#Jason has done less and less harm over the years as writers generally try to redeem him despite the classism in their portrayals.
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Oh boy. You know, I really love how you've cut some of those panels out. Here's a little more context on Oliver very clearly laying a solid chunk of what's wrong with Jason at Bruce's feet:
And you know what, you're right! No one's ever obligated to forgive everyone or anyone ever! But also guess what! You're also ignoring like... a lot of stuff actually. You think the batarang is the only thing people have an issue with.... as if it exists in a vacuum as the only thing Bruce has ever done wrong to Jason ever? Because most people aren't so much mad over a single incident as we are over it happening again and again and again.
RHATO Rebirth v2 #25
Batman and Robin uhhh Issue 6 I think? Going off the omnibus, sorry
Batman #138* *yes I'm aware that Bruce is being influenced by "Zur-En-Arr" in this, but honestly? I've always felt that this & the Batman & Robin one were some of the more in-character examples of Bruce's flaws manifesting in abusive ways
Or maybe some of these are too recent. Let's talk my personal favorite little beef that I like to contrast with Ollie:
Batman #424-425 The Diplomat's Son & Consequences
Ollie, on the other hand, when his charge commits a murder that Ollie thought could be prevented:
Now there's something to be said for how the writers for these stories had very different opinions of the sidekicks that were responsible, Starlin, for example, fucking hated Jason (Well, Robin in general) and wanted him dead, and it's deliberately set up to be a question of whether or not Jason actually did. Regardless, Bruce pretty cleanly absolves himself of any wrongdoing in his upbringing of Jason, whereas Ollie takes responsibility for Mia being in the position that she even could/would make that kind of call. And at this point, Oliver had Mia with him for a lot less time than Bruce had had Jason.
If it was Just the batarang, then, frankly, I think it's be a lot less controversial. This isn't even everything OR the worst panels from those incidents!!! I'm just cherrypicking, just like you were. And you know what, let me add this:
According to Bruce, Ollie's a pretty forgiving guy, it looks like. And if we're taking more Rebirth into account, Oliver was pretty chill about Cheshire hanging out with his family, and she's definitely caused her fair share of problems for the family and world at large on scales Jason has yet to even touch*, regardless of if she's Lian's mom. *some of Jade's crimes are dubiously canon, but with the reality mashing from Convergence in a way all of it is.
Ollie is a lot of hot air. I love the man, and he'll rip anyone and everyone a new one at the drop of a hat for any godsdamned reason. Pretty sure he's called Bruce and Barry and Hal all fascists before, so he has no hesitation in saying the absolute worst about people while... still having a relatively decent relationship with them in the long run, actually. Hal even used to be a villain for a while and Oliver was forced to kill him and now they're buds again. An alternate version of Hal that is STILL that villain continues to torment Oliver and his family.
Would Jason need to actually work to earn forgiveness from the Arrows? Probably. But he's still friends with Roy now (yes, CURRENTLY. AS HE HAS BEEN FOR OVER A DECADE he hasn't even been features in much w/ Roy lately but it has been REFERENCED), and even if it was small that olive branch of helping Roy and Lian reunite (and their general friendship, actually) isn't something that Ollie would just brush off, just as he wouldn't just brush off the events of Seeing Red.
But, in the grand scheme of things, kidnapping her, sending him on a wild goose chase across town, "having a talk" (mia's words) then letting her leave unharmed, and blowing up a building behind her is honestly small potatoes in comparison to the Repeated incidents of textbook abusive relationships that goes on between Bruce and Jason. (And I cannot overemphasize how little Mia was injured by this incident.)
Of course Olie was talking shit about Jason in the interim, Red Hood is incredibly dangerous, and he's scared for her safety. You can SEE how stumped he is by her coming out of this completely unharmed. Plus! This is hot on the heels of her return after the Dr Light Incident, and Ollie has every right to be scared out of his fucking mind.
But when it comes down to it, Mia Was Not Harmed. I will not stop saying that. Because in the world of villains and superheroes and red Hood doing significantly worse shit to other characters, this is NOTHING. Even actually within Arrow comics???? This WAS NOTHING.
