#I'm more trying analyse what I think their relationship was like before Gies lost his marbles to get a better grip on how founder women

[carlatsukinamistolemyhamsandwich]

Hi,so I love your blog so much.

I have an q question,so I think that Founder men see women really low than men.

In Carla's routes,it's really obvious that king Giesbach violent with their wife's. And Carla sees Yui as "his woman" and every character too. So,do u have opinions about Founders opinions about women or etc,culture and smthng like that?

Hi, I’m really glad to hear you like my blog ^^

I’ve talked about this topic before here and here. To reiterate what I said in those posts, it’s mentioned in I think the Tsukinami DF CD that founder woman were strictly controlled (which I take to mean that they were mainly kept inside Banmaden to preserve the purity of the bloodline, although this isn’t stated outright) so they certainly didn’t have all of the liberties that they should have done.

Sensitive topics under the cut.

It’s true Giesbach hit Krone and locked her up in the dungeons after she tried to stop him from going to war with Karl and told him that he was just jealous of Karl and Carla. From my knowledge of Carla’s route, while Gies could be violent with Carla, I’m pretty sure this is the only example we see of him turning on Krone in game. I’m not trying to make excuses and hitting your s/o out of anything other than self-defense is inexcusable but, in my opinion we don’t have enough evidence to determine whether Giesbach was violent to Krone prior to this incident. 

From Krone’s dialogue and behavior I genuinely think she loved the man Gies was before he started to lose his mind due the jealousy he felt towards Carla and Karl, so I like to think he used to be better behaved than how we see him in Carla’s route. Again, I’m not trying to say this makes his later actions okay, it doesn’t, rather the behavior Gies exhibits towards Krone is likely going to reflect how many founder women were treated so determining whether the incident above was a one off or was frequent behavior is pretty important if we want to know how founder women were treated as a whole. 

Personally I find it unlikely that all founder men treated their wives terribly (and I’m pretty sure I discussed this in one of the posts I linked), although equally I suspect they were not necessarily given the respect they should have been either. 

As for Carla referring to Yui as “woman” or “his woman”, this really isn’t him trying to be derogatory. Carla can be quite literal, and when Yui being dissatisfied with his nickname comes up in one of the LE limited edition bonus drama CDs, his reaction can essentially be summed up as “but you are a woman so I fail to see the problem”. The possessive part (”my woman”) may not be received particularly well received by western audiences, but if you look at otome games the phrase お前はオレの 物 (omae wa ore no mono which literally translates to “you are my thing” although is generally interpreted as “you’re mine”) comes up A LOT, it is in no way a DL-specific thing. IRL is this a great thing to say to your partner? Not really unless that’s what they’re into but otome games are not meant to equate to real life.

I’ve gotten a little off track but yeah, part of the reason why the guys use this phrase is to provide some wish-fulfillment for all the do-M fans out there, so I wouldn’t read into it too much. The guys do make some sexist comments and Karl definitely does not set a good example in how he treats his wives, so I wouldn’t say any of them are perhaps as enlightened as we might want them to be (except perhaps Azusa). But we should also bear in mind the context of DL, in that the characters are meant to be do-S, so they were never going to be perfect boyfriend material.

Hope you have a lovely day!