#I don't need militant vegans in my life

[continent-of-wild-endeavor]

I'm just blocking empty blogs now, tbh. I don't know if they're up to anything malicious, and I haven't gotten the Hot Emoji Ladies following me. I had been thinking "well maybe they're just new users, & don't have any content yet bc they're just starting out finding interesting things to follow" but nah, I'm not going to remember to go back later & check.

I do go through & check the blog of every single follower, bc the farm content sometimes attracts a certain type of men (it's always men), and also bc I still feel weird about the times pics of myself/my body in things I'd knitted were being passed around fetish blogs. Oh you didn't know about leg warmer & knitwear fetishists? Happy Tuesday, now you do!

Things that get ya blocked: - Empty blog - Obvious bot - TERFs - Other bigots (various) - Antivax/January 6th/bunker prepper/globalist conspiracy - All porn, all the time - animal rights/militant veganism

Some of these ARE value judgements, but some are just ppl I'm choosing not to interact/share my stuff with. If I didn't find it in a casual scroll down your blog, you're probably getting away with it. Are you just a regular non-animal-products-eater, and you seem capable of being cool about it? You can stay. Do you post/reblog about your various interests, one of which is pics of sexy/naked people, alone or enjoying a sexy time together? That's fine, it's just nothing-but-nudes blogs that I'm gonna say "no thanks" to.

Nobody needs my permission to follow me or interact with my stuff, to be clear. Those sorts of lists/posts have never been a reasonable way to expect ppl to interact.

Empty blog people, if some of you are indeed human: Just put the tiniest bit of effort into not looking like a bot or a creep. Any little proof of life that we can see there, & you'll get treated like a human. Otherwise, sorry, bye.

[veganfairie]

Heyo I am vegan 7 years and interested in aninmal right theory.

Any thoughts on The prey and predator debate? As a rule I never discuss this with carnists lol It relates to the question whether we should intervene in nature to save prey from the predators as it would stop suffering and death as we would want somebody to do if we where the victims (we would not want to die to feed a lion even even for the lions survival)

This debate is extremely interesting and at first feels radical I haven't made up my mind on it, I feel we can interfere on some level (wild life aid , breaking up crow fights etc ) I am not worried about violating natural law that is an appeal to nature fallacy but I would worry about militant policing of nature how this might effect wild life sovereignty (the book Zoopolis: A Political Theory of Animal Rights takes this route) (I would also consider comparing it to how we do not police uncontacted tribes in some cases ) ,and the big one the environment which needs some balance for everyone and lastly there is the debate on when it is appropriate to impose our own moral code on animals outside our care , being vegan is about our actions but obviously we do need to consider other things that hurt animals just like we do with people.

I think ideally that we do have the obligation to try and find other solutions to this conundrum as there is much suffering in nature that can be solved I remember discussing with a scientist who refused to help chicks that got smashed by their parents and did not support others doing so as if nature was sacred to me that is just to far, obliviously we have enough problems dealing with how we effect animals more than they effect each other, but I think it is an interesting part of aninmal rights theory. .

Hello, thank you for sending me this, it is very fun/interesting to read and answer :)

I do have a bit of thoughts on this. Unfortunately I can't translate everything into english as well as I'd like but let's try~

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I think preventing prey from dying a painful death sounds wonderful. I would love if we could do so, without causing other harm. But when I think about how this would go in practice, (or rather how I think it would go) I'm against it. The gazelle and lion are both equally worthy of happiness and life.

It would feel very wrong to interfere since I was never included here. It's not my right to police every other being. They shouldn't be punished just for being them. Every animal has their place and I don't want to take any away.

I also have a fear that inserting ourselves into a situation like this on a grand scale could be dangerous, when remembering every other way humankind has managed to damage the earth and it's creatures... 🥀

I really agree with you on what you have said! We can help the most by simply taking care of the earth, not littering, saving water, being plant based etc. We should also treat wounded animals and support and/or be part of good wildlife conservation projects and nice stuff like that! We can't change everything but changing what we can is everything 💗

[scentedchildnacho]

Zara chowdhary violence between Hindus and Muslims.....the Baha'i center told me if I have extreme aversions to Hindus practice like veganism or fasting or any type of self restriction that the northern Irish wars and migrant jails between white protestantism and European Catholicism is more what I experience

I notice it is more populated Muslim areas like Milwaukee Wisconsin in its corporate function with Chicago and Sikhism and any type of vegan spirit is evil and has to be excorcised

They believe in science and victorian dogma is insanity

If I was around the Hindus in San Diego...they to me appear to be fading like any religion and fill their function obligatorily....but don't ask for a lot of importance ..

