#I'm more pro-ship than anti-ship I guess and I am always anti-harrassment

[bougiebutchbinch]

Im sorry but what about pro-ship? ...You would also cheer people who create it?

And by pro-ship i mean incest, pedophilia, rape, abuse and glorifying all of these things.

I just want to know, no vitriol, no hate.

Okay, so, this is a MASSIVE topic and my thoughts are complex. So, just for the purpose of answering this ask, I'm gonna focus on the biggy here - fictional depictions of pedophilia.

Under a cut because this got long!

I don't wanna read anything that glorifies fictional child sexual abuse in a completely played-straight way. That's a big ol' nope.

But there is a world of difference between depiction and glorification. And I don't think people writing about a horrific situation have to constantly shove it down your throat that Pedophilia Is Bad? This sort of thinking leads to incredibly cringey moralistic fiction that is, frankly, dull.

I love dark fiction! I love gothic novels, and horror, which include rape and incest and abuse and child sexual abuse and all sorts - not all of which is demonised! Some of which is wholeheartedly glorified in order to disgust you!

Some content is meant to disturb you and gross you out and make you look at your own internal 'ick' reactions! Or it's designed to give you the 'fascinated horror' people often get from looking at a car crash with multiple fatalities. That sense of intrigue when faced with taboos is a natural part of the human experience. So long as it is only engaged with in a fictional setting, it's a helluva lot less harmful than rubbernecking out the window of your car at a crash site and causing another accident.

Playing with people's disgust can be very interesting and fun, from a writerly perspective! You can create all sorts of really disturbing horror for the precise purpose of making your audience uncomfortable, and no one is actually being hurt!

Art isn't just about happy emotions, y'know? Lolita isn't pro-child-sexual-abuse despite being written from the perspective of a pedophile, and I'd wager that very, very few people who paid to watch The Human Centipede actually have a scat fetish. They're drawn in by their disgust and revulsion - like many people are to darkfic!

Now, if someone is legitimately creating content that seems to be glorifying fictional child sexual abuse, I won't interact with them for personal trigger reasons. But at the end of the day.... I don't know their story? I don't know why they're doing that.

What I know is: when I went through the worst, most traumatic experiences in my life (which, no, I will not be discussing further x) reading about the same horrible stuff happening to my blorbos legit helped. And not just the stuff where it was depicted realistically, as a horrible traumatic experience, but the stuff where it was 'glorified' too, because it made me feel less alone and awful for having lived in that situation and for having told myself it was normal and healthy.

When you're in a situation like that, sometimes you legitimately cannot tell you are in deep shit. Fics that try to point out that you are in deep shit, invariably feel like they're preaching. A balance of fics that try to point out that, y'know, Abuse And Pedophilia Are Bad - delivered alongside fics that depict that sort of relationshp as ay-okay, actually helped me come to terms with some of the shit in my life. Reading both sorts of fic together, it didn't feel like I was being constantly told I was a Victim.

I think, at the end of the day, fiction affects reality. Just look at propaganda and the affects of white supremacy and homophobia on Western Canon! But it's not a 1:1 impact.

It's more important to encourage readers to use critical thinking when engaging with fiction, than it is to harass writers who have created content that disgusts you.

You don't know why they're creating that content, and you don't know how many people it's helped - and, so long as it's properly tagged, people who need to avoid that content due to triggers can do so!

Obligatory: if someone uses a fic with an underage pairing to groom someone, that is incredibly fucked up and disgusting. But literally anything can be used to groom kids, sadly. You could point at literally anything, and at some point, it will have been used to further a child's horrific and very real abuse.

Overall, if you actually give a shit about protecting kids, I think there are far more important things to focus on. Such as:

Educating communities about how the vast majority of child sexual abuse comes from close family friends and family members, not strangers sending kids fanfic on the internet.

Educating communities about how the word 'pedophile' has been purposefully corrupted by right wingers to demonize completely innocent queer people because think of the children. This isn't to say there isn't a very real problem with child sexual exploitation & abuse, but we should perhaps be a little wary about throwing around a word grounded in serious reality to refer to fictional scenarios, and enforcing the very Right-Wing idea that 'thinking about [x] act is the same as doing [x] act'.

Focusing on children themselves. We should support good sex & relationship education, so children know their bodies and understand appropriate cultural norms. We should educate children about their rights, and give children broader community support structures so that they feel empowered to disclose abuse. Offering time or money to shelters is a great way to actually support survivors.

Ensuring there are safe and free refuges for children who are being abused IRL, places where they can stay away from family & other potential abusers - i.e., public libraries, community centres, etc. - or at least know there are other witnesses. Volunteering at your local library and donating can genuinely make a difference to abused kids - and all kids in general!

Dismantling cultures of silence around abuse in your personal community. Do not just tell the women in the group to avoid Joe because he has wandering hands. Tell Joe that his behaviour is inappropriate and will no longer be tolerated.

TL;DR - personally, please keep any/all sexual content involving fictional underage people FAR away from me, and do not send me any rape or abuse scenarios (unless we're brainstorming whump as friends, in which case, you can just gimme a warning).

But I am also against harassing artists and creators unless they are harming real children in measurable ways.

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(part 1) I noticed ur anti supercorp fandom posts and I'm in tears. You take the action of a few assholes and use it to represent our whole fandom. Every fandom has assholes and sadly people in other fandoms only see the assholes. You can hate a ship but hating on real people will NEVER be okay. I am a sc shipper and karolsen shipper a cser. I am anti slave owners replacing a black love interest and not respecting kara. That has nothing to do with ships and it never will.

I’m sorry but you are an idiot. First of all, if you go to the ao3 where I post it clearly says anti FANATIC side of the sc fandom. 

