#I started this damn show liking megstiel and even to this day I consider it superior to destiel

[redlenai]

Twitter SPN is so funny, had a fun “argument” with someone but these are going to be my highlights that make me tilt my head like Jack

 Basically, you are forbidden from saying “found family” or that “X character deserved better”, or that there has been “queerbaiting on the show”, that’s automatically a Heller thing, therefore your argument is invalid and whatever you say will not be taken seriously independently if you’re not exclusively talking about shipping on the show, independently if you’re NOT a heller/destiel fan; you are automatically considered someone who wants “rainbows and happy My Little Pony kind of endings”

 That I’m a poor ignorant thing for believing that there is romance in SPN, actually not, I believe there was a fricking shirt-storm of hands of writers, editors, actors, producers, directors and more meddling with the story and the characters constantly that the show doesn’t have a solid identity like on the first 5 seasons. A terrible implemented confession that even if it was meaningful to Save the World, is useless if it’s going to be ignored and removed from the narrative (cofcof and not only they buried the gays but as well the heterosexual romantic interest of the other brother) and both brothers looked emotionless during the finale after they won as if they were drugged by the Turducken sandwich)

 They say they don’t “invalidate” your “Heller” opinion and again independently if you’re or not actually one, they claim you’re being pathetic, ridiculous, idiotic, (insert more insults here),  wasting your time and that there are more important things out in the real world... all said from an anti-heller exclusively made account, but if you were to speak to them with the same level of insults you’ll be “as problematic as the rest of hellers”, and if you call out the unfair treatment, they’ll make thousands of buts just so attempt to claim you’re actually the hypocrite one. They openly say they hate hellers and while claiming they “don’t put everyone on the same bag” they still prejudge, insult, assume everything that I could possibly think regarding the show.(Which is an impossible take since I change my mind and have several ideas coexisting even if they are opposites too)

They can say that you’re wrong, delusional, that you have been watching a totally different show, that this is a horror show where happy endings or sexuality have no place there and it’s only and solely about the brothers fighting the supernatural. They genuinely believe that characters like Dean are loved only for the bisexual undertakes and claim we reduce the character to a “stereotype” of homosexuality where that it’s his only personality (Like, yeah,they... don’t care if you’re actually queer/bisexual, if you identify with Dean you’re actually being disrespectful to LGBT and making a stereotype over him)  While you’re there letting their own version being able to coexist, not calling them wrong but that they have a different perspective and resolution over the overal message of the show. Not to mention that we’re all a bunch of disrespectful idiots for processing the show with a different interpretation than them and that “I’m the one being disrespectful”, like I’m sorry but I don’t even live in the USA nor told Jensen at his face that Dean must be Bi/The finale sucked/he is my bitch/to do homoerotic OPs with his soulmat--- brother.

They can claim that they are “studying audiovisual arts and know how to make a better show than your shitty fanfic. You’re wasting your time and complaining when there are bigger issues than your stupid little ship”, funny thing, I don’t make fanfics yet I do work for comics, I have won a few prizes, worked with editorials, made narrative and character development studies, have supported causes and being involved on IRL problems to try to solve them and such---- Oh no, I’m bragging and showing my privileges just to show my superiority to a fuck-hellers account, I’ve been building my entire artistic and author career just for the sake of this moment, I need to be realistic that just because I want Cas and Dean married (???) that doesn’t mean that it’ll happen, that I only care about these characters just because I see them as GAY but ignore all the other queer characters (The same characters the person claims are not important, not crucial to the main protagonists development, are not friends nor family, are only extras but seems that they only care about said characters just to have them as arguments to say “There are crumbs of representation, but since they are not your delusional gay pairing you don’t care about them”) and honestly, I’m that little weirdo who would watch several spin-offs, mini shows, novels, comics or whatever SPN related content without needing the brothers to be in there as protagonist and to even provide new characters that could appeal to a section of the fandom without “degenerating” the main cast if you so much consider it like that.

Oh, and since I’m a disgusting little Heller I actually only have to like one single headcanon about how the finale could have been and if you would have liked any kind of different ending even tragic, neutral, vanilla, strange, open, etc then you’re just contradicting yourself and making no total sense and continue to being delusional. (Mostly, because I said that I would have even liked an Ending where everyone dies and the world gets destroyed just like in Devilman, as if finally deciding the show to be tragic to the very end)

Final take, I got told to go “make silly little fanfics and comics fixing the finale since you hated it so much”, like, idk if it’s a hate-love relationship where you hate the content but still want more of it just for the thrill to complain about “dha gays continue making the show gaaay noooo”

[ladylilithprime]

All numbers divisible by 3, 5, or 7?

Ugh, math at three in the morning? XP

3: What season finale was your favorite/least favorite?