If it's Hindus I around the hare Krishna center was very frightened of helicopters though if it's Arizona to Mogadishu the type of gq ultimate terrorist with his helicopter frightens me

If it's Muslims if it's British Pakistan if your going to be a creepy wants to be paranoid with pound cost of living to dollars earned just get away from me

If it's British Pakistan and their buy it just get away from me

Inflated jobs and voodoo.....if your going to inflate wages just to get paranoid get away from me

If it's Indian Muslims or Afghanistan Muslims if their suppose to bring me aspects of the international company I cannot do they do do that

British Pakistan......tells me they have understood my modernity as in absentia i.a.....but never delivers any required product adjustment or lesson...

The Hindus I think are more indigenous then Indian because they will follow take care of treaties to militant related issues my birth fathers friends were Vietnam veterans and I don't know that under those p.o.w. agreement sanctions

Poor white people should have obligations to reform and take care of the criminal aspects of life....I think the Hindus about reform explain to me to understand many wardens as finally who was good to them they were Hindus

You can't really find information on European concentrations and the Jewish myth that exists without western indoctrination unless it's Hindus

Food not bombs is really commercialized

Ikea...that's bad decisions though

I think there was a lot of muslim vanity that they are who truly believes in all the semitisms...that they believe in Jews and Christ and Muhammed....so I think it's actually a Hindus temple site because it's Hindus that truly does believe in Jews like Jesus

White protestantism...this is new and the old restrictions are not necessary...so if I'm around Catholicism it's those people will still stand and kneel in practice just to cure a pain that is already cured immediately by belief

You need to believe that Jesus saves you through faith no matter what Jesus loves you

And you don't have to read and write you can go to mother God right now

And I was told that was bad and that I have to do penance to strict good actions to accomplish better and now I feel like a snobby prude

Tough love from Catholic government I don't appreciate neck injuries to the little lambs or myself

Heshmat personal chef.....or hash brown...she kept calling him hash brown...

When it comes to infectious disease I am frightened of criminals that have been detained so long that they may spread something in reckoning

And that's if you meet alternate indie characters that need to be taken care of the Hindus can save us not Muslims

There is apparently some allegation the Muslim influance in northern areas could legislate preventatively and was in some way incapable or negligent....

I couldn't make it to the Muslim mosque in Temecula California because there were these construction blockades....

But the Afghanistan business aspects showed me simple remedies in cognitive science to free me from Jewish types that defect in ways to nazism and admit blood thirst

If it's them paranormal attacks are best remedied by where I come from and habits I have always known to do....

Hair not hair...why does it matter....

The vampire lady at the Jewish respite wanted me to believe in men in black all around me....and I find that metaphor about the vermis part of the brain and desires to gas me as a rodent

If it's business around Muslims it's very different cognitive points on my head that are a lot more important to my dental health and parasympathetic function

So I would say they do believe in Jesus though and hidden files on concentrated Jews

No if I was attacked at community meals by very bad addicts the church produces football.....and I blame my uncle the Greek ..

Its my uncles....that are veterans and they could have organized a long time to exercise more trade social control over male conduct that will traitor to idi amin like dictatorship and wouldn't do anything

Its been my whole life that the church does not take any responsibility about wanting to enlist males for sport ability not social conscience

[dorkery]

1) to be fair I know the bare minimum about Christianity and Judaism but I'm happy to share Muslim Facts

2a) While you are correct, I can't fault vegans for wanting to minimise harm because I also live in close proximity to Buddhists who don't eat meat and also try not to hurt even ants (though that is also coupled with the belief in karma and reincarnation). There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be as kind as possible to other creatures, be they animal or not. The question is can you force that system of belief on others? And is what constitutes harm/care the same to other groups? The answer is no.

