#I have a few distinct hyperfixations in Destiny that I am very knowledgable about and these are none of them

[makoredeyes]

Hey I have no clue how these ask things work, so I figured I just shoot my shot and see what happens.

So I've been rereading a bunch of old Destiny lore recently and I can't help but be a little saddened by all the amazing story elements that were added and then completely abandoned in game.

Dregen yor and the weapons of Sorrow (Honestly just rogue light bearers in general)

The Concordant Faction (Please Bunige I want a proper enemy human faction)

All the other cool alien races like Qugu, Sindu, and Clipse (Fighting the same four enemy types over and over again starts to get a bit repetitive)

Awesome locations like Old Chicago and Mumbai Push (I want to see more of what humanities golden age looked like)

ELIKSNI Guardians!!!!! (We’ve only wanted them in game for forever now)

And there’s still plenty more but these are just the ones off the top of my head. And after reviewing all these elements it makes what we currently have in game now feel a little underwhelming.

So if you had to choose something from destiny’s old lore to bring to the for front of the game now what would you pick?

And how do you feel about all these abandoned lore elements?

Well the first thing you gotta remember about 'forgotten' lore is Bungie LOVES to play the long game. We went YEARS without any answers about Nezarec, for example. And Lords Timur and Colovance went a decade without any mention at all only to make a lore cameo in Season of the Wish only a few months ago. I admit I wonder if they will keep this up with all the turnover that the company has had with writers etc. but it has been their strong modus operandi through the entirety of the franchise to circle back on seemingly long forgotten lore and characters. In fact this has been a running model of this expansion's Episode models, tbh. Hailing back to figures like Failsafe, Maya Sundaresh and Fikrul, not to mention freaking Skolas??!? Faces of the distant past, all of them. So when people say they are saddened by things being forgotten I take another lick of salt because I don't really believe in that. Furthermore, you've sent a rather peculiar checklist to make that point.

Osteo Striga is a literal brother to Thorn via synthesis of the Necrotic Grip exotic. Not to mention I would like to think Necrochasm probably counts as a Weapon of Sorrow as well and we got an update for it in Season of the Witch just last year.

The Concordat and Lysander have made a surprise return in the Allstar Vector lore in Season of the Wish

and the Qugu have an entire incredibly meaty lorebook Dynasty that was released with The Final Shape.

We've even seen a reference back to Old Chicago and the weirdness with it in the new Ice Breaker lore. *I don't think I've heard a thing from anyone about Lightbearer Eliksni before so I'd love to see what you've got on that.

What has definitely fallen by the wayside, yes, is the concept of Rogue Lightbearers, but as our understanding of Light and the use of Darkness has expanded, the notion of 'rogue' has kind of fallen away. "Dredgen" is certainly a thing of the past, and guys like Shin Malphur have gotten to fuck off into the sunset and retire. Am I satisfied with how that story ended? Not really. Would I be shocked if he bounced back into the story someday? Not at all. Because that's how Bungie plays stuff. And there are also still characters like the Warlock Jana-14 who studied the Necrotic Grips and later absconded with Osteo Striga who is still at large and unaccounted for, presumably running amok feeding her child so yanno. (fite me I love the lore on those lololol) Things aren't all sunshine and daisies. I will say, absolutely, the newer writing has lost some of its teeth. You look at some of the older stuff and how incredibly dark it truly is, and it's breathtaking. The Man With No Name is heartbreaking. The Last Days on Kraken Mare is chilling. I think that they're softening the story a little to appeal to a wider audience maybe. But not by a whole lot. I recall some extremely poorly camouflaged rape analogies with some of Osiris' descriptions of his imprisonment with Savathun and the way he was suppressed and overtaken. Saint's reaction, when he gets ahold of her and exacts revenge is incredibly dark. It's all very carefully metered. But this is all background lore. It is largely hidden in weapons and armor and equipment tabs. The Qugu got a wholeass book which is spectacular (and while there are only three 'chapters' they are HUGE much denser than usual pages in Destiny lore books). But you gotta read it. You gotta FIND it.

I don't think they've forgotten anything, but what I would change is how they present this stuff. Destiny tells some SPECTACULAR stories....but then it goes and hides it. The main stream episodic stories are shallow compared to the oceans of lore hidden in text, and usually much milder for more palatable consumption, but the best parts players and lore enjoyers have to know where to look to find, to the point where there's external third-party resources that have been built up like Ishtar Collective (bless them) and Destiny Lore Vault. That's not great.

And I can't help but look at like what Warhammer 40K does: all those INCREDIBLY GOOD books, and now there's games, and shorts, and so many incredible facets to tell their story, and they're all spectacular.

Bungie give us real books. Take these lorebooks and running threads you've sprinkled out through years and years... GOD give me O Hated Nezarec- his lore and his creepy ass acolytes and the horrible things that happen to his victims as a horror novel. Or the Drifter's story. Or ya'll know the one I'm crying for is the Iron Lords and the Dark Age. Give the frothing fannies a five part series following Crow around. They wanna make some money, get a good writer or six and crank those puppies out call them canon and cut them loose people will eat that shit up. Heaven forbid they do an animated series like Arcane or Castlevania. Can you imagine?? The world would end people would get so excited if it was actually GOOD. But they don't need to change the story. They just need to make it easier to get to. (and yeah, that includes how they're presenting the gameplay right now but that's a whole nother kettle of worms I don't want to touch)