And oh my god "He did the same thing Joker did" okay so where do I start with this
a) that was the point, obviously.
b) he didn't, actually.
c) that was the worst description of both incidents I've ever read in my entire life. Joker didn't "take a kid from his father and torture him and make him doubt his place in his family" unless you're talking about the fucking Arkham 'verse!
c2) actually let's break down that description: "took a kid from their father figure" Joker didn't take Jason, he was sold out by his mom. "Beat them up" understatement, but go off. "Tortured them mentally about their place in their family" not really. Joker just beat him nearly to death laughing for the most part, Jason's doubts about it came after he came back to life and saw news that Joker was still alive.
d) hmmm I wonder who said it was just Jason messing with Bruce...
Hm. Yeah. Bruce is definitely the most reliable source for Jason's intentions. I mean, was it generally to spite Bruce? Probably, yeah. But Jason's very good at multitasking and layering his intentions.
e) once again, Mia was not harmed. Jason spent most of their sparring match on the defensive, And only hit Her, physically, like, four times? and all of them in retaliation to her getting in close and hitting him first*? (And, trust me, if Jason can pull the hypercompetent bullshit that is "Seemingly shooting wildly but managing to hit nothing but THE STRING OF MIA'S BOW while also accounting for how she'd dodge" he could do sooooo much worse.) Notably, he briefly had her pinned to the floor with his hands around her throat... and then let up just after he held it long enough to make his point *Note: this is not a justification, she had every reason to fight back with everything she had and what Jason does is very fucked up on like...a normalscale. But it's worth noting he was Very Visibly and outright explicitly "teaching" her throughout it and it's soooo much less than any other villain has done to her.
This doesn't read to me "Making her doubt her place in her family" so much as "Emphasizing their similarities" this is the kind of speech the villain gives when he's trying to recruit the hero. (something which, hilariously, he mocked the idea of in UTH) But you know, all interpretations of canon are valid, although...
Funny enough, this also is very much not what Joker Did, actually. I mean, I don't recall Joker letting Jason have ANY agency at all, really. Just started breaking bones.
Now, I didn't post all of them because if I kept going it'd just be the whole comic, but yeah he does very much air out his daddy issues and compare them to her relationship with Ollie. It's clear that while he does know a lot about Mia... he also doesn't know much about Ollie. At least, not personality wise. Not how much genuinely better he is at this whole parenting gig.
This is so, so much easier to forgive, conceptually, than everything that goes on in the Batfam both from and to Jason and from and to OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BATFAM without involving Jason at all!!! (Birthdays, amirite?)
And, honestly, I'm probably seeing a lot of the posts that you are, and the ones making the Jason & Ollie bonding posts? Aren't really the same ones going on about the Batarang Incident. We've moved on to the rest of the, gestures above, Patterns of Abuse. If we discuss anything past post-crisis at all. (Speaking of post crisis, I actually remember Jason doing a pretty big solid for one of Oliver's close friends... hmmmmmm. Oh, yeah, he helped out when Black Lightning was framed for murder by Slade so good that even HE thought he did it! Granted, that was pre-Mia. So he's not going to stop being wary, but it's not like Jason hasn't done good things that affected people close to Ollie either.)
And if Jason's emotions aren't an excuse, than, well, Bruce's aren't really an excuse either, are they?
Jason's not even the only one who gets abusive treatment from Bruce. And regardless of your personal interpretations of whether or not it's a valid Batman characterization, after multiple writers have written this kind of thing across multiple continuities, there comes a point when you have to accept that this is a genuine flaw that Bruce carries and find a way to reconcile it with everything else.
And if we're going off of canon-gospel, Jason's own behavior has steadily trended towards more and more fangless, more palatable, in a way that given exposure Oliver would probably tolerate, considering all the others that he tends to tolerate. He still seems to regard the Batclan in general as a dumpster fire, "None of my kids would take a shot at me" he says, completely correct, while Batman's kids wouldn't even hesitate. He rolled up with unsolicited advice about Batman's relationships multiple times, all correct, and gotten shot down or ignored as if his significantly fewer incidents of being a shitty parent that he's very self-aware about somehow make him unqualified to speak at all!
