#JP and CD really had it in for Bonnie.

[herelivesahobbit]

Continuing my TVD rewatch in 2021 (bc why not maximize procrastination clowning) and like the Ian/Kat chemistry truly still JUMPS out I mean just barely one look per episode and I'm still riveted lol. Really no one else had that much chemistry on the show, not till Kat/Chris and maybe I'd say Caroline/Tyler (lol idk the actors names) did too.

And like not to scandalize my 17 year old self but yea S*lena had more chemistry and were better written than D*lena. The less i say about the latter the better but to sum up ian/kat chemistry appreciator for LIFE!!!

The originals in s2 were so amazing, peak TVD villains, they never lived up to their introductions honestly.

Still on my crackship bullshit with elejah!!!

Some director told this cast to pout as an acting technique and it's super cringe lol

Also s2 d*mon's hairstyle is ridiculously bad lmao whyyyyy these choices

[awesome-bamon]

Kat is flourishing outside of TVD. After eight seasons of being treated like crap by JP/CD and hated on by JP/CD.  And being bullied and harassed by some in the TVD Fandom.  Kat is out here making it big. So looks so happy and like she is having a great time since she has left TVD.  Alleyezonme had a big opening weekend and now she has been cast along side Forest Whitaker as her Dad and Theo James as her husband.  She is really being blessed and proving that it’s Julie Plec that has been holding her back and that’s it’s mainly DE Stans who have hated and who have downplayed her as “irrelevant”. because they needed to trash Kat in order to uplift Nina and because they hated on Kat mostly because of how much love/support that Bamon got, no matter how much DE was declared canon/endgame.  Kat/Bonnie was still able to get the spotlight.

It’s Karma where all of those racists Stans have hated on her. Acting like she was the least important out of all of the cast.  Bashing Kat for things that they would let their fave or others in the cast slide by and not have a problem with anyone in the cast besides Kat doing some things. Saying that Kat was “jealous” or Nina and “trying to take Nina’s place”.  Yet Kat is the one who has had the most success out of ALL of the cast of TVD, this black actress who her haters tried to deem as least important has had the MOST success and she deserves it.

Julie Plec was never willing to fully explore Kat’s talents as an actress and never listened to Bonnie fans when we asked for better treatment for Bonnie, while she kissed up to the DE fandom for her ego to be boosted by them. But wanted Bonnie fans to accept her being treated like second class, being a servant to the white characters and dying/suffering for the white characters and refused to put Bonnie with any of her most popular ships. Instead putting as little effort into Bonnie’s “love stories” as she could and thinking that we were suppose to love what we were given and played victim if she was called out on it.

The more that other producers/writers cast Kat outside of TVD into these roles, the bigger fools and haters JP and CD will like for holding her back and disrespecting her.  Some wanted Kat to go to TO and have a spin off, but I just want Kat to have all of the success in the world so that she will never have to work with Julie Plec again and never have to set foot on the flop network that is the CW.

Plus, I’m already shipping her character with Theo Jame’s character!

[zalrb]

In your humble opinion, would you say that KW leaving tvd after s4 is what ruined the show? I personally feel that way and if you as well, I would love to know your thoughts. I just feel like after he left, Julie wanted to create HER own fantasy on the show vs we have already been given with the character (hence how de was created). I just feel like Julie and Caroline Dries were lowkey excited he was gone.

I think that when Kevin was around he pushed back against JP’s flights of fancy to create a more cohesive show. Like for instance, in season 1, JP wanted Damon to actually kiss Elena and Kevin was like, no, it’s too soon:

I’m most proud of the cliffhanger [at the end] of season 1. I remember sitting in the room and Julie’s like, “No, Damon and Elena have to kiss. That has to be the cliffhanger. Don’t you remember Dawson’s Creek? You’ve got to do it.” And I’m like, “No, they can’t. You cannot.” We were already fighting about Elena being with Damon or Elena being with Stefan. I saw it clearly: This is season 1. This is about Stefan and Elena. Elena is not at that place yet where she would kiss him. She’s not drunk; she’s not crazy. She’s our heroine; we cannot sacrifice her character and have her make that move against Stefan. Unless —I’ll never forget that moment in the writers’ room — it’s Katherine.

which makes sense because next to the fact that Damon is Damon, Damon and Elena essentially spend no time together in season 1, it’s very minimal screentime and when they do spend time together it’s 99.9% about Stefan

so it never made sense for her to kiss him/be with him but it would especially not make sense then.

