#I came up with a lot of scenarios already and they are pretty unhinged lol

[princesscallyie]

Wip dump. I had an idea of introducing a new character to the Drake and Eirenelas story but I’m in a slump right now and don’t feel like finishing anything (plus I have some private commissions to take care of) so it might take awhile for me to finish it. Just wanted to share cause he is currently on my mind and I think he’s a pretty fun character so far

His name is Zhen Liang, a dangerous gang leader who has leads and connections who becomes infatuated with the two and helps them out on their goal.

[astupidweeb69]

hello!! I am kinda nervous to write this bc I absolutely love your writing and the way you portray Toby is just so real. I love how you make him both a loser and a force of nature, like just bc he has no rizz doesn't mean he can't do anything lol. But I was lowkey thinking about your stories the other day and like, what if Y/N also had some screws loose? Like he pops up at her house covered in the blood of some guy who wouldn't leave her alone and instead of calling the police like a smart person she's just like: " 😳 omg you did this for me??" I know it's unrealistic and silly but it's also kind of interesting???

Ticci Toby x Violent! Reader

Toby with an unhinged reader? Well - there's a recipe for disaster lmao.

I know I said I'm not taking requests but this ended up becoming a scenario. I just had some inspo - hope this is what you were looking for! Because the reader isn't submissive? Idk

Y/N has some messed-up thoughts and there are mentions of violence under the cut!:

The reader I imagine in this case would have only seen how cringey Toby is - thinking he was just a creepy guy who's taken a liking to them and would avoid him at all costs. Probably up until this point assume that he's a wimp (Toby would initially try his best to seem weaker and unassuming when he approaches the person he likes)

The scenario I imagine is that Y/N grew up around conflict, and is fully comfortable around violence, even throwing a few punches themselves here and there. Maybe ended up in Juvie when they were younger and now works in some retail job - something where they regularly interact with the general public.

A customer tries to hit on Y/N when Toby's there - big mistake.

But Toby doesn't say anything at first.

He doesn't have to.

Y/N immediately shuts the customer down. But the guy doesn't let up. Curses are thrown back and forth, Y/N's wrist is grabbed.

He touched you.

Toby doesn't like that. Not one bit.

You get reprimanded by your boss after you punched the unruly customer in the face.

Luckily they didn't press charges.

You had a bit of an edge, from your surly demeanor and fucked sense of humor, but Toby had no idea you'd do that.

Kind of turned him on. He knew he picked you for a reason.

But alas, that was the extent of your revenge. You already had a record of aggravated assault and you didn't need another one added to the list.

Luckily for you that scrawny, lanky boy who always stared at you when he came in had a plan in motion.

Late at night, a knock on the door wakes you up from a nap on the couch. Of course, you look through the peephole first before answering.

Red.

Everything is red.

Only until you hear a familiar voice pipe up do you realize who it is.

Toby.

The blood covered so much of his face it was hard to point out who he was at first.

He speaks to you through the door, somehow already knowing you're there.

And he tells you what he did.

It takes a moment for you to process all the grizzly details, the way he followed the man, cornered him in an alley, and beat him so hard he'd pretty sure he cracked his skull on the brick wall.

He sounded giddy about it. Gleeful.

He was far from the loser you thought he was.

And you liked it.

Liked that he did that for you.

After all, in your head, hurting someone for someone else was the greatest form of love. It was the kind of devotion you'd always dreamed of from a partner.

You open the door.

Toby is surprised, but soon sees a look on your face he recognized. The kind of expression of sick joy and arousal that comes with blood lust.

You're blushing too. Blushing for him.

Everything was finally coming together perfectly, and once you let him into your home, he's never going to leave.

The relationship would start right off the bat. Toby is one to rush things.

It's all to claim you. Both mentally and physically. So you're attached to the hip pretty much. Expect a lot of PDA (Toby does not care who sees lol)

And a reader who's fully on board?

Yeah you're going to bring out the worst in each other. He'll encourage you to do more crimes, to get bloodier, to join him.

It would be a very bad situation for everyone involved.

But especially for anyone unfortunate enough to cross the paths of you two lovebirds.