Sometimes the reason that people are writing this, is because they like Ollie more than Bruce, because he knows how to actually apologize and actually do better. And trying to ignore canon in favor of making "good dad" Bruce stories, can wear you down when you just keep seeing Bruce depicted worse and worse and worse, and so maybe you want to start seeing the people trapped in Bruce's vortex move away from that.
And among those in that vortex, Jason has it the worst. Like, this isn't a competition. Some of the shitty stuff that Bruce does to him could be argued to be just responses to what he does himself (victim-blamey, but you know what let's pretend it makes things okay) like uth, or RHATOv2#25 But... Batman & Robin? "Oh Bruce was upset about Damian."
What was it you said? Oh, that's right: "Your feelings being valid don't excuse the harm you do, guys."
Gotham War? I'm sure you'll make excuses for Bruce there. I mean, maybe implementing it was Zur, but, frankly, that "Failsafe"? That has "Bruce genuinely thought this" written all over it. Hypocrite. Considering what his response was to the last time someone messed with his mind.
Oliver... kind of is the canon version of fanon's "good dad Bruce" tbh. And sometimes people make that connection, see those parallels, and want to play with that. It's just a what if.
You know that thing about tragedies about how if anything happened any differently it could have been prevented, that someone could have been saved? Ollie fucks up, but, fundamentally, if Ollie had been in Bruce's position, he would have saved Jason, not by doing the impossible of making it there in time, but by putting Jason first and having healthy communication lmao. Because Bruce very explicitly didn't! He didn't want to talk about it because he was scared of the truth! Or, he was scared of what he believed to be the truth, which would be that Jason had killed. And that it wasn't Bruce's fault. Because it's never Bruce's fault if he failed to raise Jason in that way that took that instinct out. It's not his responsibility to have realized, as the adult in the situation, that Jason maybe shouldn't have been exposed to so much rape and murder at an impressionable age. It's not his responsibility to keep better track of his barely teenaged son who's going through severe trauma right in front of him because they failed to enact justice on someone.
And Bruce had a lot to say about what he thought about Jason that varied and, honestly, rang more as projecting his own issues onto Jason than matching up what was actually happening on the page. Better meta-writers than I have discussed how rarely we get Jason's POV in these situations, that we're TOLD a lot about Jason by everyone else who has an agenda to frame Jason in a certain way.
If you hate Jason Todd, or hate jayroy, then block the damn tags & add it to a content filter bcs generally the latter is always marked. if it's someone on your dash reblogging them and it's not tagged/hiding it then ask them to tag it so you can filter it or stop following them idc. Don't pretend your cherry picking of canon and willful out-of-context misinterpretations is any better than anyone else's.
I have seen many posts and fanfics who are going "Oliver works with Jason to annoy Bruce!", "Oliver protecting Jason from Bruce!", "Oliver deciding to annoy Bruce by being like a father figure to Jason!", "Oliver being so happy for Roy and Jason being together!", and etc, but in canon, Oliver HATES his guts.
Here is a compilation of Oliver thinking or talking about Jason from Seeing Red, which is the first Red Hood's story after Under The Red Hood, and the one time Oliver and Jason interracted in canon (if I'm not mistaken, they never did since):
For the last one, he is talking to Bruce and Jason is one of the "every damned manner of sociopathic fruit fly".
And like, Oliver and the Arrowfam are 100% justified in their dislike or hate. He literally pulled the same shit Joker did on them: took a teenager away from her father figure, beat her up, torture her mentally about her place in her new family and her usefulness, make her and her guardian think he was going to kill her, explode the building she was in in front of her father figure to make him believe he was too late... And all of that to get to Batman. He doesn't give a shit about Oliver or Mia, it's about Batman, it's about Bruce. Just like when the Joker killed him, it wasn't about him, it was about Batman.
And it doesn't matter that Jason changed, because others aren't obligated to forgive someone because they redeemed themselves. I do not believe that Oliver is fine with Jason, he is probably not very happy he hangs around Roy, and does NOT want him near Mia ever again, and certainly not his granddaughter, Liam. That's the man that kidnapped his daughter because he was mad at his own father, nope. He knows how it is to be annoyed with the Bat, and it doesn't justify this.
