#I do think they'll be one of the first sibling pairs to reunite because there's so much there
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fromtheseventhhell · 1 year ago
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I'm sorry for coming to complain but I have something to say: I already know that in this fandom there are many opinions about what Arya and Sansa's relationship is going to be in the future and that we always complain that the Sansa stans talk about Arya as if she were going to become a servant of her sister, "one is the strength and the other intelligence", which are going to complete each other and all that shit (among all the other stupid things they have said) I agree with complaining about that because they are erasing attributes of Arya's character THAT SHE ALREADY HAS, and that we have always talk about Arya being a character apart from Sansa, someone who has her own story, her own purpose and that her whole character is definitely not reduced to just becoming her sister's employee after she always treated her badly in the their childhood.
Okay, I agree with all that. Those types of comments bother me too. But I feel that as a result of this very silly arguments have been born about why Arya and Sansa could never be friends because "they are very different, in personality, experiences and worldview" I'm sorry but I don't agree with that because, it is true that they are different, but let's not pretend that they don't have many things in common, and this goes beyond their personal characteristics or the fact that they share an entire family.
How different are their experiences? Yes, one is the red fortress and the other has to travel thousands of kilometers but in the end they both went through similar things. Both saw their father die, both were abused, both were beaten, both have been sold into marriage, both have been sexually abused, both have met cruel people and have had to pretend another identity to survive. The fact that it is in different contexts does not take away from the fact that they do have similar experiences, so that argument is very silly. And I don't say it with the intention of saying that Arya and Sansa are going to be the "best sister foreveh" I just hate that argument cause it dosen't make any sense, also throughout the asoiaf universe we have seen how completely different characters have had a great relationship come on.
Tyrion and Jaime are also wildly different and loved each other, Sam and Jon are also wildly different and no one is saying they could never be friends.
Also, it bothers me that they ignore the fact that Arya DOES care about Sansa, maybe Sansa doesn't care about Arya that much but Arya has always been fond of her sister, even when she was cruel to her.
Again, I don't come here with the intention of saying that they are going to be the best sister forevah and all that, I just hated that argument and also pls don't erase that from Arya's character either! that she has always been a good sister to Sansa, even if it was not reciprocated she was always loyal to her people, to her "pack"
Plus Arya and Sansa's relationship is definitely deeper than just "respect." Way more.
I feel like this is a good example of my earlier point that Arya stans need to over-explain points/theories to not have them taken maliciously (especially if they included Sansa). I still want to answer this in good faith though, because I don't believe you intended it to come off like that.
But I feel that as a result of this very silly arguments have been born about why Arya and Sansa could never be friends because "they are very different, in personality, experiences and worldview"
I will start by saying that the theories about Arya and Sansa not getting along aren't retaliatory to the fandom's perception of the "Stark Sisters 4ever". The idea of them not getting along is based on their conflict in AGOT, them being written as foils, George saying that they have issues to work out, and the fact that their characters haven't fundamentally changed since they've been separated (i.e. what's in the books). They've both been through a lot but trauma isn't a substitute for growth, and the issues they have will still exist. A big part of their conflict is Sansa's classism, which leads her to look down on Arya, and she has yet to grow out of that trait. If she reflects on this in TWOW then that's a different story. For now, we have to speculate with what we have. Not only that, but I could see Arya having less patience for her sister's behavior considering everything she's been through. There could be mutual hostility.
Tyrion and Jaime are also wildly different and loved each other, Sam and Jon are also wildly different and no one is saying they could never be friends.
As for this, the difference is that we're shown these characters having a positive relationship on-page. No one says Jon and Sam can't be friends because we see their friendship develop. Tyrion and Jaime eventually have conflict, but there's also a caring relationship built between them before that. Arya and Sansa have tender moments and fond memories, but their relationship is mainly antagonistic in the first book. If we had seen them getting along well before and, say, the trident incident had been the source of their conflict, that's an entirely different dynamic.
I just hated that argument and also pls don't erase that from Arya's character either! that she has always been a good sister to Sansa, even if it was not reciprocated she was always loyal to her people, to her "pack"
I don't think anyone with this prediction is ignoring Arya caring about her sister, it's more about the lack of growth on Sansa's part. While Arya tries to apologize and bridge the gap, even thinking of ways to please Sansa (I'll kiss her and beg her pardons like a proper lady, she'll like that), we don't have any equivalent moments from Sansa. She has fond memories of them playing in the snow, thinks of naming a daughter Arya, and overall misses her family and I'm not downplaying that. It's just that it doesn't supersede the relationship we've seen play out between them (or the fact that she thinks of Arya as unsatisfactory even though she believes her to be dead). It shows that they love each other and could reconcile, but there's no guarantee. Arya can't maintain that relationship one-sided and, considering she's already tried to apologize, Sansa will have to put in some effort on her side.
Plus Arya and Sansa's relationship is definitely deeper than just "respect." Way more.
I don't think their relationship is built on just "respect", they do have sisterly/familial love but that isn't all-powerful. George has stated that he reworked the Starks to give them conflict because they were all getting along and "families aren't like that". I doubt that he'd go to that trouble just to conveniently get rid of that tension, especially considering the amount of sibling conflicts we see in this story. No house gets along perfectly and this is intentional! We aren't ever going to really know until we get TWOW, but I just dislike the framing of this theory as baseless or trivial.
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m-to-z-andbackto-m · 10 months ago
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Concept Art (I measured on the spot, I wanna make her length one of my favorite numbers, so it'll stay around 80, I'm thinking 83 ft.)
