#It’s mostly just a phenomenon on twt though

[ironunderstands]

Ngl 90% of hsr discourse could be solved if people just accept that they don’t like particular characters/things and move on rather than everyone shitting on each other for the crime of enjoying something they dont like

Like oh wow you think X character is mid and people making content about them are just desperately trying to make them interesting? do you want a cookie? A prize? Literally who the fuck cares just scroll 😭

Some of yall have so little to say about your favs that you attack other people for actually making content about their own preferences because forming a coherent thought is harder than going “you guys will gag at anything”

So many bitches complaining and barely anyone actually creating god this community is doomed

Also if the person bitching is a fan of an unpopular character I’m sorry but that makes me happy because yeah fuck you I’m glad you have nothing in terms of fan content if this is how you treat it

[lilyrealm]

being part of a few hermione fanfic groups on fb has been quite enlightening bc i get to see the kind of ships and dynamics that primarily cishet older women hp fans like. especially since i get to contrast it with, say, tomarry and drarry fans (mostly on twt, but some on tumblr too) and most interesting of all, cn fans. which, granted, are also mostly tomarry and drarry because, well, i also ship them so thats the kinda content im seeking out yk.

so whats interesting about it? well, to start with, i am putting this under the cut because holy shit my ass can YAPPPPP and no one actually gives a fuck but i wanna get it out even if no one reads it! Also an ever important DISCLAIMER that this is my personal opinion and is highly subject to bias and only seeing a certain sphere of people and i dont know what im talking about so please dont @ me im stupid.

as i said, theyre older (many married or with kids! they even sometimes talk to their husbands about said fics, which is... sweet), and... probably mostly het. so i would say (though i have no stats) the rough popularity of hermiones partners (in those groups specifically) are draco >>> sirius > snape, tom > rarer pairs like lucius theo dolohov viktor cedric >>> harry > ron and femslash (i will come back to this). maybe i could compare with ao3 stats later to see how well i pegged it but for now im mostly just going off popularity of certain posts and how often i see "please share fic recs of X ship")

i feel like millenial/younger hp fans would balk at the idea of sirius, snape, lucius, and dolohov, but i do think this can be chalked up to them being older and thus more interested in "adult" characters. and rarely do they talk about fics set in canon timelines, more often i see recs with time travel (which effectively solves many of the age gap problems), or otherwise set in the future, where age gap becomes less remarkable as theyre adults. marriage law or pregnancy are also common tropes...

i did wonder for a while if this was a yume/selfship phenomenon and that perhaps older western women just didnt know or use that term? after all, hermione is the most prominent female character in hp, and obviously can be very relatable since, like the reader, she is from the muggle world discovering the magical world, and a bookworm, which has a 70% chance of being true if you are a girl reading a book i think. so i was like, ah, shes can be kind of a good way to self insert into the hp universe or at least a good way find a vast amount of ship fic since shes so popular.

however i dont think this is the case—im not 100% sure of course, i asked one (1) time but it appears most of them are genuinely invested in hermione as a character and arent using her as a self insert board. not that either is bad or worse, im not passing judgement!!! though i do think it makes sense, since, from my view, the self insert phenomenon is often seen in younger fans who are less secure in their self image and want their fav to reassure them without fear of rejection soooo yk (and what does that say abt me who has a yume harem? well youre not my therapist so we dont have to talk about it)

aaaaanyway. this fucking long ass post is mostly just because i remember getting culture shock'd twice while looking thru cn comments. for example, i was surprised to see romione viewed so positively, because holy shit do those hermione fic fans fucking hate romione. and harmony next, but it isnt as bad as romione. any post asking for fic recs inevitably ends in "no romione", but cn fans think theyre kinda cute.

i have some theories. for one, they think ron is extremely unromantic. this is exacerbated by the yule ball incident, but in all honesty at no point in the books does ron really do anything romantic for hermione and in fact treats her pretty badly. the kiss at the end was, in my personal opinion, a bit random, but i dont think its an unpopular view that what ron does doesnt make up for the past years especially since the very cause he is advocating for (the house-elves) is one he has disparaged before.

