#I think she's a good character but I'm not feral about her like Edelgard or charmed by her like Claude or desperate to save her like Dimitr
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I love three houses discourse because I'm pretty sure everyone just picks their route based on which house leader they're the most gay for and then tries to defend their pick by pointing out the other sides's war crimes via twitter memes. Reader, all four of them do substantial quantities of war crimes. So many. We're just here because the woman with Issues and a big fuck-off axe said so, and then we gotta justify everything she did in the name of dismantling the class system. I mean, I'm here for that, but you could also try justifying Charm Man uses poison and perfidy to try to stop racism, A Sad Little Meow Meow gives no quarter instead of doing therapy, or the Thicc Pope tries to bring back her mom via human experimentation, depending on your tastes
#This is 100% swinging at a hell of a hornet's nest#Do I tag it?#Yeah fuck it we ball#fe3h#fe16#edelgard von hresvelg#claude von riegan#dimitri alexandre blaiddyd#rhea fire emblem#I should probably clarify that I love all of these characters quite dearly#Well except Rhea#I think she's a good character but I'm not feral about her like Edelgard or charmed by her like Claude or desperate to save her like Dimitr#discourse#edelgard discourse#Edit: I actually don’t care about 3H discourse either way lol#there’s plenty of interesting shit to talk about in this game#also I get that the people who say “x did war crimes” actually don’t mean “this was bad because it violated the Geneva Convention”#but any time I see something about how many war crimes someone did (usually Edelgard or Dimitri) I just think:#“Hah it’s a war crime to deploy Cyril to rescue Flayn because he’s still 14 then”#also I got into this game because someone told me ‘so there’s a gal with an axe and trauma’ and I booted it up#and I have a friend who likes Rhea despite his moral reservations solely because ‘she’s hot tho’#and that’s also really funny#point is I don’t really wanna participate in most fe3h discourse cuz I have shit to do but this post isn’t meant to be a dunk on anyone#I’m not upset when I see it; it’s either funny or fine or sometimes right#I’m just gay for Edelgard and amused by the idea of applying the Geneva Convention to a world where it Clearly Isn’t A Thing
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the real thing of it for me is that I played cf first and as a result I can kind of understand, a hair, a sliver, where this stuff comes from because, since cf was a last late addition, there's just a lot less meat on the bones and more space to fill in and some people have chosen to do that with 2010-20s politics that do not gel at all with the few times edelgard tells you her plans and goals
and I mean a lot of properly understanding every character in the game (but especially the lords) is seeing what happens with them in other routes. in cf dimitri has not even lost an eye and seems like he is doing at least a little bit better than he is on the other routes as he hasn't been in feral hiding mode for 5 years and he's had his support system intact. meanwhile on other routes edelgard is using forcibly transformed demon beasts and actively working with the actual villains of the game -- and no I don't think the slithers are just an addition to fool normies into centrism ala your daisy fitzroys or whatever, because that is not something this game is concerned with lol. feel like people deploy this accusation about centrist both sides bad villains every time ever since they saw it done in a youtube video and it's just not something that applies here
and also I'm sorry to say it but cf is just unfortunately not super good. it's shorter than the other plots, the characterization sometimes involves a lot of idiot ball carrying, there's sometimes a severe tone problem like the bit where the game goes from edelgard lying and telling everyone rhea blew up fort merceus (it's weird how nobody ever brings this up!!!) to anime shenanigans from the other beagles. who btw are written way more seriously and with much more depth in silver snow, the route that was originally intended for them before cf got added in at the end. there's no fucking reunion anime clip after the skip?? it's actually vaguely unclear byleth even falls into the crevice or whatever because edelgard just suddenly shouts as byleth goes off screen?
also again, the delightful complexity of edelgard believing the ends have to justify the means or her suffering meant nothing, I find that super interesting. but that's not the character people want to write and while I -- kind of -- get it I do think that it's just less compelling
I'm editing this to add another thing which is that each route has at least one commoner in the pre-recruited class to provide the working class take on what's going on and dorothea, the ONLY pre-recruited commoner for cf and ss, has never been less happy with the war than she is in cf
anyway
conflicted complicated morally gray edelgard is just a more fun concept to me
#anyway edelgard is kara stanton in the poi au I'll never write. just so you know#fe3h posting#edelgard critical#fire emblem three houses#fe3h
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Aight I finished Azure Gleam. Here are some disorganized thoughts.