[lemotmo]

Ignoring the fact that the bobby resurrection has to happen in 8x16 for the logistics of being buried alive/for viewer sanity reasons, I actually think it would be really interesting to see them hold off on bringing him back until the season finale?

Like at this point if he’s coming back it’s gotta be next episode bc they can’t keep people waiting too long (and given the script leaks), but just IMAGINE if we had two/three episodes dealing with the fallout of Bobby’s death, and then the last scene before the season ends is him waking up

It would give a good amount of time to “shake things up” (as Tim is saying) and have the other characters make choices they wouldn’t make if he’s already come back. Like I think everyone’s lives will be changed regardless, but I think Bobby coming back in 8x16 might not give enough time for the grief to settle in and change things. Is that a weird thing to say? lol

Idk I think everything that’s happened with this episode and the leaks is really unfortunate bc that would actually be a super interesting way to end the season! I’m curious to see what happens regardless though…

I agree that this would be very interesting indeed. It would propel the story and the characters foreward in new and unexpected ways. It would be fascinating to see how everyone would react in the aftermath of his death.

But yeah, in order to have pulled that scenario off, Tim should have made very different choices than the ones he made now.

When Tim came up with this crazy unhinged plan, he must have somewhat foreseen the crashout of the fandom and the GA. I know that a lot of people talk about the fact that this grew to bigger proportions than Tim would have anticipated. And in a lot of ways it did.

But I really do think he was fully aware just how risky this would be. Especially because he actually had Peter give an exit-interview and the other actors made some (half-assed) posts about it on their Instagram. It all looks pretty real, unless you look a little closer and see the cracks.

The only thing Tim failed to calculate is the fact that the episode itself was just not good. It was mediocre. I'm sure that, in his head, it was the best work he had ever done. But in reality it was terrible.

So now you have a whole audience who didn't just crashout over Bobby dying, but who genuinly hated the episode and the way Bobby came to his end. This isn't so much about the fact that he died, but also the way he died.

And let's not forget the outcry for Eddie Diaz as well. Everywhere you look on social media, there are people screaming for less guest characters (aka Tommy) and more Eddie. They are outraged that Eddie didn't even get one single reaction shot and apparently a single phone call off screen.

It was a good idea, but a half-assed execution of the idea.

So yeah, Bobby Nash will (most likely) crawl out of his grave in episode 16 and Eddie will come back to LA. But it will take some time for the mood to settle.

If Tim is smart, he will use the momentum to propel Buddie into a new phase. Some realisations perhaps? Or a confession to another character like Maddie? Maybe even something more? It will keep the audience engaged and make them forget all about episode 8x15 and Bobby's death during the long hiatus before season 9.

TV-show audiences are fickle like that. They forgive and forget quite easily if you give them something else to focus on and care about.

[galadrieljones]

Some Biblical Symbolism in TWD 10c (Team Delusional)

Okay so I am VERY behind on the times, due to a ton of family engagements lately; however, now I’m trying to catch up and in doing so, I’m just going to make posts looking at all my recent, random notes from 10c and beyond.

This post starts by looking at the symbolism in the Bible verse that’s referenced in 10.19 “One More.”  This one verse in particular lead me down a lot of other Biblical rabbit holes, and I’ll try to talk about how they pertain to existing Team Delusional arguments, plus some other stuff!!

David and King Saul

The Bible verse I took down in my notes for the episode is 1 Samuel 16, specifically 16:21. This chapter is about God sending Samuel to anoint a new King of Israel after Saul basically pisses him off. Samuel chooses David, a young shepherd and son of Jesse, who is also a wonderful musician. He plays the lyre.

I remember reading about David when I was looking into Daryl/Biblical imagery. Initially I took Daryl’s fight w Beta in season 10 up in that tower to be a David vs. Goliath fight, but after reading more deeply into it, I scrapped the comparison. I read more into David and was actually more taken with him as relatable to Beth. More on that and how this impacts TD in a minute.

