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#It was clearly a joint decision and it wouldn't have worked had their views and goals not been united and cooperative
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"Any assessment of the emotional component of the reconciliation of [Empress Matilda and Geoffrey of Anjou] remains speculation: the chroniclers are silent on the issue of whether [they] grew to love, hate, or like each other. We do know, from their movements and actions, that Matilda and Geoffrey eventually arrived at a businesslike arrangement with a united viewpoint toward the dynastic, geopolitical goals that had dictated their marriage in the first place."
"Matilda and Geoffrey effectively transitioned from a Divide and Rule model to a Collaborative Union from 1144 onwards, in which they worked together throughout their marriage to ensure rulership over their territories and gained their rightful lands, as well as ensuring the inheritance for their children. Matilda and Geoffrey’s political partnership can effectively be argued as the most successful through applying different models of rulership. Ultimately the Plantagenets regained Matilda’s inheritance through Henry, conquered Normandy, and produced several male heirs."
Charles Beem, The Lioness Roared: The Problems of Female Rule in English History / Gabrielle Storey, Co-Rulership, Co-operation and Competition: Queenship in the Angevin Domains, 1135-1230
#WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! (in my head)#empress matilda#geoffrey of anjou#my post#historicwomendaily#It's very common for historians and historical novelists to overly focus on the emotional component of their marriage#usually by presenting it as wholly negative and dysfunctional#Which is honestly...incredibly counterproductive and misleading when it comes to studying them as historical figures.#We don't know what their marriage was like. We don't know what they felt about each other or if that evolved over time#As Beem says any assessment of their personal dynamic has to necessarily remain speculative.#(and honestly: Matilda offering donations to Godstow abbey for his safety in the 1140s and founding an abbey soon after his death in#honor of him and her parents - without mentioning her first husband - does open the door for potential reassessments of their relationship)#However: what we DO know for sure is that they had an exceptionally successful partnership#demonstrably the most effective from all Angevin rulers of England#And unlike all female rulers & their husbands from 12th century Europe they did not present threats to each other's authority#They also seem to have more or less respected each other's chosen titles (Empress and Duke of Normandy respectively)#And contrary to the popular idea that they fought for control over their sons#they actually seem to have been very cooperative in that regard - especially where Henry was concerned#See: Geoffrey sending Henry to Matilda with Robert of Gloucester#Matilda sending Henry back to him after his conquest of Normandy#Both of them originally fought for their own rights/power but eventually decided to transfer the dynastic succession to Henry#Matilda dropped the title 'domina Anglorum' from 1148 and Geoffrey relinquished his title of Duke to Henry in 1150#in order to promote him as the heir and king-claimant in the war#It was clearly a joint decision and it wouldn't have worked had their views and goals not been united and cooperative#and honestly I find this demonstrably successful partnership SO much more interesting for both of them than needless - and baseless -#speculations on their personal dynamic#that have influenced and warped popular views of them as historical figures
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Hello! I want to say that I love your blog! and Idk really who to ask this since Idk that many people so u can ignore it if you want to.I've seen people in so many platforms saying the same things that it is making me sort of worry and its that 1) gj and zzh are now never ever going to be together again not even on variety shows and ignore their existence. 2) that the c-industry already made the decision to support gj and not zzh for the amount of programs he is invided and sporsons he now has
Thanks for messaging. I think I'll start with some general advice. No matter what the issue is, politics, science, sports, entertainment, social media can be very quick at spreading misinformation or ignorance. Since WOH began, I have on multiple occasions believed in things untrue and spread on the word too. So it's important to judge the source of information or take things with a grain of salt until further verification or go investigate yourself.
Luckily I've been able to slowly find and filter social media accounts that have been trustworthy re WOH and JunZhe, and I think I'm getting better at judging. Now let me answer your points. But remember Im just another fan on the internet and this just what I believe.
1a) not sure if you have seen a previous post of mine about their joint appearance at TF? Here. I talk about this issue quite extensively in that post. I think the reality is that we will indeed see less and less of them together in variety shows or endorsements. The problem is why. These rumours flying around will want to interpret this lack of joint projects as proof that their relationship is bad or that the cp is over for good. But I reject this. I think it's only natural that these two actors will need to move onto their next individual projects and promotions. It's also hard to do variety shows together. For audiences and showrunners, we obviously want joint appearances, it's guaranteed success. But from an individual actor's point of view, every time they have to consider the suitability of a show for themselves, not all actors suit going on variety shows and not all variety shows would suit an actor. E.g in bts for GJ's appearance at Chuang boy band talent show, he said himself that he was out of his comfort zone judging singing and dancing, he had fun but he much preferred acting and filming. GJ and ZZH have different talents. As friends, do you want your partner to feel uncomfortable during your partnership? These two clearly look out for each other, and wouldn't want to do that to the other. They've also got full schedules and it would be very hard to organise this joint appearance. Im not saying it won't happen, just it's totally normal for it to not happen.
1b) no joint endorsements because... They are getting very very expensive. One is expensive enough, and two? Any brand would have to consider whether or not such an investment is worth their money. At the start of WOH, they could still do joint because they were still rising in popularity, and relatively affordable, but it's different now.
1c) nothing that these two have done so far suggests they want nothing to do with each other. They changed their profile pics together, they almost always post announcements of endorsements together. They are clearly having a very good working relationship so far. But their new shows are going to begin soon, so i expect they will start doing more promotion with their co-actors on social media which is part of their job. As to what their relationship is privately? I give you this:
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2a) not sure where that news is from. But it might be based on the fact that GJ seems to have announced more endorsements and had more variety show appearances during April. But ZZH was filming then, and he only just finished filming a few days ago and his May schedule for shows, livestream etc is going to be very full whereas GJ is now filming again and has almost no public appearances scheduled so far for May. Both of them have announced A LOT of endorsements, with just two new ones two days ago from both of them. Either way, their success is not measured by how many they pick up, but what sort of long term partnership they can create with sponsors, much more important than short term profit and quantity. I won't go into the nature of different endorsements here, I might save that for a future post. But let's just say, worst case scenario GJ picks up 30 times more than ZZH. This isn't a thing to feel grief over or feel one has been cheated, this is an immature way of seeing it. They will personally feel happy for each other, no matter who is more successful. They both already are successful. Also, they are actors first and foremost, they want above all to be better actors, not bigger celebrities. This is important to remember.
2b) be wary that lots of social media accounts or news sources or entertainment gossip columns make a living by creating controversy. It has been this way for a long time in entertainment across the world. Just think about magazine news about British royalty, every week a divorce, a spat, a jealous argument, a feud is happening, and it's all true because a "trusted source" said so. Same thing is happening with JunZhe. They're big so people know people want to read about them. And nothing sells better than stories of controversy and notoriety. Not to mention, a lot of people also want to see JunZhe fail for their own gain.
#my two cents
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