2b) Yeah so like, I think what people have to do is just accept that we are okay with keeping some animals as pets because cute, and some as livestock because delicious. We value different animals for different things and there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Cats aren't inherently better than cows (okay this is my academic position not my personal bias which is that cats are the fucking best), but I value them differently - they are excellent for companionship, destressing and wasting time. Like, it's the bread and roses argument. Sometimes I feel like people have lost the personal connection with food/animals? Like I grew up frequently seeing animals being raised and slaughtered for food - some of the same ones kept as pets - so I don't feel particularly upset when I see a chicken carcass or a whole fish at the market. That's where your food comes from. That's what it looks like. So yeah, related to previous point: We're part of the life cycle of eat and decompose and become nutrients for plants so like... embrace it. (also, have a good supply of coffee if you eat mostly plants because pooping becomes a nightmare with that much fibre intake)

2b2) YEAH I JUST LIKE........LOVE PLANTS. And I think being okay with eating them because they don't resemble humans is stupid. Plants are on the same level as animals, man, they just have a completely different system which we haven't learned to decipher yet. And also I wish I could live on their timescale.

3) blech. And I have had fermented horse milk

(it's been 2 decades I think - had it once in Saudi and absolutely hated it. I remember it being very rich, and it was served to me warm. Tasted like milk but very much not cow's milk. Also I am extremely lactose intolerant being from SEA so like... I am kind of incapable of appreciating dairy products, with the exception of cheese and ice cream AND BUTTER)

Disclaimer: I am not okay with factory cruelty, in case this comes up. Also, according to Islamic law, slaughtering cattle by draining their blood through a sliced jugular + carotid + windpipe is considered the most humane way to slaughter them so. This is absolutely a case of different beliefs of what constitutes cruel and humane if the kosher/halal slaughter method is something you don't like.

FTR: while the prophet Muhammad may have loved camels, I ABSOLUTELY HATE THOSE STINKY BASTARDS

Okay so. Not necessarily because I want to be part of the discourse. But.

Vegans can do and eat whatever they want on their own. But keep any sort of proselytising to themselves.

I don't have a moral obligation to be vegan. By the strictest interpretations, veganism is, in fact, against my religion (which is Islam) (but of course as we enter into a more complicated and modern era, veganism isn't PROHIBITED because it does not harm but neither is it actively encouraged because it is a neutral practice)

1. We slaughter and distribute cattle during specific Muslim calendar days/months for the sake of charity and religious faith (Qurban: aka feast of sacrifice where Ibrahim was ordered to slaughter Ismail but then Allah was like Thanks But Pls Do Not and now every year we ritually slaughter cattle to commemorate the event and also feed the community)

2. Honey is a favourite food and we even have a specific surah in the Quran about the honey bee (An-Nahl) because Allah is like FUCK YEAH I WENT OFF WITH BEES

3. Respect for the animal because we consume it and use parts of its body - and also because animals praise Allah by being their very animal best in that very Muslim tradition of "things do things differently and you can't equate different living things with each other as that is not how things work but all things worship Allah anyway so". So if you want to swear off animals, by all means. But if you choose to consume or use animals and animal byproducts, you MUST respect the animal and waste as little as possible. (This is also reflected through fasting and Ramadan and the halal slaughter laws)

4. Allah is like "oh shit I fucken LOVE animals have you SEEN THE ANT" and says people should emulate the praiseworthy qualities of animals and......animals eat other animals. So. Eating other creatures IS part of nature and there's nothing morally wrong with humans eating animals.

So yeah. Veganism is fine for you personally as a choice (and may have come out of some new philosophical movement regarding protectionism), but calling others evil or immoral for not practicing it is not only gross, it fails to respect the traditions and beliefs of other cultures and religions.

BTW if we wanna talk sentience, plants are sentient and live on a timescale we can't even comprehend. They have feelings and can also wither or flourish depending on their environment, including negative and positive stimuli. Its been proven that plants CAN touch, see, hear and smell. And we frequently eat baby plants before they come to full maturation (bamboo shoots my dudes are the BOMB). And yes, there are also carnivorous plants (which we turn into lemang periuk kera) which suggests an incredible diversity in the plant world that we can't even comprehend and are still learning about every day.

Anthropomorphising animals is just not something we do here in my part of the world, and neither do we anthropomorphise plants. And so there is no moral quandary on their consumption. We have to treat them with respect while alive, during slaughter, and after. That's all I'm morally obligated to do.

[flishlish]

There are so many anti-veganism arguments I hear that seem a little odd. I'll preface by saying I'm not vegan, I was vegetarian for some time, but my life has changed in ways that make more difficult now so i just try to eat less meat. I think there are legitimate complaints to be had about the way some vegans talk about veganism, but that's not what I'm here for, this is arguments about veganism itself.