I also think that with Kevin around he pushed for heartbreaking moments that would make for compelling TV, things that Julie wouldn’t have done:

The good storylines start churning, and I just want to be surprising, all the time. I think, “If I do this, how would I earn it?,” and I have to backtrack and figure out the storyline and figure out how to do it

and in season 3 she didn’t want to kill anyone but Kevin said that she had to:

Julie and I still talk at 4 o’clock in the morning. I go, “Who are you going to kill?” I’ve let her decide this year ‘cause I killed enough people. She called me up and said, “I think we’re not going to kill anybody,” and I said, “Oh, no. No, you’ve got to kill somebody.”

without Kevin to talk about stakes, then you get things like the Other Side and body switches so that no one really has to die,

So I thought about it from the point of view of an audience member  saying you know what yes, to be a good writer, your deaths should feel  permanent, but our audience that has been watching our show faithfully  and sobbing along with us every time somebody dies, there is something  beautiful about getting to revisit them every now and then and in   Jeremy’s case, it was actually about bringing him back into Elena’s   world so that she could find herself again.”  

And when you read about what the writing room was like in the series finale, Kevin challenges JP on her ideas

And then Kevin walked into the room and he’s like, “What’s Stefan’s life going to be like?” I said, “He’s going to be happy with Caroline and uh uh… uh, I don’t know.”

He pauses, then continues, “If there was any other conversations, we ended on this one. This show was always about Stefan being the hero, and if Stefan could not have Elena, Stefan could do this very nice thing of giving his brother the chance to live with Elena.”

I’m like, “You’re right, it needs to go the other way.” It was so funny because we had thought about it in the room so much that we had talked ourselves into one path, but all we needed was him to walk in and be like, “But… isn’t it cooler the other way?” And so we switched it. He gets all the credit for that.

and I think after he left, no one did that and that’s why stakes are gone, consequences are gone, which then starts turning the show into fanfiction because it just becomes JP and CD doing whatever they want to do and making last minute changes that aren’t well thought-out because it makes no sense for what they’ve already established (like the Katherine-Elena body swap) which gets into the fact that they’re actually bad writers. Caroline Dries admitted to not knowing what an arc is:

Caroline Dries: I don’t know what the definition of arc is, but we have cool new mythologies that we’re introducing this season.

More than that, she implemented a “chapter” format that doesn’t make sense:

“We’re five seasons in – we learn a little bit every season – and last year was the season of the cure, the year before that was the moonstone and the sacrifice. When we found that we were stretching that out over 22 or 23 episodes, the mythology gets so dense and hijinks-y that the audience is like, “Wait, what?!” So we were like why don’t we break things down into chapters, a little cleaner, so we’re not having springs pop out of our ears every time we’re pitching something to the studio or the network or the audience. That’s what we’re trying to do. We wrapped up the doppelganger thing with Silas and Amara, but the travelers are still around in the ether. They still have an agenda that they haven’t carried out yet. Not to say things won’t come back that we haven’t seen. They certainly will. But it’s more about trying to make the stories have a beginning, middle and end. Have a conclusion.”

But that isn’t how a season works! It is supposed to be the season of the tomb vampires, the season of the moonstone, the season of the Originals, each season is supposed to be a chapter in the book which is the series. If you think that the mythology gets dense because you’re spending 22 episodes on one thing, you can focus episodes on the B-plots for more breathing room like season 2 was about the moonstone but it was also the introduction of werewolves and Katherine was back in town, Bonnie’s power was growing, they could’ve focused on that more if they didn’t want it get to so dense, same thing with season 3 and season 4; it’s the show’s inability to focus things on characters other than Damon and Elena and sometimes possibly Stefan that makes season not broken up into “chapters” too dense to follow because they don’t really expand to the other characters. Furthermore, when you have chapters within a season then the arcs happen too quickly and abruptly, you don’t have enough time to form attachments to the new characters or the new storyline because it’s done within 3 or 4 episodes and when you move on to the next chapter, the show doesn’t bring the effects of the previous chapter into it — for instance, in season 5 Stefan had amnesia for three episodes and then it stopped and became about him having PTSD for two episodes and then that stopped and his character went through absolutely no growth because those chapters were “over.” This season the Lily chapter ended and Damon was a dick to her on her deathbed fine that carries over to his “hell” which lasts for one episode and he admits to being sorry and wanting his mother and then it became about him burning Elena and “spiralling” so what about his revelation in the Phoenix Stone? What bearing does that have on his character? Nothing. Because that chapter is over. It’s RIDICULOUS. Everything within a season should connect seamlessly, which should add to the world you’ve created in the series because that’s what a television show IS. You need direction and you need the flexibility to move shit around, it’s a balance that the show is severely lacking.

