#I'm a Trojan stan in general

[littlesparklight]

this question means no offense really, but i'm confused about why you seem to hate some characters -like achilles- so much, and yet you like Paris (or even ship him with menelaus, despite paris stole his wife and riches). idk, shouldn't people be allowed to like or ship any iliad characters they enjoy? where or when do we make a difference? achilles did a lot of bad stuff but the trojans did bad stuff too and leaving gods aside, the war is pretty much their fault and not the greek heroes. hope this doesn't sound mean but I'm curious!

idk, shouldn't people be allowed to like or ship any iliad characters they enjoy?

Read that again anon.

Does that not apply to me too? Do I anywhere in my rare diatribes against Achilles say people can't like Achilles or ship him? (Some people ship Achilles with Hektor or Briseis, which I'm sure you know. But me liking or shipping Paris with a man he initially got along with before Things Happened is beyond the pale, somehow?)

And no, this doesn't sound mean, necessarily but - look.

I don't very often get into why and how I dislike Achilles, and I never tag my most negative posts (I can't do much if they end up in the tag for naming Achilles in the body of the post because Tumblr is stupid like that; I've not tagged the post, I consider that my due diligence). And you presumably read my most recent post and are... confused? as to why I don't like Achilles? I have had to see so much shit about poor sad Achilles, boo hoo he ~dies so young~ it's unfair and blah blah blah. He chose his fate. He knew what would lead where and chose it and is an awful person and I can not like him if I want to. And talk about why I don't like him on my blog if I want to. Nothing I said in my post yesterday was wrong.

(I don't like Diomedes either, but the majority of the community isn't suffused with ignoring any and all awful things Diomedes did like happens with Achilles. I also don't like Dionysos, but I don't like him in a way that means I am deeply uncomfortable about touching why I don't like him so I don't discuss him.)

And maybe the Trojans and their allies "did bad stuff too" (they're defending themselves!) but they aren't the ones who are sacking cities and enslaving the populations in places that have nothing to do with the city harbouring the man who committed the initial wrong. And perhaps I don't think it's proportional to the crime committed to do what the Achaeans are doing - like, I know why, culturally, it's happening, but the Achaeans CAN go home. At any time! They're the ones involved in a war of aggression even if there is a crime having been committed by someone from the other side underlying why they're there at all.

And again. I don't tag my negative Achilles posts because I do think that's rude, even if I'm not saying anything that's wrong. Do you know the shit I have to see when it comes to Paris, because no one thinks a whit about if anyone who is in the tag might care to see THAT?

[dootznbootz]

i feel like i would be burned if i said agamemnon and clytemnestra were the same, i hate when they make agamemnon look like the devil, bad father, bad everything but clytemnestra who abused her daughters and tried to kill a baby (who was her own blood and it was a punishment in ancient greece to kill your own blood) and killed caassandra's babies as the "perfect mother, punished by the patriarchy" (except if it's electra she deserves to be abused according to her stans)

What would happen if I wanted a retelling of the curse of Atreus as a cycle of domestic violence, toxic families, but how it passes from generation to generation, Agamemnon being the older brother and who has to become tough to protect Menelaus his younger brother, and Menelaus ends the curse by sparing Helen's life unlike his ancestors who gave his own daughter the throne giving a curse to his generation, Menelaus forgiving Helen and returning to Sparta with Hermione his daughter whom he pampers very much and for her he refuses to marry again for fear of being treated like a bastard

agamemnon trying to protect those he loves most But only one mistake causes his daughter to be sacrificed to his disgust and he also ends up dead because of his wife, there is something that bothers me is that many justify Clytemnestra saying that she did nothing wrong, But many forget in Iphigenia of Thauros that Iphigenia does not hate her father, she even calls him dear, when she hears that her mother tried to kill her brother who was a baby (yes, she herself mentions that she remembers that Orestes was her little brother) and when she realizes that he has been alive she is not angry because they killed her mother but Felix because the rest of her brothers live and does not hold resentment or hatred towards their father deciding to forgive

Many Clytemnestra stan say that Clytemnestra is punished by the patriarchy and did nothing wrong but they forget the parts where she used the Trojan women as spoils, enslaved her daughters and tried to kill Orestes and also forget that Iphigenia in some versions asked her to take care of her brothers (something that Clytemnestra did not fulfill), Electra is underestimated by Clytemnestra apologists and her actions also to villainize Orestes who is just a child

If the myth of the oristeia is to say that mothers are only incubators, but Electra's actions show that women still have power (she supporting Orestes to take the throne usurped by his stepfather) and showing an authority figure to her brother, even in some statues they put her as the highest than Orestes, something that only happened with mothers....

Orestes at the trial not only frees himself from the furies, he also frees his family, supported by his sisters and his uncle, Orestes kills the worst version of himself by killing Clytemnestra (one who was initially a victim but became a victimizer) ending a cycle of violence

I'd be burning with you if that were the case tbh.

As I agree with the whole "Both Agamemnon and Clytemnestra do some awful things" and how people hate on Agamemnon and put Clytemnestra on a pedestal which is really really annoying. Honestly I don't have too much to add as you've already laid it all out very well.

I spoke about it a bit before but where is the feminism in a mother throwing away her children for her new partner? (Modern day we hear stories about how that fucks the children up, y'all don't think it was the same back then?) Where is the feminism in killing the victim of the man who has caused you pain? Why is feminism always more "loved" when it's "violent"? Why can't women just BE? Why do women have to be violent in order for her story to be feministic?

Cassandra wasn't even one who behaved as a "homewrecker" who revels in destroying families. She was literally just trying to survive in the situation she was now in. She was a concubine for fuck's sake!

I really don't understand people villainizing Electra and Orestes so much. Like I'm sorry but if your mom, after killing your dad and making this new guy boss, THREW YOU OUT. I don't think you'd be very happy either. Why do people ONLY care about Iphigenia? Does her love for her siblings not matter?

People who genuinely revel and go absolutely bonkers about their Girlboss Queen Clytemnestra killing with no sign of like, irony and/or like, goofiness. I love Penelope who is constantly praying for the suitors to die. I joke about Odysseus' "Bother the wife, you get the knife". But like, yeah, THEY FUCKING KILLED PEOPLE. THEY'RE MURDERERS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S FINE IRL FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

And even then like, if it WAS just Agamemnon, then that'd be more understandable, still fucked but understandable. HE was the one who did the "deed" I guess. BUT YOUR OTHER CHILDREN RECEIVING CONSEQUENCE? WHAT DID THEY DO OTHER THAN EXIST?!

And oooh, I love the parallels between Menelaus and Agamemnon so much. The messed up brothers. :') Some really cursed guys.

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