of course you can argue the same for all of the other candidates, that they dont do anything romantic for her either, but i think there is a difference, because for all those candidates they dont have a "chance" in canon to pursue her (save viktor) because theyre not viewing each other as potential partners, but ron is in that position and goes about it pretty badly. for everyone else, writers can make up whatever they want! for ron, well, you have to work with (or against) what canon gave you.

next, i think a lot of them really like when hermiones prowess is appreciated. a lot of fic recs have her being quite badass or kind of holding things together (to be fair, she does this for the trio a lot) and her partner usually acknowledges her power while being on an equal or better level. so i guess that turns a lot of them off romione since he spends a lot of time in canon brushing her off while using her brains etc... being praised hits different when its a dunderhead who needs ur help vs someone just as brilliant ykyk. its not looking good.

side note on harmony: i think this suffers from a similar phenomenon in that canon gives us their friendship tgt and people have already seen that together, sparks dont fly. ofc people can make up whatever they want but when one char canonically says "i see her as a sister" you kind of have to overwrite that in your head and not everyone is willing to do that.

Sorry wtf was i talking about. uh. cn. right. so why doesnt cn have this problem? well for one i think they may be younger than this western group, which makes sense since the series is originally english so it hit foreign audiences a bit later. that and i wonder how many cn fans actually read the books vs the movies (which dilutes the aforementioned problems a lot)? the movies are def more accessible for non english fans i think. but yea i think those women, being older, are more no-nonsense and less fairytale daydream-y about their potential partner. thinking more realistically about who theyd settle down with versus younger fans who are like its fine if theyre hes silly and stupid theyre young. btw this also applies to jily which i see cn (and jp. all this applies to jp for similar non english reasons) post about more frequently; whereas in english sphere i FEEL LIKE (i must again emphasise this is all subject to bias) of the marauders i mostly only see wolfstar discussion. dgmw theres plenty of wolfstar in cn spheres!! i just also see jily where i dont in en)

And of course you can throw everything i said out the window because its not like i have a particularly extensive or wide range of sample data. very little actually. i just. noticed stuff. and was surprised. and want to TALK. Arugh

[tonyglowheart]

for the most part, I do think the way ppl approach “ownvoices” as a concept where it becomes more about policing demographics - or perceived demographics - is unproductive or even counterproductive. But on the other hand, I do think it’s valuable to consider the writer’s demographic, but more in a sort of like... one facet of sociocultural/historical consideration?

bc there’s that one person who is writing a “xianxia-ish danmei-ish” webnovel that they advertise on twitter, and I come across smatterings of these kinds of things on AO3 (tho I find I have a lower standard for AO3-hosted works than like, someone hosting on their own site & advertising to EN audiences), and at least with the “xianxia-ish danmei-ish” novel, it. well, reads a lot like they’re trying to pastiche translated webnovel, except then a lot of the quirks are more quirks of translation than of a “danmei” genre style, imo. So. It was... interesting. And also they had some part about a character having their hair tied up (either in a bun or a ponytail) and then getting hopelessly knotted when it got wet, which I thought was odd bc it wasn’t my own experience with hair lmao. So that led me to trying to dig further into it bc I was already like, “why are you calling it a xianxia-ish danmei-ish novel” (except that’s not a tell for anything, bc Xiran as a counterexample notably ONLY promotes her work with these kinds of buzzwords. LIke to this day I still have no idea what her debut(?) novel is about bc all she ever says about it is that it’s Pac Rim meets Handmaid’s Tale but Wu Zetian and Chinese myth and poly. Like. that’s not a book blurb, that’s a marketing-a-”foreign” work diversity points buzzword salad.) anyway the webnovelist did say on their twt at some point they were white and I was like, ah, interesting. Also they had some twt about them looking at the readership/site visitor demographic for their site and they were saying how ppl in Asia/SE Asia overwhelmingly are not interested in their work, and I was like. Hm. What a Wild Thought. (lmao)