Hm. I really can’t pick a favorite, simply because every season finale is either bittersweet or very obviously leading Somewhere Bad. For the complexity, I’d have to say Swan Song is the leader, just barely edging out “Do You Believe In Miracles”. Least favorite is definitely season twelve, if only because it felt so sloppy and kind of rushed.

5: Which episode makes you cry the most?

I actually can’t answer that as I still haven’t seen all of the episodes, and my reasons for crying vary between gutpunch and rage, so… I dunno. We’ll see.

6: Which episode was the funniest to you?

Hands down, 6.9, “Clap Your Hands If You Believe”! XD

7: What’s your opinion on Megstiel?

Probably my favorite canon pairing for Castiel, and I’m sorry we didn’t get to see that explored more in the show.

9: Which episode title do you think is the funniest?

Tough choice there! I think I’m going to go with “Are You There, God? It’s Me, Dean Winchester”. Sorry, Dean-o, Margaret you are not.

10: What’s your opinion on Garth?

Answered that one!

12: Who is your favorite angel?

Castiel, though Gabriel is a close second!

14: What’s your opinion on Wincest?

You do know they’re brothers, right? ^_~ In all honesty, I can see it about as well as any ship for either brother, but I have to be in a certain mood for it and it needs to be handled with the utmost consent on both sides.

15: What’s your opinion on Lisa? (And Ben, if you want)

Lisa could have been great, both as a character and for Dean. I think the biggest problem was that she and Dean alway seemed to come together when they both needed different things from each other, and when Dean tried to be what Lisa was looking for it kept rubbing up against the fact that what he needed most wasn’t her. Both she and Ben were badly harmed, not by Dean being in their lives, but by his inability to be wholly in their lives because part of him was still on the road and in the Hunt, and by his repeating Mary’s mistake of “living normal” meaning no protections against the baddies he knew damn well were out there and would happily come a’calling for their pound of Winchester flesh, which he also knew could happen considering Adam Milligan lost his life to ghouls who wanted revenge on John Winchester for his killing their parent. Erasing her memory was a dick move and will in no way protect her from anything because sometimes it doesn’t matter what a person knows or feels for someone else, but what the bad guys think they know or feel– or know the first person feels for them. Overall, two great characters who were poorly handled by “plot”.

18: Do you have a favorite Dick (Roman) joke?

Probably a line from @rodiniaorzetalthepenquin ‘s fic Out Of Purgatory, “After you and Cas disappeared in a shower of exploding Dick….” (Go read it, it’s great!) Although Sam’s line about Dean using his computer for “More anime, or are you strictly into Dick now?” is priceless canon material. XD

20: Who do you ship Sam with?

Consent! (Also Castiel, Dean, Gabriel, Michael, Chuck, Anna, Max Banes…. XD Yeah, I think it would be easier to list who all I don’t ship Sam with. ^_^U)

21: What’s your opinion on Destiel?

Thanks, I hate it. No, really, you want to hear an unpopular opinion? Destiel in canon makes as much sense as the Joker and Harley Quinn, and is just as abusive and unhealthy. Harley should go be with Poison Ivy and Castiel should go be with Sam and leave the Joker to laugh at his own bad jokes somewhere he can’t hurt them anymore. Could it work? Maybe if Dean got a shitton of real, actual therapy and pulled his head out of his ass, or in an AU scenario, but as far as canon goes? Their friendship is already unhealthy enough and you want to add sex into it? (And let’s face it, most Destiel shippers do.) Thank you, please exit to the left, goodbye! (It takes a really careful handling and really fucking great writing to get me to read it, and you had better be bribing me with something amazing if you want me to write it.)

24: Do you read smutty fanfiction?

Not as much as I might if there were more of the pairings I want to read. As it is, the fics for my preferred pairings usually lend themselves more to plot than porn, with some notable exceptions.

25: Do you think Destiel will become canon in season 9? (Regardless of whether you want it to or not)

I really don’t. Oh, they’ll throw in some teasing here and there, but it would take the series ending for good before Dean, Castiel, OR Sam gets a canon relationship they can keep.

27: Which episode is the scariest to you? (Horror-movie type scary)

“The Benders”. As Dean put it, “Monsters I get. People are crazy.”

28: What’s your opinion on Sabriel?

I like it a whole lot better than Destiel, which really makes it frustrating considering how many times that pairing is used to “pair the spares” and give Destiel writers a couple of shipping cheerleaders. That said, there are Issues with the pairing itself that stem from canon, “Mystery Spot” in particular. Healthy communication and closure, or even just serious canon divergence is necessary for this ship to sail strong, but it can be done and done well! The frustration is still just as strong whenever it’s handled poorly or Sam’s very real and valid trauma is brushed aside or ignored. They both deserve better than haphazard narrative.