I can hear y'all seeing disregarding canon is fine, and yes, sure. But also, folks, you are such hypocrites if you want to keep in that Bruce threw a batarang at Jason's neck, and erase how it was an accident ("Batman doesn't make mistakes!" Firstly, he does, canonically, make huge mistakes sometimes. Secondly, the man was an emotional wreck, his son had come back to life and had been killing people and his other son, Dick, was maybe dead because his city just exploded. He is human, not a machine! Thirdly, it is simply fucking stupid for a character who is against killing to willingly inflict such a mortal wound.), but Jason being a huge asshole to others is either erased or excusable (your feelings being valid don't excuse the harm you do, guys). Talk about favoritism.
#dc#sidenote seeing red was written by winick just as UTH was and it's worth noting he is kind of ableist#for all that there's a lot of good stuff he writes he does so love to throw around terms like sociopath or psychosis like it's candy#tbh if Oliver knew half the Shit that Bruce does to Jason he would turn to bitch Bruce out again because how can you think that's helping#Even WITHOUT LIKING JASON he would call Bruce out because as I posted he VERY MUCH DID DO THAT. MULTIPLE TIMES.#also most of the ollie being a good dad to Jason posts going around right now are from someone who hasn't read RHATO and hates it#in fact a majority of jayroys you see fucking hate RHATO and have their own version of it in attempt to reconcile conflicting canon#But everyone just really wants to feel morally superior yeah?#I actually also very much love Bruce and it's very painful to me to see canon make him so cruel & abusive. over and over and over again.#Sometimes it's exhausting to try and reconcile all of that.#You stop making excuses.#Jason has done less and less harm over the years as writers generally try to redeem him despite the classism in their portrayals.#Bruce? has only gone on to do more and more harm to the people close to him with more and more in universe justifications.#And parental abuse is a lot more of a Real Issue that people relate to. That canon has accidentally made incredibly realistic portrayals of#Despite the fantastical proportions of some of it. And yet he's still a good man.#But no matter what Jason does to improve himself and be better he's still just the fuck up and wrong huh?#Sure there's no real reason for any of that.#At the end of the day Oliver's line with Jason would be whether or not Mia has the capacity to forgive and tolerate him.#And she would give Jason no end of shit but ALSO she values Roy & his opinions very highly#and you don't have to ship them for her to look at their CANON FRIENDSHIP and think “well. If you see something in him then sure.”#“But if he tries anything I'm taking the shot” and Jason would respect that.#Mia cares so little she ain't even kicked Jason in the balls like Tim did#I always hate using Jade for this bcs I DC hates asian women but she did like nuke a whole fucking country.#which made no sense on a number of fronts but that's not the point. If we only accepted which comics “made sense” we wouldn't read comics#Jade nguyen I'm so sorry bbg but I'm makign a point even if I hate to do it.
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Batman AU Idea - Ghosts
I’ve always been a sucker for supernatural-element AUs in otherwise (near-) magic-less settings, and Batman generally leans hard on the (COMIC) SCIENCE end of the science/magic spectrum, so naturally I’m always on the hunt for Batman AUs with magic stuff happening. The worldbuilding that some authors put into a Gotham where immortal beings are just part of life is amazing.
But there’s so many vampire AUs. Don’t get me wrong - I love them, and I love their writers. But I just want more variety sometimes.
Ghosts
(Shout-out to my favorite Ghost-Batman fic where all of the batkids (Pre-Flashpoint) are ghosts with human-Bruce-dad. And Lost Boys Fly by hauntedlittledoll, it’s completed and just really well done.)
Imagine a Gotham where the laws of reality are just a bit thinner than usual - where magic and the supernatural bleed into everyday life due to a combination of natural geography and concentrated human misery. On top of all the mundane evils of the world, Gotham deals with demons and satanic cults and the like.
Also, ghosts. Lots and lots of ghosts. Usually victims of murders or suicides. Ghosts aren’t super common even in Gotham, but they’re near unheard of outside the city (in America, at least - I doubt Gotham is truly unique in this AU).
Most ghosts are short-lived echoes that disappear within a day or two. Some linger for longer - weeks, months, years, even decades by some accounts. The amount of time a ghost remains is directly proportional to how self-aware and powerful (read: dangerous) they are.
And in modern Gotham, there’s an urban legend that at least one ghost has been stalking the city’s streets for centuries.
