#IggyAnswers

[fruitkingfrog]

sorry if this is a strange question but you're like ceo of new gods stuff, what is the recommended reading order of new gods? i want to start at the beginning (yknow jack kirbys start) but i feel it may not be that simple

aaaa thank you thank you tbh I think fourth world IS that simple.. pretty much the original stuff

Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen #133-148/ New Gods / Forever People / Mister Miracle (Jack Kirby 1970s)

New Gods 1984 reprint issue #6 part 2

DC Graphic Novel #4 - Hunger Dogs

That will give u The Core of the series and IMO the best parts. The only other new gods comic i really enjoy is Orion (2000), but to me thats more of a "fix-it" for NGv3/NGv4/JKFWJB volumes in between and not a good direct follow up. i havent read any post-kirby Forever People at all yet, and i stopped reading Mister Miracle when Dematteis became the main writer, I can't stand his scott and barda. some of the Showcase issues have New Gods stories that are pretty good, I know theres one about Lightray confronting a Lightray Church, and one w Orion about a Shadow creature. This list on LOGC i think has everything chronologically, but keep in mind i was using DCUguide and hand-organizing wiki appearances when I read it

Oh and Honourable Mentions

Mister Miracle: The Source of Freedom. part of it's own timeline, but presents an alt universe where Shilo is biological legacy to the Mister Miracle title and Scott/Barda's existence is questionable, Modern Shilo is definitely his own character from original Shilo, also heavily features Oberon, and includes a brief but MUCH more in-character, respectful, fun&sexy take on New 52 Orion. I dont love everything about it but its a fun read and only like 6 issues i think!

Bug! The Adventures of Forager. parody-adventure comic that explains that Forager didn't die during CO, he was just displaced from the universe. Plays around with a lot of old Kirby stuff

Solo #7 (Michael Allred). Same author/artist, but about a decade older than Bug!. Features a 2-page parody with Orion, Lightray, Forager, and Scott taking bets on what things Scott can escape. One of the things that made me really want to give Fourth World a shot

Justice League: Gods and Monsters (2015 movie & shorts + digital comic). Not a Fourth World story, but features Bekka as a lead. an alternate universe where the Pact never happened, New Genesis became corrupt and desperate, and a deathly betrayal leads Bekka to Earth to become Wonder Woman, alongside (effectively Lor-Zod) Superman and Kirk Langstrom vampire Batman. A scrapped sequel story would have had Bekka return home and introduce Lashina as Wonder Girl. Recommended more if you're looking to flesh out Bekka, this does it better than her Yellow Lantern run, but its not very kind to the Fourth World. The ultimate "dark" Justice League though, hands down.

1 day ill actually get around to

thank u for the ask!

[ID: Pencil on paper of Orion from DC Comics, he is unmasked, pointing and yelling at something in the top right corner. End ID]

[shadethechangingman]

ZATANNA!!!! Ask meme uhmmmm 1-5!!!!!!!

1.My first impression of them

ummm i wouldnt even know i mustve been like... a child when watching justice league unlimited. and i loved her!!!!!!!!

2. When I think I truly started to like them (or dislike them, if you've sent me a character I don't like)

^ at some point in childhood shes always been a fave of mine but i really latched onto her in 2019 when i got back into DC

3. A song that reminds me of them

i had a zatanna song but i looked up the meaning year and i feel kind of silly. strange magic + when i was done dying are proabbly my zee songs now bc i used lyrics from them on art of her (w bruce and diana respectively)

4.How many people I ship them with

wonder woman, deadman, nightmare nurse, batman (bruce)

5.My favorite ship of them

WONDERZEE!!!!!! her and diana are just soooo dream otp to me i love them 4ever i have a WIP of them but its for after my main WIPs are done

thank u for the ask, i got to test out my paint pens on this :D

[ID: A painting on paper of Zatanna from DC Comics. She's floating, and wielding a purple mist above her head with silver sparkles. She's wearing a black coat, shorts, boots, and a blue vest with a z shaped button-over. End ID]

[internetgremlin-writes]

Can I request no.12 with daniel ricciardo 🥰

12 - "I think I'm in love with you and I'm terrified"

Warnings: mild Monaco angst

Glad to see I'm not the only one in my Danny Ric feels after this weekend. Hope this helps! (sorry I didn't get round to writing it instantly, my afternoon was filled with landlord drama :/)

Prompt night info and prompt list to request your own ficlet: here!

