#I love bullying pargali

[ibrahimnerde]

What do you think about Ibrahim and Hatice’s relationship overall? Do you think that it was unhealthy from the start? Or do you think that it wasn’t so, that it was a healthy relationship at its heart and that they truly loved each other and it only broke apart because of the dire circumstances and the mental health problems they both independently had?

At first their relationship was fine , had crushes on each other and longed for this marriage to happen.They were great and very couple goals and they both wanted to have a normal family away from the drama. Both of them contributed in this relationship becoming toxic.

Let’s start with Hatice. Aside from her obsession with Ibrahim like he doesn’t come home due time or acting as if the world is ending while he is away, Hatice’s main problem is not being realistic. When she shattered Ibrahim’s pride and told him he is just a servant, she later expects him to live with her happily as if nothing happened. Same with everyone she “slip up” with. It is almost weird how she never realized how Ibrahim is distancing himself from her until he had been sleeping with Nigar for a good amount of time. Before that she thought everything was bubbly and everything was okay and when she finally starts realizing she doesn’t ask him. Hatice lack of realizing things is actually an evident aspect of her character. The fact that she is the only one who never realized that Ibrahim’s arrogance is growing….like even Mahidevran knew this but just kept quite. Ibrahim named himself “Sultan Ibrahim” but she was fine and she was still rambling about how Hurrem is a threat. Hatice ignoring the many warning signs around the relationship and pretending that everything is great is part of why this relationship fell.

Now into Ibrahim the biggest reason why this relationship is destroyed. He has a hugeee inferiority complex. Ibrahim wanted to dominate his partner but he can’t dominate Hatice even before their heated moment his ego was never satisfied that’s why he was flirting with Nigar cause she satisfies his ego. Plus it took him soooo long to get Hatice while with Nigar he got her in a sec. Anyway, his secretiveness towards Hatice ,imo, was him trying to satisfy his ego in any way. He wants to see her ,the imperial princess, desperate for him. Ibrahim never imagined that the little fragile Hatice would lash at him and consider him a mere servant that is at her and her family’s service….and he starts questioning reality. The heated moment triggered the already triggered identity crisis within Ibrahim. He probably felt somewhat “home” with Hatice more than with anyone else from the dynasty. Hatice ,like everyone else, reminding him that he is a slave made him distance himself and he never tries to give Hatice another chance despite the fact that it was all his fault from the beginning cause he was being unnecessarily secretive.

When the relationship is exposed and Hatice later forgives Ibrahim that makes him more arrogant. Only he can get away after cheating on the imperial princess. He might be a slave but he has the sultan’s sister wrapped around his finger, he got the sultan himself to protect him and honor him with positions and money. Ik this is historically inaccurate but Hatice allowing Ibrahim back fed his ego more. Actually in SO3 if you noticed in some moments Ibrahim is rather rude to Hatice and screamed at her that’s because he knows she is desperate for him and if she allowed him to get away with infidelity then she’ll allow him to get away with everything else.

This relationship was never gonna develop healthy anyway. Hatice is not fitted in the environment. She is rather naive and innocent for such a ruthless period. Ibrahim deserved to get executed from ep 1.

[ibrahimnerde]

Why do you think Ibrahim hated Hürrem so much? I am thinking of the Leo thing in particular. It wasn’t just a strategic move, he loathed her.

Imo because they are so similar to each other. Both wanted to be the closest partner to SS and both wanted power from SS. When it comes to origins and backstory, we know the most of that about these two.

Both of slave origins and SS broke traditions for them cause he loves them both which is something they don’t like. It is either him or her but never both. Hurrem was SS fave consort and Ibrahim was SS grand vizier so they were kinda equal power wise , maybe Ibrahim had more power as he was politically involved. So we could say they were jealous. Everything changes when Hurrem is free and married. Even if Ibrahim still has more power , he is a slave while Hurrem is a free married woman. Her hierarchy position is with free women like herself while his hierarchy position is with slave pashas.

We already discussed this but let’s go more in depth. In ep.42 after learning Hurrem and SS nikah he monologues

“The Grand Vizier of Ottoman Empire. the commander in chef of the glorius Ottoman army. The dearie husband of the Hatice Sultana of Ottoman dynasty. Ibrahim pasha, isn’t it enough? Won't this game of thrones end? How many more times will you spil blood? How many more times will you let your enemy to turn your heart into?How can a woman rival be ten times more dangerous and tough? Don't be surprised ibrahim. Don't be surprised Theo. She's a converted just like you...Alexandra from Ruthenia. You picked your own devil. You created her for Sultan Suleyman. You converted. you obeyed. you won. Obey again. lose against your greed. Lose so you'll have enough anger to”

The reason Ibrahim is shattered and devastated at her marriage is not just his jealously but also the feeling of being hopeless. She converted….she is married to the world’s most important ruler. He converted….he is reminded that he is just a convert, slave to his wife, slave to his best friend ,and slave to the empire that he has a high position in. A SLAVE

Let’s dive back in Ibrahim’s identity crisis. His conversion to Islam is never appreciated like Hurrem’s in SS eyes. SS doesn’t understand what Ibrahim is feeling , he preaches about how Hurrem converted out of love (which is a stupid boast on its own since when should conversion be out of love for a human not the god of the religion…anyway). Ibrahim is rightfully irritated (wait did I just defend pargali 🤭)….he is like “I converted too you know!”. Plus SS also sometimes remind Ibrahim with how much he blessed him with his high positions but he never reminds Hurrem how he blessed her with the marriage or Haseki title.

Now to the Leo thing. Leo was the only thing that if was exposed, Hurrem is done. There are two stages for this. First is making her kill Leo. Well he just wanted to break her…he wanted to make her fear him. He wanted her to know that he can easily destroy her and that her fate is in his hands. He thought she would lay low after this because she would fear him accusing her of adultery. I don’t think he thought for a moment that she’d eat the poisoned thing instead of leo. He had two scenarios 1.Hurrem wouldn’t be able kill leo and he’ll expose them. 2.Hurrem would kill leo and be so traumatized. The latter happened but Hurrem trauma will later flip the tables on Ibrahim when Sadika thing happened, She was traumatized seeing leo die but SS thought she was traumatized because of Sadika which doomed Ibrahim as Hurrem acted as if it was Sadika.

The second stage is the notebook. When Ibrahim suddenly got sick and his son dies, he considered Hurrem responsible of this so out of madness he grabs the notebook to expose Hurrem because he knows that even if SS forgives Hurrem for a lot of things , he’ll never forgive her for cheating on him that hurts his male , padisah ego. So Ibrahim asked Hurrem to read because he is stupid like did he really thought Hurrem would translate it right ☠️ then all of them three learn about Hatics attempt to suicide and Ibrahim fails to get a grip of that notebook again.