Miscellaneous world building:
The Manor was gifted to the Pennyworths rather than the Kanes when the Waynes died, which means Alfred owns the estate in modern-day. He had no idea that his dad left him a house frequented by (a) ghost(s), but he’s grown very (disturbingly) used to the company.
People that like Kate Kane: she exists in this AU! Just because the Waynes died out ages ago doesn’t mean the Kanes aren’t still around. In fact, Gotham probably relies on Kane Enterprises instead of Wayne Industries. (But Kate keeps her personal background and has a working relationship with her “cousin”)
One of Bruce’s self-appointed jobs is to help other ghosts move on as fast as possible and to deal with the already-crazy ones. This involves a lot of reaching out to surviving family members and haunting the shit out of a lot of murderers.
Also a lot of haunting the GCPD and its detectives’ homes. (Gordon did not sign up for this shit, he should have just stayed in Chicago where all the dead people stay dead.
At least half of the Batkids are ghosts that refused to move on even after meeting Bruce. The other half are vigilantes he insists on haunting watching over.
Dick died in the same fall as his parents. (Age 12)
Barbara is alive and dealing with these dead assholes for some reason.
Jason died on the streets of exposure. (Age tbd, either 10 or 14-15)
Tim, Stephanie and Cass I’m undecided on (though Stephanie would have died of torture at Age 16 and Tim would have died of something no immediately visible that still left his shirt soaked in blood, Age tbd)
I have no idea how to write Damian into this AU, haha oops
Bruce is quite possibly the oldest-known sane ghost. No one know why he’s the exception to the general crazy-in-a-year rule - people that know him assume he’s just too stubborn to go off the deep-end
The other dead batkids end up the next-oldest ghosts - the stubbornness is contagious?
This universe’s Ra’s would probably be interested to know what makes Bruce tick
Yes, the ghosts look the age they died at, though they can change their appearances with some will and imagination
If they’re particularly stressed or not paying attention, they look exactly the way they died - fatal wounds included
For obvious reasons (cough Bruce’s eternal eight-year-old babyface cough), they almost never show their faces. Dick in particular is fond of the disembodied voice trick when he wants to make his presence known.
Ghost powers! The older the ghost, the more they can do. Powers may include moving objects nearby and at a distance, moving through walls, disappearing and reappearing anywhere within one’s preferred haunts, localized illusions (more like hallucinations really), manipulation of emotions, manipulation of temperature (mainly making things colder), fucking with electromagnetic equipment and possession.
Possession is the hardest, and Jason tends to use it most often; Bruce almost never uses it
Weaknesses are the old favorites: salt, iron and holy ground.
Note: the salt must be unrefined with no additives; common table salt only works on younger ghosts. Iron doesn’t stop teleportation and only works if you swing directly at a ghost’s projected form. And desecrated holy ground (made by harming an innocent on former holy ground) is fair game.
Crucifixes do absolutely nothing! Nor does holy water! Getting your local priest to bless some salt doesn’t help either. (Gotham criminals still try all of these, though)
When Bruce joins the Justice League, Hal refuses to believe it and mocks the fuck out of “Casper” in that first meeting. He then spends the next month haunted by his “coworker.” And thus begins a beautiful friendship!
#batman#batman au#au#ghost au#batfam#bruce wayne#cameos by#kate kane#hal jordan#making AUs is fun#did I mention how this is basically the dead children au#none of the main ghost cast are adults#fun!#I forgot to finish Tim's death smh at myself
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Survey #54
“girls are not supposed to fight dirty, never look a day past 30.”