"Well, I'm okay,"

You dropped your head into your hands with a devastated groan, allowing yourself to slump back into your seat. Oh Danny no, not again, your heart broke for him and the dejection in his voice you just weren't used to. You couldn't believe it was happening again and that you were completely powerless to do anything about it.

Daniel had been your best friend for years, and whilst you adored and supported him you didn't know how many more times you could watch him slip down to the bottom of the F1 pack, getting shuttled between teams like he meant nothing. Not that you had anything against Lando and McLaren, but you couldn't believe once more that he was no more to them than a second driver, even the car came before him.

And now this, a crash in Monaco. His second home, his favourite track, the place he'd promised he'd get his redemption. Sitting virtually paralysed in your spot in hospitality watching him climb out of the orange car he'd been promised was his new family certainly didn't look like redemption to you.

He wasn't interested in anything that night. Usually, you'd hang out at his apartment all weekend for Monaco, but he told you he needed to stay in the garage to go over the incident. You'd seen this Danny before too, that no matter how shit of a situation he found himself in he was always blaming himself. He would stay up late, spend hours and hours pouring his heart and soul into working through problems, trying to find solutions he didn't need to. You were furious for him.

F. E. A

It was written in small black letters, but it was in the direct line of his helmet cam. Fuck 'em all. It was devastating, watching him become less and less of a priority of Lando and winning car, even when the younger driver was sick and not giving his best, but your chest warmed a little at Daniel's message. Maybe there was still that fight you knew and loved in him. Maybe your honey badger was in there after all.

But, like many things with Daniel, it wasn't meant to be. A low qualifying spot and a messy race with torrential rain and so many flags you lost the will to live saw him finish outside of the points once more. You were glad that he got home in one piece, at least, but you knew he wasn't. The second the last car pulled into a stop you all but ran to the McLaren garage.

He was there, sweaty and messy and as beautiful as post-race Daniel always was, but he was missing that huge smile and the light in his eyes. You didn't look once at the podium ceremony, your entire attention trained on Daniel who was staring at Sergio Perez with such deep heartbreak you didn't know what to do. He had to leave for press, reluctantly, so you pulled him into a quick hug and promised him you'd be over that evening.

And you did, after all the after-party arrangements had been made and Daniel's PR team had made their excuses you found yourself at the com of his flat, with a bag of far too much Chinese food in one hand and a bottle of wine in the other. He buzzed you in and you found him on the couch, staring fixedly at the TV, where the race highlights were playing.

"Don't watch them," you murmured, and he finally raised his head to look at you. He looked like a shell of your Danny. In sweatpants and a hoodie, his hair a fluffy, curly mess after his recent shower, but his eyes were red and you were worried he'd been crying. He didn't say anything, simply returning his attention to the TV. You decided to give him a minute, and busied yourself in his kitchen plating up the food and pouring two large glasses of wine.

He was still staring at the screen when you came back, so you picked up the remote and turned it off. He sent you the smallest smile you'd ever seen and a half-hearted thanks. You ate in silence, and he didn't touch the wine.

"I'm sorry about today,"

He dropped his head, refusing to even look at you. You were contemplating saying something else, but you didn't know if you'd make the situation worse when he moved toward you. His head found the space in your neck and he crawled into your chest like an overgrown child. Instinctively you wrapped your arms around him, tight because any contact with him was everything to you.

"Hey-"

"Please," his voice was thick, his accent almost unrecognisable with it "I just need a minute," you nodded, your chin just resting on the top of his head as you held him, rubbing gentle circles across his back. You weren't sure how long you stayed like that, or when exactly he decided to pull away and keep eating as if nothing happened, or when you found yourself watching him watch one of his terrible comedy movies. It was only when he didn't laugh at a single one of the cringey one-liners that you knew something was deeply wrong.