Please zoom into the eyes, I took forever making it look nice 🥺
More doodles and info under cut! Very wholesome :3
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She doesn't have a name but I'm thinking she's gonna be some kind of a divine sea mer, hence her large size and lack of scarring
I was thinking since Mer!Sky (Pink One) and Mer!Ruby (Red One) technically came from eggs, they have parents but are independent from day one (excluding sibling relationships, they need those until they find mates, but I'm not planning on pairing them up with anyone so Ig they're up for grabs) (Actually, take that with a grain of salt, I still gotta world build for them)
So I knew their parents were probably a monster mer and a human mer trying to procreate, but the incompatibility meant Ruby and Sky were the only successful (albeit defected) guppies of their brood
Anyways I didn't feel right giving them a parent that wasn't me because they don't have canonical parents in the original version, as they were created, not born 😒
So! I loosely based the mer goddess on the adult version of my persona! And was thinking maybe she ain't need no mans-
Essentially I got sea-salty (Ba Dum Tsss) about giving them parents (despite them being absent) so made up an alternative version where they have a goddess mer that I can project on grrr... So yeah, that's what this is
So originally I'd think Ruby and Sky had parents, but in these concepts their parent (singular!) is a sea goddess of creation or something Idfk, half this fandom is just making shtuff up as you go along and that's what I'll do
The idea is this mer was experimenting with new life, hybridization specifically, and I dunno, magical parthenogenesis type shiz cuz y'know, creation goddess
And then the two guppies are left to grow on their own (Sheesh, tough love- Nah, she knows they'll be fine 😭) until one day she seeks them out and reunites, impressed with how well they've developed (first doodle is her checking them out, somewhat in wonder)
The last two doodles are the sisters decorating her with kelp, like I said in my last mermaid post, I think the concept that social creatures gift things to each other to show kinship is interesting and I'm definitely incorporating it! I think here it would mean they accept her as their parent :3
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banghae · 7 years ago
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Hell9 :) What do you think about 'Reunited Worlds' so far? I love it, I think it's really good! But I high-key don't want a loveline between a 18 years old and woman that is 12 years older now :/ How do you think they'll resolve this?
I love it! I love it, but I high-key don’t love what they’re doing with the romance either. I have so many thoughts, so the following might not make much sense haha.
Spoilers ahead for Reunited Worlds
Now, the thing is that the makers haven’t made up their minds about what their main focus/genre should be. Should it be Hae Sung and Jung Won‘s love story, or Hae Sung’s seeking justice and trying to clear his name, while figuring out his new identity (dealing with superpowers and all), and his family and friends spending time with him? I want it to be the latter, and so far, this is how the story is going. Sure, Hae Sung and Jung Won have their confusing (couple-like?) moments, but once he leaves the house, he is trying to make sense of 2017. But first, what I’m enjoying about the show:
My God, do I love Hae Sung’s siblings (not you, Young Joon) and friends! They’re the reason I’m watching this (as well the mystery around Hae Sung’s bully’s death). Kang Chul is so precious, and I can’t wait for him to really bond with Hae Sung again. I’m also in love with his single daddy arc, and he’s a teen at that! It’s just so refreshing and /new/ to watch. Jin Joo and Ho Bang are hilarious, and the Modern Farmer trio (Jin Joo, Shi Eon and Dong Yeon) reuniting is what I live for! I also think the second male lead is wonderful. There is definitely something more to his identity, but I don’t think he’s aware of it himself. And Hae Sung’s sister, I really need a proper introduction to grown up Young In, because I adored her younger self. This drama is actually hilarious, and although there are sad moments, the comedy is right up my alley and overpowers the melodrama.
Hae Sung is 19 years old. He is still a high school student. If the romance progresses, Jung Won needs to draw the line. I know they’re both confused - Jung Won has remembered Hae Sung for over 10 years, but..it’s just..not..it doesn’t look right? Episode 7-8 gave Jung Won some uncomfortable situations, to establish the age gap between the two leads. I guess it’s easier when the male is younger, as I don’t see the same uncomfortable scenes directed at male characters when their partners are much younger. Those scenes made both Jung Won and Hae Sung sad and frustrated, but it’s quite literally is the reality - Hae Sung is 19, Jung Won is 31. I feel like that reality will hit them one day, and although I’m not sure who will confront who, as of right now, Jung Won is the dominant person in their relationship (they’re not dating, by the way), and by default, the person I expect more of.
The differences between Hae Sung and Jung Won aren’t purely physical and age-related. I feel like there are lots of scenes where we see the difference in maturity, and understanding of reality between the two:
Hae Sung reacting to Jung Won’s lingerie. Which, I mean, it could also be an adult, but it’s obvious HS is a teen, judging from his reaction.
Hae Sung asking why Jung Won lead this kind of life. In this scene, Jung Won’s reaction is super important. Her facial expression changes, and it looks like she’s wondering, “What do you even know?” Hae Sung is still 19, Jung Won is 31. Years have gone by, and Hae Sung hasn’t been by Jung Won’s side to see the changes in her life.
Hae Sung asking Jung Won to stop calling herself “noona”. Hae Sung is still a hyung to his siblings, and they accept his presence, but he can’t force this upon Jung Won. Yes, they were close, but at times he seems pushy. He is not comfortable, nor familiar, in his body anymore, but at some point he’ll have to come to terms with it.
Ideally, I’d want Hae Sung to go back. It sounds horrible, but I actually think it could work. I have a feeling they’re going to continue pushing the second lead as Jung Won’s romantic interest. It’s the pairing that acts the most natural around each other, and although Jung Won is opposed to the idea, maybe she’ll open up? Why does romance have to ruin good dramas. I want Hae Sung’s main goal in 2017 to be finding his family and the real culprit. Hae Sung didn’t time-travel, he was brought back to life. So, I feel like him saying goodbye, but this time properly, will be inevitable.
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