have you ever witnessed a birth? for humans, no, but cats, yes. do you buy eggnog around the holidays? this was the first year i tried it. fucking gross. do you know any one who lives in california? no friends, but i mean i've "met" some people online who live there. have you ever been told you were a good writer? that's one of the most common compliments i get. have you ever been on a farm? yes. ashley had a friend who lived at one. what are you listening to? "girls" by marina and the diamonds. i love her voice so much. are you one to take naps? every day, yeah. makes me feel lazy occasionally, but then i remind myself naps are good for you. did you ever have braces? for too long, yes. i had them so long that my bottom teeth went in too far; we couldn't afford to take them out. thank god they're gone now. how often do you drink monster? never. i don't like it. are you easy to get along with? if you're understanding, then i honestly think i am. i'm very tolerant of different people and try to keep my mind open. i'm just going to be quiet. is there someone you want to let go of? yes and no. i feel both emotions towards jason. who was the last person to have to deal with you having an attitude? my mother, i'm sure. have you ever suspected anyone of cheating on you? nope. does your bedroom door lock? yeah. the last time you washed your hair, did you use conditioner? i never use conditioner. it adds oil back into your hair. has your partner ever accused you of cheating when you actually didn’t? no. how old were you when you had your first kiss? the first time a boy kissed me, i think i was 15? first time i kissed a boy, i was 16, i think. if I handed you a concert ticket right now, who would you want to be the performer? metallica, please! would you ever get into a long distance relationship? i mean i guess if i really liked the person. for your birthday, what kind of cake do you ask for? doughnut cake from annie's. would you rather carve pumpkins or wrap presents? carve pumpkins! do you believe in fairies? nope. if you were given the chance to be immortal, would you take it? NO. what are you tired of people telling you? that shit will get better. you don't know that. some people don't get happy endings, that's just life. do you have a little sister? what’s her name? nicole, yes. when you graduate, what color will your gown be? when i graduated, it was an ugly red. when you were a baby, did you have a favorite blanket? yes. it had baby animals all over it. have you ever gotten detention? yes, for too many tardies. why do you hate your ex? who says i hate him? do you like the color orange? yup. whose hoodie did you wear last? my own. it has pikachu sleeping on it and says "current mood." it's super cute. do you think that you’re good enough for the one you like? if i'm being rational, yes. if i let my depression and whatnot make the decision, no. what was the last game you won? probably a replay of a "silent hill" game. what is your favorite thing about concerts? THE HYPE. the sheer excitement of everyone enjoying music is otherworldly. what is the last album you listened to all the way through? ozzy's "black rain" i think. what is an unpopular opinion that you have? abortion is murder, period. do you prefer space, nude, architecture, or nature photographs? nature what was the last concert you went to? one and only concert i've ever been to was alice cooper. describe your wallet: it's red, black, and white with multiple artworks of harley quinn. describe your tattoos: my first was a semicolon butterfly. second was "perfectly flawed" (reference to an otep song). third was "ohana" and half of a heart. describe your piercings: two in each earlobe, right tragus, left cartilage, right side of nose. what do you like most about your body? uhhhh. i am not fond of my body. i guess i like my slim wrists and long, slim fingers. how many fillings do you have? hell if i know. describe your fashion: if i had the money (and permission from my mother, as she buys my clothes, rip) i would absolutely dress gothic. it's my aesthetic, big time. gothic clothes just tend to be very expensive. i also love graphic tees, and in general tend to look geekish. do you wear a watch? nope. are you a vegetarian? no. do you think meat is murder? i mean, technically, yeah, but at the same time, i don't think it's wrong. your view on drinking: do it responsibly, and we're fine. your view on pornography: fucking gross. your view on pre-marital sex: i really don't know anymore?? i was and i guess i still am abstinent, but i question it. like the main reason i'm abstinent is because of religious reasons, but after all, half the old testament was forgiven by jesus' coming, yada yada yada, it may not even be "wrong" anymore. besides that, i just really, really love(d) jason. now i'm going to regret for the rest of my life the fact i didn't let him fully get to know me in every way possible. if he, by some god-given miracle, comes back, i'm leaving my abstinence at my feet. whether it's wrong or right. because i'll sin for that man. have you ever slept in a water bed? yeah. how do you feel about having sex during your menstrual period? i personally wouldn't. sounds messy. how do you feel about anal sex? ew. does your ex have a job? yup. share 3 nice memories you have of the person you fell hardest for. OH MY GOD, only three? i'll try to narrow it down to the best, this may take awhile. 