TL;DR it was ok. Best part was the character interactions, gameplay and storyline were meh.
It wasn't terrible. I was glad to find that it was more "what if this other stuff happened instead?" instead of "what if they never met Byleth?"
I don't love the gameplay. It's alright but it got pretty tedious, though admittedly I think I leveled too fast and things got too easy or something.
The story was underwhelming. As much as it was nice to see everyone get good things, it just wasn't compelling. It's great that Dimitri got revenge and never had a feral stage, but it didn't actually feel resolved at all. What made AM compelling was how he had to learn that revenge wasn't going to heal him, and that he would be wrestling with his mental illness forever. The moment at the end where he tells Byleth that he's going to visit his loved ones graves for the first time in years? So good! It's him saying that recovery is a process and he can grieve his loved ones instead of being terrified of their judgement! So like...great that he got answers in Hopes but I don't feel like he actually got better?
Shez was equally meh. She felt like a generic protagonist, almost annoyingly plucky. I just didn't get attached to her at all.
As mentioned, the character interactions were the best. It was nice to see the Faerghus 4 really addressing their trauma together, along with Dedue. It was awesome seeing Duscur soldiers in camp and being able to talk to them and get their perspective a little.
I was expecting more of Sothis. She was there for a bit and seemed to have strong feelings on things, but we never got more of an explanation of her knowledge of Epimenides. Also, when you defeat Thales, Rhea speaks about cleansing the world herself...I'm guessing she has similar beef with humans but plans to fix it more through control than through destruction? Or is she talking specifically about Agarthans? Idk still a lot of questions on all of that.
I'm interpreting Edelgard's behavior as like...having reverted to her child-self. It was really interesting but I wish they delved more into it. It honestly seemed strange that when she seemed to remember Dimitri, he just decided to walk away and not deal with it. I feel like he's cared about that a lot and he gave up on it really quick in the name of forgetting the past.
Other thoughts aside from things I've already expressed elsewhere-
- Byleth my beloved. Her interactions with Jeralt were my fave part of the game.
- Jeralt just being like "Yeah Byleth's weird. She's my world tho. If I die try to be her friend aight?"
- So much Faerghus lore, with the more casual stuff being most enjoyable, like Rodrigue talking about how people get super competitive in snowball fights.
- More Glenn characterization ❤️ His letter was everything I've wanted about him.
- Child: Did you see that big funny knight who's carrying entire carts of stuff?
Yuri:...oh my fucking god Dimitri are you serious
- Felix has a cat now it's canon
- Also canonized: Dimitri falling asleep facedown on his paperwork and people having heart attacks thinking he's dead
- Shez: Let's relax in the woods!
Dimitri: Haha someone could easily jump out and stab me in the back 😬
Anyway, idk if I'm gonna play the other routes after a break or just watch them at some point.
- Are we serious with Jeralt being like "you might have been a student or Garreg Mach...cause it's not like you're qualified to be a teacher lol" and Byleth like "hmmm"
- Ngl, I felt like Sylvain was stripped of a lot of his character. Again, this was long the lines of "glad everyone is happy but now there's no conflict"
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Okay since I'm going back and replaying three houses with the news of three hopes coming out and I'm bringing back focus of fire emblem back on the blog I want to make something very clear on my stance on Edelgard and her character:
Edelgard's character is - right after Dimitri's - one of the most complex and her actions and mindset post timeskip is very different depending on which route you play. And I love that.