my point here isn’t that they SHOULDN’T write their xianxia-ish danmei-ish webnovel. But. I don’t know, maybe I hope that they can... be a bit more cognizant of the genre and its history & also the like... pathways of transmission/translation? Because I do think there are ways to write “danmei-like” works originally in English, but at the same time I do think being unaware that what you’re pastiching is translation quirks is... well, unfortunate. You probably are speaking to the same audience still - of English-readers who are reading translated danmei. But I think the implications for it are rather unfortunate, and you lose, like, the beauty of both the Chinese language and English language when you’re trying to recreate something which is essentially an artifact of transmission as opposed to artifacts of either the original language or the target language (now become original language). I do think this arising as a phenomenon IS interesting, though, and speaks to something. And I’m not saying that this hybridity can’t create something interesting, the like bridging of Chinese and English. But that when it comes from someone who doesn’t seem to have the genre-origin contextual understanding and doesn’t seem to understand or have examined WHY exactly the translations of works they read are constructed the way they are (translation quirks and the difficulty in bridging gaps of language/vocabulary availability as well as cultural implications/values/history which inflects and influences language & meaning), to my mind it really just... mostly creates something clumsy. Well-meaning, I’m sure! But... perhaps a bit more sinaboo than actually “culturally appreciative.”

[dmumt]

omg about that tik tok and body image post...there's something that's been on my mind lately, especially because of many teens and pre-teens on twitter. it's about how perhaps part of the reason kpop girls have become such a phenomenon, especially certain ones i rather not name, internationally and especially with youth is because their petite frames fit the skinny body image ideal to a t. i don't mean to claim these girls aren't talented, hardworking, and so on - they're of course fantastic - but i think part of the idol worship for k-girls comes from the fact that they represent a kind of body type that is so sought after that people attach and obsess over them. many young and impressionable girls who aren't even east asian idealize east asian features as the absolute body type (which is a whole other discourse) and mentally beat themselves up when they may not look exactly like their idols. these idols, themselves, literally have whole teams helping them diet, exercise, and take care of their skin. these teams beautify them with all kinds of make-up - not only for their faces but also other body parts, like legs - and dress them up in designer clothes that are tailored to make their features seem more appealing. these teams even place them in hip pads or push ups bras to get the skinny and curvy look that's hard to achieve but easy to sell to masses. and little girls see this and it definitely affects their own self images. it's kind of concerning how many k-girls are used as thinspo or the ideal standard in ed communities. i'm not faulting the idols themselves of course, they're just doing their jobs, but the way they're marketed contributes to skinny body type ideal so much, especially with kpop's growing international appeal. in fact, even with non kpop idols, or non east asian celebrities, it seems the people that become people's "kings" or "queens" are the ones who have the incredibly hard to achieve skinny ideal body type. in fact, stan culture, in general (at least mostly), always talks about body positivity but then idealizes this standard with no space for any other body type, and it's just so concerning to me. anyways sorry for the rant, but thanks for listening

don’t apologise!! thanks for sending this in, i totally agree with you. you’re right it’s not to do with the idols themselves but the way companies push idols to be incredibly skinny and make them lie about their weight that’s so damaging. i’ve definitely seen an increase in pro ed accounts on twt that are centred around these petite kpop girls and aspiring to get to their weight (although like you said using east asian people as an aesthetic is a whole other thing....). people hate to admit it but a majority of people stan or at least begin to stan certain people because of their appearance, and without a doubt a lot of these groups would not as big as they are if some of them were a few dress sizes bigger. kpop stans claim to care about body positivity but the second an idol puts on a slight bit of weight that’s all everyone can talk about and the moment some random fan gets doxxed for saying something about someone’s meow meow everyone’s ready to call them a “fat ugly loser.” i guess that’s just all celebrity culture though, fawning over people for looking “perfect” and aspiring to be/look like them as though the celebs don’t have a professional team working on them every day. and they have to keep it that way, because if celebrities don’t have that unattainable look that makes you feel insecure then they begin to lose their charm and people will lose interest and ultimately the companies behind everything lose money. it sucks but what can you do. like i said in the tiktok post i’m just glad i wasn’t a kpop fan when i was very young because i know for a fact it would have really affected me. (sorry my thoughts are a bit all over the place i’m on the train rn and i can’t really concentrate)

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