#I don’t get how Tony stans weren’t more pissed off abt this either bc like. surely you hate how ffh essentially reversed his character

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What was wrong with FFH that made you so angry?

oof okay so this is long, apologies for ranting abt old mcu & tony stark in 2021 bc I know most people won’t care but this movie made me unspeakably angry and just thinking about it is enough to make my never want to touch the mcu again.

There’s obviously general issues wrt MCU Spider-Man AND how much I completely fucking hate them keeping the blip in as a plot point instead of just having them reverse it, but the main issue with the film itself was that EDITH and the plot surrounding that was literally SO stupid both objectively and in the context of the MCU.

Tony basically left Peter these glasses which essentially would give him all of the power of Iron Man, including but not limited to: being able to spy on any citizen and have access to any of their private personal information and oh yeah, ACCIDENTALLY calling a drone strike on a bus full of teenagers. He is basically giving Peter the power to unilaterally enact justice and destruction on whoever the fuck he wants at a moment’s notice. It’s not a power anyone should have or even want, least of all a 17 year old. Except when he tries to bring up his concerns he’s dismissed and so he tries to give up the power to someone he considers more responsible but then it turns out that that is also the wrong decision because Mysterio is actually evil. And then Peter’s whole character arc over the movie is based around him stepping up to the responsibility and taking the glasses at the end, completely ignoring the fact that Peter is 100% perfectly justified in not wanting that kind of power because he’s 17 and it’s literally an insane amount of responsibility. The whole Spider-Man thing is with great power comes great responsibility and Peter actually did the mature and right thing by saying “Actually, no, I don’t think I can handle this responsibility so I can’t take this power” but that was framed as a flaw that needed to be overcome. Which is objectively a terrible plot.

And it gets even worse when you look at it wrt Tony and the whole MCU. I think there was a post I saw ages ago that explains it better but basically Tony’s character development in the MCU after his movies is just a mess, and it basically goes like:

Tony in TWS: there’s a bunch of fucked up shit that’s happened, having universal oversight and control over everything in the world to be able to take out threats before they get to catastrophe level will keep us safe, and this should be in the hands of an organisation like SHIELD.

Tony in AOU: right so it turns out that i was literally enacting HYDRA’s evil plans and Steve had to stop it. No way anyone could’ve seen that coming (apart from Steve who literally saw the fascist red flags from the very beginning, but let’s ignore that). Anyway, the ONLY reason that plan didn’t work because it was in the hands of an organisation like SHIELD which turned out to be corrupt and bad people used the perfectly good idea for nefarious purposes. However, the idea was good so to make it infallible I’m going to make the same thing but controlled by a super powerful AI.

Tony in CW: Okay so... another bust and more people died. But instead of admitting that creating Ultron was the main mistake, instead I’m gonna project my guilt about that onto the people that died while we were saving the world from Ultron and act as if that was the main issue and more oversight would’ve prevented that for some reason. And also ignore that Ultron being created mostly had nothing to do with enhanced individuals at all but with me fucking around with AI and finding out. I will somewhat reflect on the power a single individual should have but instead of making any personal changes or reflection I will instead advocate for all my teammates to be restricted even though their powers, unlike mine, are inherent to them, making it a lot worse for them because it’s literally controlling their actual bodies and how they can use them (but let’s skip past that because CW is not the main point of this and I have a lot more I could say). The point is that we should have accountability and oversight from a much less fallible body rather than taking everything into our own hands.

Tony apparently sometime before his death in Endgame: okay so ACTUALLY the solution is taking all of this great power, a lot more than even I had for most of my career, and give it to a 17 year old because I personally believe that he’s a good guy and has got what it takes. Because suddenly we’re past the needing accountability and oversight phase and into the “this random teenager from New York should hold the lives of thousands if not millions in his hands” phase. Even though I didn’t trust captain fucking america, an adult, experienced, long time superhero and soldier who literally saw the red flags in the SHIELD thing after looking at it for 2 seconds, to be able to decide where to throw his metal frisbee without UN oversight a few years ago. THIS is the ultimate solution to my ultimate question from the beginning of how to keep the world safe.

Like I hate to do Tony Stark discourse in 2021 but this was the movie that made me go “oh so they really will just have Tony do anything but it’ll be framed as good just because it’s Tony even when his actions are objectively wrong... okay.” I already felt that in CW but this was rly the last straw with the MCU for me, like it was really the movie where I was like “yeah this is all bullshit and no one in charge cares about actually making good stories.”