Secondly, it’s tagged correctly - as anti crack fic. I didn’t even tagged Lena there. Or used “Supercoorp” word. So my question is WHY DID YOU READ IT if you obviously knew it was going tp upset you? Sorry, I’m not sorry but I am NOT responsible of your happiness here if don’t even know how to protect yourself. Don’t like don’t read. How hard it is? Did you send anons to people from your fandom who tag their abusive, gross fics as karamel where they kill Mon, make fun of karamel and make it supercoorp fics? :)

Next. Few idiots? Don’t make me laugh. You need to block more than 300 blogs that are usually SC to scroll karamel tag without seeing hate. Do you want me to post all shit I gathered so far from your fandom that I found in our pro tags? I have hundreds of screen shots. Hating on real people? Go and say that to people from Sc fandom who attack Chris, Melissa and other cast members constantly on social media, on THEIR official accounts. Also, if you call my fic “hating on real people” then wow, you have seen nothing, kid.

First you say: “ I am anti slave owners replacing a black love interest “ and then you say: “That has nothing to do with ships“ :)))))

(part 2) I have NEVER harassed one of the actors. Most of us haven’t. The majority of us were disgusted by the people (who were apparently proven to be trolls but idk the whole story there) who harassed Rahul. The lack of queer representation in the media is no joke. When you turn on the tv you see representation it doesn’t matter the channel or time. It is so easy for you to find a couple that represents you. For me, I have to search so hard. I have yet to find a canon couple that i relate to

Cool for you. A funny story - I haven’t harrassed a soul too. And yeah, you didn’t harass but you also did nothing to stop the haters. The biggest anti accounts still are high and mighty, followed by enormous group of people, their posts have hundreds of notes. Proven to be trolls - lol. Do you tell yourself that before sleep? You have your queer representationm in the show, it was called Sanvers and AgentCanary. CANON. But you decided to ignore that for a CRACK ship. Suit yourself. 

(part 3) so I am stuck with relationships that I don’t really relate to but at least the genders are right. Supercorp is that ship I really relate to. I relate to Kara so much and Lena is exactly my type. It is that one time where I say hey that is like me. I know it won’t happen and that isn’t the problem. Karolsen is also a non-canon ship that people want why wasn’t karolsen made fun of? Before you say it is the fandom I urge you to remember that isn’t most of us.

…you can’t find a ship you can relate along a lot LGBT ships to, but you relate to a ship made by an ALIEN superhero and a super rich genius? It sounds like you need to have some super high standards to relate to a ship. It’s like, you are a blonde, so you can relate to Kara. It sounds like that. And oh boi, my asexual ass can relate so much to the characters in the tv shows - so many characters. TONS. Not that like every of them always just has to end with a romantic interest *sarcasm* Also, I don’t get why you even start to talk about it - ship whatever shit you want and relate to any shit you want - did I say you can’t or something?

And wow, you can’t relate to a lot of ships, just to that ONE, but you can relate to WHOLE SC fandom, made by different people and whatever. Yay.

Karolsen was canon, what show you watch for god’s sake? And Jesus, Karolsen was thrashed in s1 by people. Hello?

(part 4) It left me feeling bad and guilty about who I ship & that the people I look up to hate me. I have something called Borderline Personality Disorder & often think I am worthless & am terrified of abandonment. When the cast said that stuff at SDCC I felt abandoned by people who have never even met me. It made me feel so worthless & awful that these people who I love and support who don’t even know who I am hate me. But please, go on about how awful the sc fandom is and deserved it.

And sorry, but you totally MISSED the point of my fic. it is a satire. It points flaws and problems that run in your precious oh so no abusive and toxic fandom. There is not a SINGLE line that says you should feel ashamed of shipping it. All thing I put there were created by your fandom. YOUR fandom created these things. YOUR fandom started putting abusive not karamel fics in karamel tags. I wrote that fic because of abusive assholes from your fandom. 

I’m sorry you have to deal with your problems and health issues but I ask you again - WHY you read stuff that is CLEARLY not for you and WHY you don’t protect yourself? You want me to make me feel guilty or something? Sorry, but I don’t feel this way, abusive assholes FROM SC FANDOM who told me I should kill myself or sent me gross shit right after my mother died and I was super depressed made my skin thick. But ok, I only have anxiety now, so my problems are not as valid as yours, I guess? Becasue I ship a former slave owner with your precious Kara, huh? Hot damn, life is brutal. Also, I guess people who ship only becasue it makes them happy and they don’t have problems in life are not important and their opinions are not valid. Only people who deal with shit can talk and ship. And their ships are valid. LOL

I think you didn’t realize, but the cast members don’t hate anyone. It’s horrible you felt that way, but they don’t hate you. But you, who deal with your mental problems should understand that they were harassed by fanatic shippers for months and have had enough. And they sang a song about two women being friends. Did they say sc sucks? No. Did they say you should not ship them? No. Did they say you suck? No. Think about it. If you feel hurt by my fic, then think about the cast members that had to read gross shit that was post about them and if you really loved them, think about how they felt.

And seriously - I kind of get what you wanted to say, I kind of know what you feel but I don’t give a CRAP. Why? Because the amount of shit I see from your fandom makes me want to throw up, makes my anxiety worse, wants me to put bleach into my eyes. I understand that you want to be a part of cute, amazing fandom that is nice and cool and wahtever, but it isn’t. Your fandom is a home for some of the worst abusive people I have met on tumblr. And no, not FEW. I guess, I should just ignore the haters, cheer for SC fandom and shut up, huh? Sorry, maybe in a different life.

But seriously, protect yourself, no one is going to do it for you. You mental health  is more important than reading a dumb crack fic and sending long ass message to a person you don’t even know.