In 1 Samuel, King Saul of the Israelites is being tormented by demons (sent by god ofc) and sends his servant to bring him a musician to soothe his brain. The servant suggests David who comes to play the lyre for him and befriends his son. Anyway, consumed with fear that David is going to oust him, Saul tries to kill David, so David goes on the run, as a fugitive, basically until Saul and his son are killed, and then David returns and takes his place as King of the Israelites.

Anytime Gabriel is in the scene, there’s Biblical shit. So I was on top of "One More.” I didn’t really know what to make of the story with Saul and David and why it’s featured in this episode, so I talked to my husband who doesn’t watch the show (which is good because he’s coming at my questions unbiased) but he knows the Old Testament super well. I asked him whether Saul was supposed to be a “villain,” or merely a tortured king. My husband said Saul is not a villain, but a king who is meant to symbolize the unique plight of kings and leaders often characterized as the Sword of Damocles, ie: the sword always hanging over their head, and how the constant threat of death and/or usurpation can push them to great fear, madness, paranoia, and hasty decisions.

As the de facto leader of Alexandria, Gabriel is now in the same exact unique bind for which he sold out Rick to Deanna in season 5. He is potentially becoming a Saul figure, with the pressures of leadership causing him to turn away from his faith. This is a MAJOR shift in character dynamics for the show, as well as a big reference to Season 5 (an important season for TD, obviously). Season 5 Rick is also a very good Saul, as we see him falling to madness, hubris, and fear, and on the clear path to losing his people and his throne. I think we’re witnessing Gabriel now in a similar scenario in which his actions have finally begun to bear the weight of his responsibilities as a leader. He kills Mays because Mays is a killer and unhinged. It’s why Rick wants to and eventually does kill Pete in season 5. Gabriel killing Mays startles Aaron, and it isn’t pretty, but to him, it’s the right thing to do, even as it belies his cloth and belies his faith to do so. 

With his eyes, one light/one dark, as well as his priesthood, Gabriel is a perfect canvas for this sort of Saul struggle, especially now, as Michonne is gone, and Siddiq is dead, and he is not only the leader of Alexandria but now a father to a child, and this only further complicates his motivations. I also think this whole thing, ie: Gabriel as Saul might be another purposeful recycling of seasons 5, which 10c has been doing a lot. As has already been pointed out by @twdmusicboxmystery​, “One More” also rehashes a lot of themes and scenarios from “Still.” The entirety of 10c is consumed with cycles.

Saul and David through the Team Delusional Lens

ON THAT NOTE: Beth is an interesting David figure, since David’s main role before he becomes king is as a musician. You probably remember mention of David in the Leonard Cohen song “Hallelujah,” which references both David’s music as well as his later affair with Bathsheba. David’s music soothes the king, and we could say the same thing about Beth in seasons 3 and 4. Further, Dawn in season 5 is another Saul figure who has lost control of her kingdom due to weakness, fear, and selfishness. Beth, like David, is taken into her service (where she DOES sing, and where she calmly professes, “I still sing”), befriends another of Dawn’s young orderlies (such as David befriending Saul’s son), and then when she becomes a threat, Dawn *attempts* to kill her. Ofc in the Bible David just goes on the lam until Saul is killed by the Philistines, and then David becomes king of the Israelites. In TWD, Beth “dies.”

So by this allusion, if applied in template fashion, after Dawn (Saul) is killed, Beth (David) would return to Grady and become its new leader, something I think TD has discussed before.

Other Biblical Allusions and Curiosities:

Jesse and Samuel: Characters from 5b-6a. Samuel of the Bible is a child prophet, and Samuel of TWD is a “sensitive” child who, in the opening of 6.8, is surrounded by a lot of prophetic imagery, including a drawing of a blond person tied to a tree while surrounded by walkers, a toy firetruck, as well as the ants, breaching the window and swarming a cookie, which predicts or mirrors the walkers breaching the wall. This scene is full of TD imagery, which I’m sure other theorists have already rehashed, ie: the tree trunk, the number 8, even a cyclops (one-eyed) action figure on the dresser. Jesse is Samuel’s mother in 5b, and until I read more into Samuel, I didn’t realize that Jesse was a Bible character as well, and that he was David’s father, while Samuel is the prophet who anoints David as king. These are mostly minor characters, but as is a lot of stuff in season 5, they pack a lot of symbolic punch.This is also just me pointing to the fact that TWD has used more direct symbolism involving Samuel and David before, as well as indirect symbolism, and just general allusion. Samuel is also connected to key imagery that appears again and again.