Which just means that the show went downhill fast.

[zalrb]

That episode where Bonnie and Damon are by the porch and Damon is saying awful things to her and bringing Elena and Delena into it was so disgusting. It doesn't matter if he's trying to "rescue" her by waking up and even if by the end of the episode he compliments her and loves her they still make him say like elena loved you which again was ridiculous. Julie Plec and these writers are so pathetic. Like couldn't they think of something else to bring Bonnie back instead of humiliating her again

“That episode where Bonnie and Damon are by the porch and Damon is saying awful things to her and bringing Elena and Delena into it was so disgusting. It doesn't matter if he's trying to "rescue" her by waking up and even if by the end of the episode he compliments her and loves her they still make him say like elena loved you which again was ridiculous. Julie Plec and these writers are so pathetic. Like couldn't they think of something else to bring Bonnie back instead of humiliating her againto prop Elena/DE, it was completely unnecesary. And if they did that but they didn't do it to Caroline even if it's showed Stefan could do same thing and say same stuff that Damon said. Awful writers + fanservice propping and putting down to Bonnie smh.”

The issue I have with that again is the lack of reciprocity. Like I love complicated relationships so if Bonnie and Damon’s relationship had a foundation that was  genuine affection mixed with resentment mixed with guilt and shame and protectiveness and loyalty that could actually be really interesting and on the level of HTGAWM dynamics but Bamon isn’t that complicated or nuanced because it’s only ever about Damon’s resentment, Damon’s spite and anger and Bonnie is just there to take it. Even in that episode or the episode after it/before, Bonnie says how she knows that Damon actually does resent her and hate her a little for Elena being in a coma while she’s alive, in 7x01 she says “either love me or resent me but you’re stuck with me” as if Bonnie doesn’t have her own resentment and hatred of Damon considering all the shit he’s put her through, all the shit she’s gone through for him, like it has to be reciprocal and while nothing involving Damon is ever reciprocal that is especially true for Bonnie because the show just wants her to be his sounding board, his punching bag (both literal and emotional), she’s just there FOR Damon and the way CD and JP talk about it, it’s as if Bonnie should be grateful for being his stepping stool. 

[zalrb]

"but you don't need to run down a healthy relationship" LMAO...how is Bonenzo a healthy relationship? Just because as you've pointed out that some Bonnie fans will take the scraps that JP stingy hands hands out doesn't mean we are running down this ship. CD/JP admitted that they needed to give MM something to do so they shoved him on Bonnie's character without thought or care for her/their story. Enzo was also suppose to be a substitute for Damon for the BD shippers. (Not a BD fan btw) --> more

“"but you don’t need to run down a healthy relationship” LMAO…how is Bonenzo a healthy relationship? Just because as you’ve pointed out that some Bonnie fans will take the scraps that JP stingy hands hands out doesn’t mean we are running down this ship. CD/JP admitted that they needed to give MM something to do so they shoved him on Bonnie’s character without thought or care for her/their story. Enzo was also suppose to be a substitute for Damon for the BD shippers. (Not a BD fan btw) I know I’m reiterating everything you said but obv it needs to be said again for this anon. Instead of spending s6 on developing the BE story they have Enzo be in love with Lily for most of s7 while Bonnie is flirting with him and he makes wise cracks about her love life. Then he threatens her, bashes her head in and feeds her poisonous pills-they fall in love after three years of her being isolated with just him where we get a few flash backs in ONE episode, dialog in s8 but true love???“

Well that’s the thing. Bonnie and Enzo weren’t enough of a couple to be a healthy one. They didn’t do anything! And the show made it absolutely clear that Enzo fell for Bonnie because she was what was left. He pined for Lily for two seasons and then she dies and Matt reiterates how no one wants him and everyone leaves him then Enzo and Bonnie have to be secluded in a cabin for three years for him to fall for her? That is legit disrespectful. And then they are together and … what? What did they do? Julie knew Bonnie fans wanted to hear someone tell Bonnie she was beautiful and the love of his life so she just fed Enzo those words and Michael’s delivery was so flat but there was no time and care put into their relationship for the monotonous dialogue to mean anything. Bonnie risking her life for him? WHY. Bonnie dying for Jeremy pissed me the fuck off but at least their relationship was earned in season 2 and they were finding their way back to each other in season 4. And as everyone should know I detest Bamon but you are right BE really felt like a poor man’s BD and it bothered me so much because it just served to remind me that Somergraham had better chemistry because they would outshine BE and I hated BD so I was frustrated that BE did that. Like it was just such a sloppily constructed ship.