One is that they use ingredients that harm humans instead of animals. But veganism doesn't require those ingredients. And meat eaters also use them! Like so many health nuts in North America love to eat quinoa and agave and also eat meat. Probaby by total numbers more non-vegans eat them. And there are other foods that can be used as common substitutes for things like honey, such as maple syrup, or sugar. If you specifically dont like these ingredients, criticize that not veganism. And the meat industry definitely has a human cost! They are burning the rainforest in Brazil for cattle, and your local meat packing plant might have awful working conditions.

I've also seen people say, well, they use up more farm land growing vegetables. But what do you think the animals you eat eat? In an ideal world, livestock would be grazing on marginal pasture land that isn't suitable for growing crops. And for a truly sustainable agricultural system we would likely need that as part of our food supply. But unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world, and most cattle lives on corn grown in space we could grow other things. And to get to that ideal world, everyone is going to need to eat fewer animal products. So why go after the people who are trying to shoulder that in the mean time.

And when people point out that shearing sheep is good and eating honey doesn't hurt bees, that's not actually an argument against veganism imo, its just neutral. I think it mostly gets (rightly) brought up against militant peta types, but I also see it thrown in there when people are just bothering random vegans about their life choices.

[sharkfish]

Just to inform you and not meant maliciously because I like you, but to produce meat, a lot more plants are needed generally as food for the animals. It is said that for every kg of beef produced go 10-15kg of grain. So for non-houlier-than-thou-vegans it is clear that it is impossible to live without causing harm, it's about trying to live making as little damage as possible. I don't know whether plants feel pain, but if they do, I would kill more plants eating meat. Okay, have a nice day! ♥

Dude… I don’t care. I’m not the one making a moral claim about my diet while thinking non-human animals are more important than actual people. Research on both plant and animal cognition is fascinating and we’re learning a lot of wild shit, but I’m not interested in someone claiming some sort of moral superiority because they consume non-animal products that are created on the backs of exploited human workers. 

People are more important than non-people. By people, I mean “a sentient thinking agent with a mind.” 

But, uh, I’ve spent time with cows, and they aren’t people. 

My point is that if “ethical” vegans care about non-person life so much, one of these days they’re probably gonna have to stop eating plants too… or the mental gymnastics to get around the idea is going to be bizarre and entertaining. 

Eat whatever you want, I don’t care, but I don’t have time for people who think they’re more moral than me cuz they don’t eat eggs*.

Honestly I don’t even care about this wank. It was just a joke cuz plants are cool and militant vegans are ridiculous and misguided. 

[nerdykeith]

The slaughter of animals for food cannot in any way be compared to the murder of humans. Slaughter IS humane. Murder never is. Also, animals are NOT humans. But seeing how I can never get you militant vegans to care about the humans enslaved to harvest cashews (because they're not white they don't matter to militant vegans) or the fact anti-vaxxers like to claim your diet can "cure" Autism, homosexuality, transgenderism, etc, I guess you don't really care about reality at all.

Ok a few things to unpack here.

The thing is when I am arguing a point be it an LGBT issue or any other human rights issues and animal rights issues; I tend to use analogies to get my point across. While it was not my intention to directly compare human to non-human abuse, there is still an intersect between the two. It is all about control. We as human beings need to stop seeking to control others.

Nope slaughter is not humane, it is literally playing God and deciding the livelihood, life quality and duration of life of another living creature. Why should we have the right to do so? Btw it is a scientific fact that humans are in fact an animal species,

I’m not a militant vegan actually, just a common sense vegan who is honest. Since I’m also a humanist I do care whenever any human beings are enslaved, used or abused in anyway. The very fact that your bring this up, proves my point that there is this connection of control in how we abuse animals and our own species. I would very much advocate for a much more ethical means to harvest cashews or any plant based food. Instead of assuming I support this, you could have simply asked my position on this. I am against slave labour. This is why I also boycott Nestle as they have been one of the main corporations responsible for this practice.

For your information I am both gay and autistic and I am most certainly not an anti-vaxer. Yes vaccines for now contain some animal products, but we need to put a priority on our own health. You see veganism isn’t about perfectionism, it’s about causing as little damage as is practically possible. I’ve recently just had my second Covid booster vaccine along with a flu vaccine. I’m glad I did it and I don’t regret it.

As an openly gay man I do not agree that one’s sexuality is something to be cured, nor do I agree that autism can be cured. This is yet again another case of you failing to ask my position, and instead wrongly assuming my position. I suggest you ask my positions before assuming. It creates better dialogue of understanding. And you accuse me to not care about reality? Reality is not based in assumptions, so stop making them.