"Okay, Danny, what's going on? Because I've seen you laugh at this stupid fucking film from a hospital bed,"

The way he looked at you then was like nothing you'd ever experienced before. It was like he was staring straight into your soul, those big brown eyes of his so full of churning emotions that it made your chest constrict in rhythm. He sucked in a breath that was alarmingly shakey for someone so extraverted.

"I think I'm in love with you and I'm terrified,"

You couldn't help the surprised bubble of laughter that escaped you.

"Sorry, what?"

"I- you're my best friend and I love you. I'm so scared of losing this, us, but I can't sit here anymore and pretend I don't want more," his voice was too shakey to be your Danny, but the words were his. It was only then you realised his hands were wrapped around your wrists.

"You could never lose me," you murmured, speaking slowly to gauge his reaction as the confession you'd been pushing down for years came surging through "Not when I've been yours all this time,"

You didn't need to say those three words back, because he pulled you into a kiss so desperate it said them for you.

[movedthechangingman]

carrie kelley's batwoman design in golden child bangs so hard. my fav bat design in years

one of my fave costumes ever!!!!

[ratkingrat]

I think your redesign of the red hood costume is so cool

THANK U!!!

[justiceleagueafterdark]

Bratty Bottom/Service Top

on the list

[fruitkingfrog]

You ate Both the top Orion blogs that appear when searching for him.

that makes me really glad to hear hehe!!! one day ill post my thoughts about orion as much as i draw him... but for now

[ID: Orion from DC Comics from the knee up, against a blue background with a smaller yellow square behind him. His helmet is on and he's smiling at the viewer. end ID]

[fruitkingfrog]

your art is so good it's insane and it's got me curious about the new gods, do you have any comic recs?

eee thank you so so so much! my main recommendation for getting into new gods is the original Fourth World saga by Jack Kirby, all 3 titles are worth reading (Forever People, New Gods, Mister Miracle) but don't need to be read together necessarily (i read them all months apart)

New Gods is my favourite, there's also DC Graphic Novel #4 - Hunger Dogs by Jack Kirby, which is a continuation of his original new gods comic, euhm i confess i don't didn't like most of the later new gods comics but i did like a lot of their single issue appearances - i'm working through a reread where im going to read it more "story-first" than character-first and see if my opinion changes on any of them.. i think it was a lot of "baby out with the bathwater" for certain things tldr if ur getting into the series new..

New Gods / Forever People / Mister Miracle (Jack Kirby 1970s)

DC Graphic Novel #4 - Hunger Dogs

the only other fourth world volume i really love is orion (2000) but you do have to read the volumes in between first lol.. um if u do read the kirby ones and like them msg me again and ill have maybe reread those short appearances by then and ill have an issue list

edit: ty doodle :)

[ID: Close up of Lightray, looking at something offscreen to the left, his hand on his chin and smiling. Orion is behind him, looking sad. His helmet appears on the left half of his face. End ID]

[shadethechangingman]

Uhmmmm do you think there’s any sort of like films or tv made by new genesis? I dont recall there ever being so might be cool if they had like a yet to be seen in canon bustling creative centre

kirby FW lightray is pretty fascinated by a TV, and Big Bear is super into the local movie theatre showing old films -

[ID: Big Bear stopping outside a theatre, saying "A cinema house!! What a find!! Look! They're offering priceless horror classics! Milestones in the history of earth film art!!" He's holding a film display that saying "Now playing plus midnite show" with a picture of Frankenstein and other creatures. End ID]

they must have some kind of theatre, i think new genesis tends towards live perfomances which is why recordrd and projected images are so exciting for them.

[shadethechangingman]

Why is fluttershy eating a butterfly

ITS A PRETZEL.... they went to the mall . reposting from twitter

[shadethechangingman]

Idk about new titans but I am CONVINCED that the toad design in x men evo was lifted from the wolf man design in Hanna Barbera's drak pack

OK YEAH i can see it. i do feel like this is a semi generic 90s teen boy look though edit: looking again the mouth/face shape and hair are VERY similar youre right

new titans introduced Pantha also known as experiment X-24, a woman experimented on in a lab to give her super senses, claws, and shes the gruff, edgy member of the team. and later jarras minion, who isnt really similar to xmen evo kurt outside of design and being called elf by the team

the pantha one im POSITIVE on, the jarras one not as much

[shadethechangingman]

orion 11, 20, and 27!