Now, addressing the elephant in the room; why people like to hate her so much it can be summoned up to either two arguments either what she did to Dimitri (therefore turning him into who he is post timeskip) and how it's her fault and she is responsible for turning Fodlan upside down and bringing a devastating war on the land for five entire years with fighting against the church. These arguments are extremely valid.
However, they are also valid with showing that how she decided to go about the war (which granted was influenced and fueled by her feeling it was necessary because of those who slither in the dark) are flaws, a mistake by someone who is only 17 with no ruling or war experience besides the missions given by Garreg Mach - at this point in time she is still young and feels like this is the only choice she had. Her reasoning and feelings towards the corruption of the church to me is perfectly understandable, she was just young and went about it poorly instead of baring it until she and the other two lords (Dimitri and Claude) were in their respective thrones/rule and try to convince them to stand by her (which again granted: those who slither in the dark making her feel it to act right away) and lessening the damage to Fodlan with by flipping the 3 v 1 with the 1 being the church, which wouldn't erase all damage but it would lessen it by a huge bit and would've ended the conflict way sooner and then afterwards then those who slither could be dealt with. Now it wouldn't have been easy; especially with people from Faerghus being very religious and a very string allies of the church, but I think with Edelgard, Claude, and Dimitri's friendship pre timeskip being strong and all of them leaders of their resentful lands and in general them at this time being hypothetically older, I think they would've had a very good chance in doing this with the right time of convincing and 100% Edelgard being honest with Dimitri. But this is just my opinion on a way Edelgard could've went through went it but again with those who slither and a combination of mental health issues and trauma (again because of those who slither) its understandable why she did it but still understand the flaws with her plans and how it damaged almost everyone else around her.
Now, like I said depending on route Edelgard's character timeskip is very different. On one hand you have the more reasonable Edelgard in her own route where you also learn more into her motivations and she then becomes more sympathetic which works well, then on the other you have her in the blue lions route, more specifically, her in the last chapter of the Blue lions route where she has lost the reasonableness and basically loss the plot and deep meaning of why she went against the church in the first place and becomes the monster you see in that fight and afterwards when the fight is through and when Dimitri with all his heavy character development in tow lends out a hand and gives her the opportunity to make amends - she immediately goes in for the the hidden knife and ultimately then dies without listening reason.
Her and Dimitri are similar for a lot of reasons as you can see in their respective routes, their final character is very different from their self counterpart in the others route: Edelgard succumbs to loosing reason and Dimitri is still the feral guilt ridden murder he is in the beginning of the post timeskip. Both of these outcomes change because of their relationship with the player character and because you can only be allied to one depending on which one of their respective routes you take you can only help and change one of them making them no matter who accepts the help and development the other is still very damaged. No matter what they will mirror each other. Both are very flawed yet brilliant characters and they both deserve the amount of love the fandom gives them.
Tldr: Edelgard is a flawed character (like a good amount of characters in three houses are which the game does very well) but that characterization and her thought process changes depending on which routes story you play which gives her a bit of complexity and makes you have to think about which route version of Edelgard that you talk about her post timeskip; the sympathetic intentions in tact Edelgard you see in crimson flower? The back into the corner, lost the plot, monster turned, will die on what she thinks is right, won't accept help Edelgard you see in Azure moon? Or the betrayed by her own class and professor, emotional class with player character moments after the timeskip, "I wanted to walk with you." Edelgard in silver snow? I'm going to ignore gold deer route because I don't remember the interactions with Edelgard there that well besides the fact her death cutscene from silver snow/church route of reused and it sames very out of place with the emotion Edelgard has in that scene towards Byleth only really makes sense in silver snow so I'm not counting it in this route but I remember allying with Dimitri on the route for at least a little bit (also vice versa happening in the blue lions route) so since I don't remember I'm going to say she was majorly like how she was in Azure moon than crimson or snow but point still stands and both her and Dimitri are basically the worse flawed versions of themselves fighting each other without any positive change influence from the player character.
#fire emblem#fire emblem three houses#edelgard von hresvelg#non request related#moosh gives his dumb opinions
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