#I would also LOVE a HarIvy movie but if I am being honest I what I want thw most is an Harley origin story

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Hi, so I wanted to say that I get really uncomfortable when people sympathise with the Joker. The whole "Society made him like that" argument is getting tiring and hearing people say "Yeah he's a villain, but have you heard everything he went through?" is even more so.

And yeah, I too hope they'd give us Harley and Ivy rather than make another Joker and Harley movie again.

The thing is, I can see people empathizing (or sympathizing) with Joker. Because that's how much a good manipulator he is, that's how he gets people.

Narratively I can get behind that. Also because empathizing with a character at it's best it's different from defending/apologizing their behaviours.

I also understand people who have Joker as his favorite villain. Because that's what he is, a villain. Villains who make you hate and absolutely despise them are good villains, great even!

Because that's what they're here to do.

In case of people who defend his actions I won't fight with them, but I won't agree either.

In the end of the day people take whatever interpretation they want from the source material and that's nothing we can do about that.

And I do understand your reaction of that because it is a wild conclusion after all of he's done.

But the thing that gets me with the Joker is DC itself making him a poster card of "agent of chaos" and changing the narrative ater all he has done with other characters for that. Is making Joker almost destroy the lives of so many characters (Jason, Barbara, Bruce, Harley) and then brush off when isn't convenient. Is using Jokers violence as a tool for edge writing and refuse to work with general consequences and outcomes of it afterwards.

This is a problem that I've been having with DC as a whole, and Joker and Harley relationship is what been tickling me the most since that ridiculous 3 season of the animated show, the movies and other comics from the recent years.

They keep slowly trying to retrace Harley's origin to make it palatable because Woman's abuse in DC is only necessary if they're threaten as an object and a plot device. They were a-okay with portray Joker beating, dismissing, torturing and humiliating Barbara and Harley when it was convenient, when it was a demonstration of power, when it was funny.

The moment that the audience recognized Joker as an wife-beater, abuser, good for nothing manipulator. The moment the public stopped seen all of that rather than a demonstration of power but as acts cruelty and cowardice they backed down.

It's okay if Joker is terrible, but only if the narrative fits him.

Only if makes him a power fantasy.

The moment those stories started being portrayed as Harley's liberation and Barbara's strength they imediately changed and adapted in a way that makes their trauma brushed off and makes him cool.

And I am sick of that.