11. What’s the first thing you think about when thinking about the character?

always think of him flying thru space like his first appearance first thing in mind... or shouting his intentions to the sky. hes just always got a very intense imagery in my mind

20. A weird headcanon

in his rare off moments, he likes the water, just sitting by it or swimming. seagrin taught him to swim as a child on NG, and he's very skilled at it - but he sometimes forgets it as a leisure activity in favour of pouring himself into his offensive against apokolips. in my old man AU i think his and lightray's home is near a body of water, orion just goes out and floats for a little bit

27. If they could meet a character from another show/movie/etc, who would be the most fun for them to meet?

FLUTTERSHYYYYYYYYY i just want it to happen idk i wanna work more on that joke AU where they go to the mall but ive been busy on other things :D i cant think of any non-dc characters i think would make for a legitimately interesting teamup for him thoughh

[ID: Painting on paper of Orion with his fist raised, snarling and looking up in the air. At the bottom left is a closeup of his helmet with one visible red eye. Both are outlined in green, with multicolour dots connected by "circuitry". End ID]

[shadethechangingman]

happy birthday!!! 🎉🎂 if you could create your own fourth world imprint, what books would you include in it?

THANK YOU!!! and thank u for the question:

id love to say just new gods!!! but well thats such a toss up....

lightray solo. theres an article floating around about DC characters who've never received solos and it remarks that while Lightray is overdue, writing a genuinely nice hero would be too hard for most authors and ive been so mad forever

mister miracle source of freedom... 2!

mini about the brandon easton/fico ossio version of orion :D would want to make way for an original orion solo though by the end. maybe they can meet

mokkari and simian in a similar but darker vibe to BUG! or like a The Brak Show thing. id take the allreds back for that even

anthology style with stories from all 3 mister miracles and support cast. would like to see michael avon oeming do some art here

OBERON PRIDE SPECIAL ONESHOT

forever people always. i didnt read past their first solo so i dont know where i would go with that though!

i think a female furies solo that isnt uh like that could be cool. one based on the original series though. i think knockout could still be involved because she IS a villainous mirror of barda and i think should represent the rewritten personalities given to the furies in later comics

jimmy olsen should team up with don rickles again (i never read this issue actually. sorry) jk though i like Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen as a concept always though. his too-good-for-him love interests should unionize though POWER GIRL x BLUE FORAGER 2k23. joke. maybe

young gods as an anthology maybe? or just anything with a general new gods cast, revision of jovita?, id like to see tradd moore draw a lightray story but not the one i listed below, black racer!, silent comedy with fastbak getting into shenanigans, atinai! seagrin! erm TT can explode but i like jog i would see him again, complete wyldhearts connection to fourth world im sure some other stuff

whatever happened on earth-51?

another anthology -> multiverse/AU... maybe address the "theyre the same in every universe" bc thats obviously not truueeee

ive had an idea for a lightray-centric book for years now of him escaping one of desaad's labs deep underground with a half-dissected father box that he doesnt really trust but is his only ally, while orion searches tirelessly for his lost friend while someone (maybe kaiyo?) plays mind games on him. well i think itd be fun

yay thank u for the ask :D

here is a WIP drawing of fastbak:

[ID: Flat-coloured image of Fastbak from DC Comics, flying on his discs. There is an air trail behind him spinning in a loop. End ID]

[shadethechangingman]

🔊 orion

Candy Jail by Silver Jews

i listened to this + the ajj cover of it a lot the months i was getting into new gods...but its on my orion playlist too so... HOWEVER i think if orion himself listened to music his favourite album would be jagged little pill. i come back to this idea every few months so i have to assume its a cosmic truth