1.) dancing in the headlights of his car in my front yard to "stairway to heaven" 2.) me storming into his kitchen to playfully tell him off, only to slide on the floor and land on my ass; we laughed/sobbed for like ten minutes 3.) us lying on his floor, binge-watching "supernatural" while he was moving into his new room, and it ended in him seeing me naked for the first time and still treating me like i was beautiful. tell me about the person you had your first kiss with. how do you feel about that person now? you want a novel, fam? how old were you when you entered your first relationship? idk the age, i just know i was in the 7th grade. are there any songs you can’t listen to because they remind you of someone/something? yup. do you have a tumblr crush? nah. have you ever found yourself worrying about commitment? no, and though i don't judge people who do worry about commitment (jason was at the beginning of our relationship when i asked him what his biggest fear was), i don't understand it. like... it's not a hard concept. don't commit, ex. get married to a person, if you see any potential issue. has anyone of the opposite sex seen you at your worst? yep. would you live with someone without marrying them first? i have before, and i'd do it again. do you believe your most recent ex still thinks about you? i honestly don't know. it'd be nice, but i don't know if he truly does. have you ever kissed someone while they were driving? jesus christ do i want to die? what would you do if your best friend went after your ex the day after you split? LMAAOOOOOO DON'T. have you ever self harmed? yup. do you have a birthmark? if so, where? actually no, i think. were your parents married when you were born? yeah. when you need to vent, who do you turn to? mom, usually. do you get a lot of tourists in the area where you live? if so, are there more tourists during a particular time of the year? i don't think i've EVER seen someone obviously a tourist here, because this part of north carolina ain't shit??? what's the strangest or most interesting compliment you've ever received? hm, not entirely sure. when you're upset, do you tend to make rash decisions? YUP. do you prefer to shop online or in an actual store, and why? online, definitely. i just tend to find more variety. do you enjoy watching vlogs? if so, are there any specific people or topics you enjoy watching in particular? yeah, they're all right. like when pokemon go came out, i particularly got interested in three vlogers of the subject (trainer tips, ali-a, and lachlan). pretty sure there are other vlogers i watch occasionally, i'm not sure... what was the last new video game you were excited about? THE LAST GUARDIAN OMG what band/singer do you listen to the most? i mean it really does depend on my mood and if i've discovered a new artist or not. what’s your favorite quote? i have SO MANY. i guess i can pick one that applies most/means most to me, though: "harleen, what did he tell you?" "he said he loved me" from suicide squad. i nearly broke down in the theater when she said that 'cuz if that ain't me like holy shit. a very simple quote, but it carries SO MUCH WEIGHT. have you ever dated someone that was a different race than you? for less than a day, if you even count him. how old is your best friend? 21. do you like writing papers for english classes? i honestly didn't mind it. give me a subject, and i can usually write, hunny. don’t edited versions of songs annoy you? they tend to, yes. if your ex suddenly kissed you right now, what would you do? without saying a word to me? i'd either a.) slap him or b.) grab his face and kiss him back. lmao i know, totally opposite ends of the spectrum, but. i really don't know which would come first. is your best friend dating anyone? she's married. do you like lady gaga or does she try too hard? as a person, she's wildly unique, which i have great respect for. as an artist, i, surprisingly, like a couple of her songs. where did you last wear a bathing suit? the beach. have you ever dressed unlike yourself to impress a guy? i've said this before in another survey: is that not prom? it's not like i'd go everyday in a big, extravagant dress. the other day as well, i didn't dress unlike myself, but i seriously did it up because i thought i'd be "running into" jason, so. if you were offered to smoke some weed right now would you accept? idk, probably not. have you ever done something outrageously dumb? sure have. have you ever changed clothes in a vehicle? yep. do you go to the mall on friday nights? no, because i don't want to get shot. do you listen to country music? only when i'm with colleen. who is your best guy friend? my only two guy friends period are really sam and girt, and i don't want to pick between them. have you ever had a boyfriend your parents didn’t like? no. do you shave your legs? yeah. i personally would feel too self-conscious revealing my legs if they weren't shaved. has a boy ever spent the night at your house? plenty of times. who was the last person to sleep over? chelsea. do you forward the chain letters in your email? absolutely not. are you on birth control? yes, but only for my period cramps. do your parents use social media? if so, which ones? my mom has a facebook. do you and your last ex hate each other? after