30: Do you have any friends off of the internet that watch Supernatural?

Sure do! At least three that I know of, including @jupiterjames , and probably a few more who don’t talk to me about it because they know why I didn’t go near Supernatural for years.

33: Do you like AU fanfics?

Sure! I usually have to be in a certain mood for them, and there are some AU scenarios I just can’t get on board with, but that’s a matter of personal preference just like any other aspect of fanfic.

35: What’s your opinion of Samifer?

Creepy and terrifying and an absolutely brilliant job of acting by Jared, both in “The End” and in “Swan Song”. (I would not ship them in a box, I would not ship them wearing socks, I would not ship them here or there– I WOULD NOT SHIP THEM ANYWHERE!!)

36: If you have an OTP, at what point did you start shipping it?

From the first moment I realized that it was possible to ship them, I have shipped Sastiel.

39: Which actor would you most like to meet in real life?

I’m told that Jared’s hugs are not to be passed up if given the opportunity, but in all honesty I want to meet Felicia Day.

40: If you could be any character on the show, would you want to? If so, whom? If not, why?

Answered that one!

42: What is your opinion on Sastiel?

You found my OTP! (Hey, you know me!)

45: What’s your favorite moment from any of the gag reels?

Answered that one!

48: What’s an unpopular ship you have?

If by unpopular you mean I ship I have that just really doesn’t have a lot of content, probably Samichael or Sam/Chuck.

49: What’s your opinion on Wincestiel?

Dean needs so much therapy…. ~is jabbed in the ribs~ Uh, I mean, yes! I ship that! It’s actually tied with Casabriel for my OT3.

50: Can you dig Elvis?

Leave the poor man to his rest, huh?

51: Do you listen to Carry On Wayward Son even when you’re not just watching a finale?

Sure, it comes on the radio plenty of times.

54: Do you think Sam should have completed the Trials?

Honestly, that’s a difficult one to answer. On the one hand, it’s entirely possible that closing the Gates of Hell would have been another “Nice Job Breaking It, Hero” moment this series is so fond of, creating a backup of damned souls with nowhere to go like we saw happen with Heaven, and it’s a popular theory that the two sets of Trials would mirror each other. However, I actually don’t think that the spell Metatron used to close Heaven’s Gates was even close to the real Heaven Trials, nor would it be in any way the same as the one for closing Hell’s Gates. We won’t know for sure, because Sam didn’t finish them, but Metatron’s spell ejected all the angels. Pretty sure Kevin would have seen if the Trials to close Hell were going to eject all the demons, considering he was banking heavily on all the demons being locked away so he could go home and not have to worry about Crowley and his demons breathing down his neck. That said, the Demon Trials were definitely taking their toll on Sam, but it’s all speculation as to whether that was because the Trials were killing him because that was the Trials, or because Sam’s demon blood was reacting badly to the influx of Power, or what. That’s up to fanfic authors to explore, but since canon didn’t take us in that direction we’ll probably never know.

55: How long would you survive as a hunter?

I’d do well enough, provided I wasn’t a victim of unfriendly fire, ie other hunters coming after me because they’re extremist assholes. I’d do better as part of the support system, running a hunters’ bar/restaurant and information network and phone tree.

56: What’s your opinion on Calthazar?

Balthazar deserved better than to be stabbed in the back by a Hell-corrupted Castiel.

57: Do you have a Netflix account? If so, what’s your username and password? Wait a second, just the first part.

I have no idea what the family Netflix username is since I’m usually not… using it? At all? Because my kids take over the television to watch Paw Patrol and Bubble Guppies and Daniel Tiger’s Neighborhood?

60: If you could change just one thing about the series, what would it be?

Fire BuckLemming.

63: What’s your opinion on Sam/Crowley?

I could see it happening, maybe. Crowley certainly respects Sam. The problem is that after Ruby and the continuous Sam-shaming over her that Dean/fandom does, Sam is really not keen to get involved with another demon like that, especially not after some of the things Crowley’s done to Sam and to people Sam cares about. Work with him as a wary ally, yes, but a relationship? Highly doubtful outside of AUs.

65: What’s your favorite (or at least a memorable) pop culture reference that has been made on the show?

Dean calling Sam “Velma”, particularly after Scoobynatural where we got canon Salma. Jinkies! XD

66: Just a random confession you have regarding the show/Asker makes up their own question.

I most likely would have continued to not watch this show if I hadn’t been drawn in by the fanfic first, and indeed actually started watching the show so I wouldn’t be breaking my own rules of not writing fanfic for a fandom for which I haven’t seen the source material when I inevitably gave in to the plot bunnies nipping at my vulnerable brain.