[Image ID: A sketch of Orion from DC Comics. He looks serious and is facing left. Quiet music is coming from his helmet, lyrics to Hand In My Pocket by Alanis Morissette "what is all comes down to is that everythings gonna be quite alright". At the upper right someone is shouting, "Orion look out - Oh god he can't hear us he's wearing airpods"]

[shadethechangingman]

I feel like I have to ask Rac Shade for the ask meme 😂 also I wanna know 😳

(character asks)

me: omg ill do these slowly throughout the week-SHADE? ???? Sexuality Headcanon: i think he has some latent sexual attraction to various ppl but sex is incredibly distressing to him caus im pretty sure that was a thing in the comic. idr

Gender Headcanon: Soooo so due for a reread on this so a big IF I RECALL CORRECTLY for all of this: but gender & sexuality is intentionally messy in Shade, and shade's own relationship to it is usually defined through traumatic events for him and others iirc. shade is insecure in his masculinity in canon, but seems to staunchly see himself as male, albeit in a defeating way. Id like to see Shade get to experience gender euphoria in a modern comic rather than going back to rejecting all feelings and go super-misogynist or w.e BUT i dont care what gender that ends up being in the end. i use he/him pronouns for him usually

UM TLDR: i think hes genderfucked / canonically he seems to be really unhappy about it but i wish he wasnt 

A ship I have with said character: i dont know if (lenny/kathy+kathy/shade) is a ship so much as Waoh You Guys Are A Disaster. Show Me More situation

A BROTP I have with said character: constantine maybe. not a lot of options. just to be clear i dont think they should get along i think shade should join him in being miserable and  sleeping in the hall of justice basement like as a gag everytime someone goes down there another d-lister magic user is there not shade specifically

OH: arnold burnsteel may be an interesting character to have interact w shade but again idk as friends, i can see shade being drawn to arnold’s paranoia or sthng

A NOTP I have with said character: lenny/shade i guess? we dont have a lot of options here. i guess i used to be into shadestantine and i dont care for it but i DONT dislike it. i would draw it again if i had a good pose/prompt but i have no idea how i was like deeply emotionally invested for a while there..........

A random headcanon: not necessarily a headcanon, but I think he should vape if he comes back hear me out. i dont like the Vertigo issues of STCM but when he uses/shares a hookah to smoke feelings/thoughts as "poetry" he's made. Should be a vape in a new comic

General Opinion over said character: i love him dearly, named my blog after him, made him a clown for my icon

[ID: Fanart of Shade the Changing Man, in profile facing left and looking at the viewer. His skin is turquoise, the whites of his eyes and coat are yellow, and his long red hair is flowing around and behind him. There is a small rainbow background behind him. End ID]

[shadethechangingman]

Happpppppy birthday!! (For real, not queued bday wishes this time lol)

Tell me what modern Earth things would Orion and Lightray enjoy that they don't have on New Genesis. And what would absolutely perplex them?

thank you!!! lightray is intrigued by technology and clothing, thinking abt how he creates that armour for orion in orion solo . he likes baggy clothes for himself personally, opposite of what he wears on new genesis (. in JLI he knows what ice capades are but not who Mr. Ed is, so i think he follows the arts but isnt up on pop culture so much and doesnt get big franchise series/movie series marathons. he fucking sucks at driving i think partially bc he never used aerodiscs or anything his coordination just isnt adapted for it.

orion doesnt understand shit. better at driving than lightray but not great in traffic. motherbox (or lightray) picks his clothes. i think spending time on earth makes orion a little uncomfortable - places him way outside his comfort zone. in my orion-gets-old!au he likes poetry, so maybe lightray shows him some earth poetry books and or shilo shows him how to google things

its so warm out i dont wanna draw until i get my fan over here. heres a snippet from my multiverse pic of Earth 27 dinorion and lightraydactyl first design + then redesign after darklyoseid was introduced

[ID: Two drawings of Orion and Lightray from DC as dinosaurs, in the first Orion is a T-rex and Lightray is a pterodactyl. In the second Orion is a mixture of a sabertooth tiger and an Ankylosaurus. End ID]