that "yeah, no" the other day, pretty sure he hates me. there's no way in hell i could ever hate him. have you ever made out for more than a half hour straight? longer than that. do you collect anything? meerkat stuff. silent hill merchandise. band stuff. jaybird feathers. do you have any nieces or nephews? describe them. aubree is very lively, but can be shy. she loves minnie mouse and dory. ryder is just a baby, so doesn't have much of a personality, really. at least that i can detect. when was the last time you were sick? now, actually. my throat is killing me. can you handle a lot of drama? NO NO NO NO NO. when you were a kid, was there a boy/girl that you said you were going to marry? nope. i didn't even want to marry as a kid. have you ever had a significant other with a mental disorder? not to my knowledge. i mean jason had low self-esteem, but he was not mentally ill. are flea markets trashy? in general, no. any store though can be trashy. but generally, no, they're great. you can find great deals. when you get nervous, does it show physically (i.e shaky hands)? yes. i sweat, i quiver, i play with my hands... tell me one unique quality about your own handwriting. it's a mix of cursive and print. when was the last time you were pissed beyond belief and why? when colleen implied i wasn't trying hard enough in regards to my depression, anxiety, etc. i nearly walked out her door. what qualities of yours do you think could potentially harm a relationship? well i mean apparently being mentally ill is a fucking issue. like i can help it. what sort of conditions do you require in order for you to fall asleep? have the fan on (usually), have the television on but on silent. do you have a favorite punk band? green day for sure. as far as relationships go, what are your biggest deal-breakers? having kids already, doing drugs, drinking excessively... i've got a number. what’s your favorite mythical being? dragons if you’re a girl, what’s your bra size? d-something will you go to your senior prom? i already did. do you make fun of people who play magic: the gathering or yu-gi-oh! cards? i've never understood this shit, like, why ridicule someone for enjoying cards? are we as humans truly that petty? besides that, magic is like jason's biggest passion, so i'd be making fun of him if i had an issue with it. he got me to play it occasionally, too, and it's kinda fun. just damn, this question's got me irritated. who the fuck has a problem with cards. got a lot of deep, depressing poetry and artwork stashed? don't find my dA pls ever attempted suicide or self-mutilated yourself? yeah. what’s the last movie you rented? "blaire witch" has anyone ever hacked your accounts before? i allowed my former best friend megan to hack my old youtube once and she allowed me to hack hers so we could put one of those lovey-dubby letters on each other's pages, ha. have i ever been seriously hacked, no. what was the last thing you ordered online? a shirt and flip-flops from hottopic where did your last kiss take place? at my house, odds are, from jason dropping me off. do you reveal a lot about yourself online? are you careful about not revealing too much? would you say you reveal more about yourself than others seem to do? i do, and i mean i'm cautious with some things, like i won't share my last name, address, stuff like that. i'd say i reveal just about as much as the other survey takers i read. if you're interested in fashion, what inspires your style most? do you look to celebrities or other famous people for inspiration? i'm not interested in fashion at all. i don't care what's "in" and whatnot, i just wear either what is comfortable or i find aesthetically pleasing. is there anything you feel pressured to do by a certain age (i.e. get married)? honestly? yeah. society and family history makes me think i should either already be married or get so within the next like five years and have kids before 30. have you ever lived in a mobile home? no. friend asks you to hide drugs, booze etc for them, do you do it? no, honestly. animal you like to watch but sort of creeps you out? i like watching large spiders. emphasis on "watching." have you ever been to an open casket wake or funeral? yup. scariest driver you’ve ridden with? my dad that one day he was really pissed off, picking nicole and i up from school. i legitimately thought i was going to die. he was running red lights, passing illegally... have you/do you plan to go to college? i am in college, but i am sincerely contemplating dropping out. things aren't going well. have you ever dated someone named kyle? no, but i had a crush on a kyle in high school. do you think greasy hair is a turn off? it's definitely not a turn on. in interest of my significant other's health, i'd want you to take a shower if your hair was greasy. your computer crashes, deletes EVERYTHING, can you survive? lmao pls don't tell me about the last time you had sex? i've never had sex, just done sexual things. it's been over a year since i've "done anything" though, so i couldn't tell you about the last time. what is your biggest mistake in life? letting my depression literally consume me to the point it made the love of my fucking life fall out of love with me. what was the last thing you drank? some strawberry fruit juice.
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