[cripplepunk-sylveon]

Why would you need to feel guilty if you don't eat animals? i'm confused 😮 wouldn't it be a good thing if possible? I mean, since growing food for livestock is destroying the rainforest and isn't adopting a plant based diet one of the biggest things an individual can do to combat climate change?

As gently as I can manage: no, it's not that simple, and a plant-based diet as most folks think of it is not inherently better for the environment. Nothing any group of individuals from the general public can do will counteract the damage being done by big corporations.

tl;dr: A PBD is not inherently better for the environment, it highly depends on where you live and what you can/should buy, and many folks don't understand nor want to understand that. The history of food is a history of colonialism and violence and we need to address that, especially when it comes to veganism in North America and the importing of non-native foods to support it.

Full essay under the cut that I never meant to write but it sure did happen

Is it possible to go on a plant-based diet (a PBD, for future use of the term, because it will be popping up plenty here) within a localized area because it's more affordable/better for you/better for your environment? Yes. But it takes work to do so. As in, research, a willingness to buy and grow local, and an acute awareness of what the invasive species of your region are.

The unfortunate truth is that many people are unwilling or flat-out incapable of doing said research and work. They just want quick and easy access to plant-based food because they've heard somewhere that it's better and more humane than raising animals for meat/dairy/eggs. This is only possible because we live on colonized land, where we've created a massive distance between us and the origins of what we eat- and brought in non-native animal and plant species to reproduce what our colonizers eat, regardless of the impact on the land and the people. In fact, this was done very much on purpose. Native people reliant on colonial food systems are less likely to cause a ruckus, because they can just be starved out.

For an example, let's look at the Canadian North. The Inuit have hunted whales, seals, caribou, polar bear, and arctic char during the cold months in a sustainable fashion for thousands of years. Inuk people will hunt a single whale and feed their family for a year- never mind the uses for whale oil, baleen, and whale hide. They would use every part of the whale that they could find a use for, nothing was wasted. Nowadays, though... their traditional foods are called "barbaric" and "cruel", and hunting traditionally is frowned upon, while we ship fruit and vegetables that cannot be grown in permafrosted soil up to them and charge them as consumers for the cost to us. Here's a video from 2013 talking about the issue. From 2013! It's still happening now!! I would never recommend a PBD to someone living in such a situation because of both the expense and the destruction of the traditional hunting culture of the Inuit.

Before anyone tries to say I'm shitting on folks who can't eat meat- I'm really not. I get it, the lone star tick is an asshole of epic proportions, and allergies are a fuck you from the universe- I myself can't eat eggs! And they are in EVERYTHING! If we can accommodate allergies and dietary restrictions we absolutely should. I like to think there's a particularly shitty corner of the universe for people who think allergies are a joke or just someone being picky. But those are not choices. Those are required restrictions to keep the person alive and healthy.

Going vegan to "go green", on the other hand, is 100% a personal choice. Unfortunately it's also one frequently shaped by misinformation and propaganda. Vegans never really consider where their food comes from, and because the vast majority of them are city-dwellers who have access to a grocery store, they don't feel like they need to. It's not affecting them personally, so they don't care.

They should though. Many of the plants they rely on for food cause massive ecological damage, way more than growing feed for cattle, chickens, or pigs. Quinoa is farmed using child labour, and the sharp spike in price as white diners demand it- combined with the fact it's a thirsty crop that uses a lot of water that the locals also used as drinking water- kind of destroys any good it's doing by being a "superfood" (It was not a staple crop, however, and has done a little bit of good. Emphasis on a LITTLE BIT). Avocado is facing a similar situation- it was a staple food for the people growing it, now they can't afford it and they're resorting to inhumane measures to grow enough of it to meet white settler demand. (Also, if they fail to pay their cartel fees, they're very likely to have their farm burnt to the ground or worse. El Narco has their fingers in EVERYTHING, even in fruit production.) Cashews are mainly grown and processed in India, where workers suffer low pay and sweatshop conditions and caustic burns to ensure we have them to snack on. Soy products were once the main destructive force facing the Amazon rainforest, and now it's threatening the Cerrado and the millions of species that call the region home while filling local water supplies with silt and grime. There's also hundreds of reports detailing the slavery afoot at soy plantations, AND it's causing topsoil to erode faster.