^ (This is not the first blond we’ve seen tied to a tree in TWD.)

Gabriel the Archangel: Gabriel the archangel is a very interesting character in the Bible, as he is seen as not only a fierce defender of the Israelites, but per Christian tradition, he is also the angel who visits the Virgin Mary and foretells the birth of Jesus Christ. I know that TD has discussed Father Gabriel as a Beth “proxy” or as symbolically juxtaposed with Beth, often referencing him as a Sirius symbol, post-partial-blindness, echoing the one-eyed dog from “Still.” The Biblical imagery is consistent with this argument, especially when combined with argument that Beth is a Christ figure to be resurrected, ie: Gabriel is here to “herald” Beth’s return. Ofc, this could be applied to Rick as a Christ figure as well (who sacrifices himself to save his people); however, we know that Rick is not dead, which is inconsistent with the crucifixion, ie: Jesus literally “died” (or was perceived to have died) and came back to life. Further, in Christian tradition as well as in John Milton’s Paradise Lost, Gabriel is credited as the angel blowing the trumpet that signals the return of Christ to the living (Gabriel’s horn). What I’m saying is, Gabriel is a herald. He heralds both the birth of and the return of Christ to the land of the living. It again does not feel like coincidence that Gabriel is introduced during season 4, at the very beginning of Beth’s arc.

Dark vs. Light: Does anyone else find it extremely fishy that Gabriel, Beth, and Daryl are all shown with prominent costume/features that juxtapose dark/light? What I mean is: Gabriel’s eyes, Daryl’s ankle coverings, and Beth’s shoelaces at Grady--all feature one dark, one light. Tbh I am not sure how this is even a Biblical thing (other than the overt good vs. evil connotations), but it just strikes me as further credence for how these characters must be connected. Gabriel as a reference to the one-eyed dog is more evidence tying them all together, further, the light/left dark/right arrangement is the same on Beth and Gabriel, whereas it is reversed on Daryl. I have always found the choice for Beth’s shoelaces to be strange, obviously correlated to Daryl’s ankle coverings, but I’m not sure why. I do know that this kind of visual imagery is not happening by mistake, though I don’t have a good hypothesis for what this means beyond the connection itself. Or, not yet at least. Give me time lol.

Anyway, I think this is all I have for now! If anyone has any thoughts or additions, please let me know. ^_^

[privatekururugi]

Yeah I think rape will soon be included and god help us all. Do you think Sangwoo actually loves Bum? In a warped sick twisted way? I definitely think he would have some break down if Bum was to be taken away.

Do you know how many times I deleted what I wrote because I could literally type my hands off on this topic I had like a 20 page report before attempting to restrain myself to 2,000 words because I didn’t want to put you to sleep lol.

Anywho,

I think Sangwoo does love Bum, like you said, in a warped twisted way. The only way Sangwoo knows how to love. I might have not been so convinced but the event in Chapter 13 was too bold to ignore. Sangwoo was legitimately freaking the fuck out when he thought Bum was gone. The reader has never seen Sangwoo with his grip that far off the wheel before* and the first time we do having to do with Bum leaving him seems more than just coincidence to me. (*Runner up being in Chapter 8 when Bum more or less asked Sangwoo what his damage is and Sangwoo replied after a manic fit of laughter, “Nothing!”)

Sangwoo addressed no concerns over ‘Holy fuck he’s gonna tell!’ or ‘I’m caught! It’s over!’ Instead, his thoughts were solely on Bum and all they’ve been through together. He seemed more centered on ‘You dare play with my feelings like this?!’ than anything else. Feelings he’s probably rarely felt or experiencing for the first time. (His relationship with his mom and whether his love for her differs from his love for Bum is an entire other discussion I tried to ease off of here). Sangwoo even confesses Bum is the first person he’s told even that small bit of his past to. He’s already in a special category.

