#I’m a bit sad john is never mentioned because we know seamus dever is a good singer

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Who wrote Eden’s Gate’s songs?

Of course, the person who actually did is the game’s composer, Dan Romer, but who is supposed to have written them in the Far Cry 5 universe?

A popular assumption (often presented as fact) is that Jacob was the cult’s songwriter. I suppose the rumor started because of this line said by “Cult Security Male 04” (CSM4 for short from now on):

Have you heard anything as heavenly as the music Jacob makes for us?

To my knowledge, this is the only time in the game that someone implies Jacob “makes” music. While it could signify that he composed it, it can also simply mean that he plays it for other people, which is something we know he does when he uses “Only You” and his music box to condition recruits.

The first reason I believe CSM4’s comment was actually about Jacob’s training techniques rather than the cult’s songs is that Resistance NPCs sometimes mention “Jacob’s music” too, but when they do, they say he uses it to train his soldiers and that it messes with people’s brains, which suggests they’re talking about “Only You”.

The other reason is the context of the line. In the game, each line of dialog is triggered in a specific context, and we can know what that context is in the files. Here, the context of CSM4’s line is:

contextual_idle_filler_region_north\Theme\Regional_Resistance\Resistance_Level\Res_Level_3

It means it can be heard anywhere in the Whitetail Mountains region once you reach Resistance Level 3. It’s a generic comment and the character isn’t reacting to the cult’s music specifically.

This matters because NPCs can react to the cult’s songs when they hear them. In this case, the context is:

reflex_singing\Song_Cult_ANY

And when NPCs make comments about the cult’s hymns... no one talks about Jacob being the songwriter. The only person they mention, several times, is Joseph.

Resistance fighters and civilians will say:

Thanks for the earworm, Joseph.

A song for the sheeple, written by Joseph Seed.

Music for the lunatic fringe. Thanks a lot, Joseph. Dickhead.

And cult members will say:

Oh, Joseph's music always puts a smile on my face.

Joseph's songs give me life.

My favorite song. Praise Joseph.

I love Joseph's songs.

Joseph is a gifted songwriter.

This is why I personally believe that the person who wrote (at least some of) the cult’s songs is actually Joseph, not Jacob. In my opinion, the comment about the oldest Seed brother “making” music is most likely a reference to him using it to train people.

It’s also worth mentioning that cultists will sometimes say this in the Henbane River region:

Faith's song and the Bliss is like a match made in heaven.

Faith's lyrics just speak to me on so many levels.

This could mean Faith also wrote a song (most likely “Oh The Bliss” because she frequently hums it), but the lines are generic comments and not reactions to the cult’s hymns, so they could simply be about her singing the song and not necessarily about her being a part of the creative process.

So, in the Far Cry 5 universe, which Seed sibling wrote Eden’s Gate’s songs? Contrary to popular belief, there is no definite proof that Jacob did. Faith might have worked on at least one, and nobody says John has ever written music. However, NPCs clearly say that Joseph wrote several (if not all) of the cult’s hymns.

And, according to “Cult Follower Female 04”, the Father does more than just compose songs…

You haven't lived until you've heard Joseph sing this live.

…he performs them to his congregation, too!

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Who wrote Eden’s Gate’s songs?

Of course, the person who actually did is the game’s composer, Dan Romer, but who is supposed to have written them in the Far Cry 5 universe?

A popular assumption (often presented as fact) is that Jacob was the cult’s songwriter. I suppose the rumor started because of this line said by “Cult Security Male 04” (CSM4 for short from now on):

Have you heard anything as heavenly as the music Jacob makes for us?

To my knowledge, this is the only time in the game that someone implies Jacob “makes” music. While it could signify that he composed it, it can also simply mean that he plays it for other people, which is something we know he does when he uses “Only You” and his music box to condition recruits.

The first reason I believe CSM4’s comment was actually about Jacob’s training techniques rather than the cult’s songs is that Resistance NPCs sometimes mention “Jacob’s music” too, but when they do, they say he uses it to train his soldiers and that it messes with people’s brains, which suggests they’re talking about “Only You”.

The other reason is the context of the line. In the game, each line of dialog is triggered in a specific context, and we can know what that context is in the files. Here, the context of CSM4’s line is:

contextual_idle_filler_region_north\Theme\Regional_Resistance\Resistance_Level\Res_Level_3

It means it can be heard anywhere in the Whitetail Mountains region once you reach Resistance Level 3. It’s a generic comment and the character isn’t reacting to the cult’s music specifically.

This matters because NPCs can react to the cult’s songs when they hear them. In this case, the context is:

reflex_singing\Song_Cult_ANY

And when NPCs make comments about the cult’s hymns... no one talks about Jacob being the songwriter. The only person they mention, several times, is Joseph.

Resistance fighters and civilians will say:

Thanks for the earworm, Joseph.

A song for the sheeple, written by Joseph Seed.

Music for the lunatic fringe. Thanks a lot, Joseph. Dickhead.

And cult members will say:

Oh, Joseph's music always puts a smile on my face.

Joseph's songs give me life.

My favorite song. Praise Joseph.

I love Joseph's songs.

Joseph is a gifted songwriter.

This is why I personally believe that the person who wrote (at least some of) the cult’s songs is actually Joseph, not Jacob. In my opinion, the comment about the oldest Seed brother “making” music is most likely a reference to him using it to train people.

It’s also worth mentioning that cultists will sometimes say this in the Henbane River region:

Faith's song and the Bliss is like a match made in heaven.

Faith's lyrics just speak to me on so many levels.

This could mean Faith also wrote a song (most likely “Oh The Bliss” because she frequently hums it), but the lines are generic comments and not reactions to the cult’s hymns, so they could simply be about her singing the song and not necessarily about her being a part of the creative process.

So, in the Far Cry 5 universe, which Seed sibling wrote Eden’s Gate’s songs? Contrary to popular belief, there is no definite proof that Jacob did. Faith might have worked on at least one, and nobody says John has ever written music. However, NPCs clearly say that Joseph wrote several (if not all) of the cult’s hymns.

And, according to “Cult Follower Female 04”, the Father does more than just compose songs…

You haven't lived until you've heard Joseph sing this live.

…he performs them to his congregation, too!