No, meat and dairy as industries are not without fault. I never claimed they were. It's not hard to find things wrong with beef and dairy, and you can thank militant preachy vegans for that. You can also thank them for those horrifying ads everyone with a certain app spent their first two weeks blocking and reporting with a fervor like no other to make sure they stopped seeing them. (Or, maybe that was just me, idk what tiktok's deal is with giving me PETA and vegan propaganda videos but I'd like it to stop.) HOWEVER. The actual people producing my food, working the land to raise animals for meat and whatnot? They know what they're doing. Many of them have been studying husbandry and animal welfare since they were in middle school at the latest. I trust them to provide a good quality of life for a cow, chicken, pig, or bison that will end up on my plate one day.

Besides, they don't see me eating jerky instead of something I'm deathly allergic to and tell me a horror story about how the cow who provided it was flayed alive (yes, this has happened, more than once- it wasn't even beef jerky, it was bison from a local ranch). They just let me snack in peace and we go about both our days.

[nightcoremoon]

no one told you to kill yourself and you don't need praise for, it seems that you implied, holding yourself back from raping someone. that's... really fucked.

“no one told you to kill yourself”HAHAHAHHHHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHA okay

show me where I asked for praise. I didn’t. all I said was that I’m a good person. I don’t need any praise from anybody else since mine is the only opinion my brain allows me to value. not everything is a personal attack on you, sharon.

by the way, I didn’t imply shit. I said that I really wanted to have sex with her, but she didn’t want to do it that night, so even though I wanted to have CONSENSUAL sex (OBVIOUSLY) I did not do it. I didn’t try to goad her into it. I didn’t try to guilt trip her into saying yes. I didn’t even have a fucking condom on me so even if she wanted to, if she didn’t have one in her apartment then it was not going to happen anyway. I’m not a fucking sociopath, you stupidass cuntmuffin. the word ‘rape’ never even crossed my mind, you’re the sick motherfucker whose thoughts went directly to rape. I wouldn’t ever dream of forcing someone to have sex with me. All I said was I really wanted to do it but I didn’t because I’m not a shitty terrible person. a shitty person would have made her feel bad for it and left and never spoken to her again. an evil person would have raped. a decent okay person would be disappointed but at least try to be respectful or nice or something. a good person is happy that she was taking care of herself. EXCUSE THE SHIT OUT OF ME FOR NOT EXPLICITLY OUTLINING EVERY SINGLE ITTY BITTY TEENY TINY AMOUNT OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND PUTTING IT ON A SILVER PLATTER JUST FOR YOU. do you understand in just how many different places my mind is when I’m dealing with a lot of information? it’s more than twelve, that’s for sure. maybe if you asked for some clarification instead of just ~ASSUMING~ then we wouldn’t be in this mess right now, but no, you had to just throw shit on the wall to see what sticks.

we literally fucking met at a workshop for communication, boundaries, and consent. dickhead. you don’t know shit about shit. I’ve been rejected by upwards of 40 girls and guys over the last eight years of my life. no enbies yet but that’s because I don’t have any friends who are. do you know how many of them I wanted to force into kissing or a relationship or anything? ZERO, BITCH. sure, some of them I really really wanted to but I accepted their no and didn’t break off any friendships with anybody over something that stupid because I valued their friendship more than the potential relationship. there was one girl who I asked out twice maybe thrice but I don’t remember through the fog of testosterone poisoning and toxic masculinity the exact number or situations, but I’m pretty sure that over a year had passed since the previous time. that was still kind of a dick move on my part but I have grown so much as a person since then. and it would be stupid to hold against me something I did years ago literally as an entirely different person. there were many people since then and I handled every single rejection with dignity and grace and only like a few minutes of feeling sorry for myself before moving on with my life. this one was no different than the rest. “oh well, no sex this time” was the thought that was in my head. not “do it anyway”, not “ugh dumb friendzoning bitch”, not “maybe I can talk her into it”, not “well then it better happen next time”, none of that shit. because I enjoyed and appreciated her company regardless of if we fucked or not since I didn’t go into the day planning on it. it was literally a spur of the moment thing, nothing more, nothing less.

you’re a slimy, spineless coward, hiding behind a shield of faux vegan enlightenment, bullying people on the internet for things completely unrelated to the original argument which was that you militant vegan fucks bully people on the internet for things completely unrelated to their original arguments about eating meat being evil. so go fuck yourself.