Sangwoo brought Bum into the kitchen, a special place because that’s where his mom cooked and was the setting to a lot of his childhood memories. I doubt many or any of his other hostages made it that far.

It can easily be interpreted Sangwoo was aware Bum poisoned the soup. The basement is intended for punishment. Attempted murder of Sangwoo’s person should deem worthy of punishment without question. But isn’t. Instead he brings Bum to his bedroom after a second thought and plays caretaker.Sangwoo could’ve easily slashed Bum’s neck deep enough to kill (given Bum is the one that hit a nerve, triggering unhinged moment runner up) but he didn’t. Prior to, he even suggests they do something else before he “does something he’ll regret” which tells me he doesn’t want to kill Bum but as impulsive and off-the-walls as he is, he very well could (which might’ve been the case with his mother). The wind was literally knocked from his lungs when he saw Bum hadn’t left and his legs turned to Jell-O. It even came as a massive shock to Sangwoo himself, his own feelings. I think that’s when he first acknowledged them for what they are.

Sangwoo legitimately looked wishful when he glanced back before “going out” Chapter 7(?), hoping Bum wouldn’t try to escape because in his warped mind, ‘Why would you leave me if you love me?’ He tells Bum that he confuses him and he can’t tell what’s real or not. (I find it funny how both Sangwoo and Bum’s feelings for the other confuse the other party. It’s actually surprising the amount of mirroring moments they’ve had). This was back in Chapter 8. Fast forward to Chapter 15 and Sangwoo is still uncertain. His expression is childlike and open when he’s waiting for Bum to answer if he loves him. It isn’t until afterwards, when Bum has reassured him another time, that he grows confident again. I know there’s a million metas about Bum craving love and validation, but we should take a good look at Sangwoo too. Bum is in the middle of a sobbing episode where Sangwoo was drawn genuinely concerned and listening but his brain comes to a halt and his whole demeanor changes when Bum mentions he’s cool. Shouldn’t he know that already? Assume so? The boy stalked you. One would think he thinks you’re, at least, cool. No. He’s got to hear it. He’s got to hear everything from Bum. Bum has to hear everything from Sangwoo. These two crave the others attention.

Ji Eun thinks Sangwoo is pretty rad too, and he knows this, but does he give a fuck? No. This kinda reaffirms my next point*

Bum didn’t show interests in falling out of love with Sangwoo until recently. He still was affectionate towards him even after learning of Sangwoo’s hobby and sick nature. Though Sangwoo seemed to ridicule this (‘Are you stupid?’) I think it also excited him and gave Bum potential. His victims look like his mom but Bum’s personality reminds Sangwoo of her. Maybe she was accepting of Sangwoo, and that’s why. ‘I’m even loved.’ Sangwoo says about Bum, after going on about his mother. I’m sure at least a handful of his victims caught themselves fancying him too and Sangwoo still didn’t care about them. Perhaps if *they can’t love him while still knowing of his darker side he sees their love as phony and therefore invalid. (I need some fucking answers about his mother honestly). I think his attention on Bum started off because of her but could become (or now is) credited to Bum just being Bum.

Also, Sangwoo might’ve been bored as all get out with his life before Bum came. He kept face for the sake of secrecy, but when it’s safe (like when he was on the bus. Who else was on the bus? I can’t remember. Safe enough, I suppose) he just looked. Sad. Like depressed. I’m sure Bum has made things interesting for him. Who knows how often or how long he’s gone through the same routine, (he hadn’t even killed a man since his dad until meeting Bum)Fuck ‘em. Kill ‘em. Fuck ‘em. Kill ‘em.

A better question might be can you be dependent on someone without loving them? Because it could prove a lengthy discussion topic for Bum and Sangwoo.

Someone on here had mentioned something about a possible scenario where the cops are taking Sangwoo (and Bum) away and Sangwoo’s screaming “No! You can’t take him away from me! You can’t!” And starts irrationally yelling for his mommy while Bum is crying at the doorstep being ushered by Seungbae, probably. Was that you??? I think that might’ve been you but I’m not certain. Anyway, I think it was a lovely scenario because I can 100% see it happening.