#I am also not saying everyone should not watch Sapnap I don't believe that

[rutadales]

I normally don't give Actually Opinions on drama, but seeing as some of these conversations are delving into the American politics side of things I wanted to give my two cents. to be incredibly clear I am in no way calling anyone a bad person, but im seeing what is, in my opinion, some misinterpretations of why Kick, and streamers joining the platform is a bad thing.

First things first I want to dismantle the idea that Twitch and Kick are equivalent to each other. They aren't. If Twitch goes down tomorrow, Amazon still is going to exist. If Kick goes down, then the crypto gambling website the streaming service exists to promote will have a lot less traffic.

Here's an excerpt talking about Stake.com playing a role in Kick.

and here's Stake promoting crypto.

Kick literally exists to promote crypto gambling. (If you don't know why crypto is bad watch Dan Olsen's video "The Line Goes Up" or if you don't have time to watch a 2 hour long video tldr crypto is horrible for the environment, is a more or less a scam, and functions to make the rich richer. the video explains it better and has sources I just don't have time to write a crypto manifesto here okay)

Not to mention Kick's poster boy is a transphobic pos who showed porn to his child audience.

Yes, Kick recognizes this is bad for PR but Adin is still on that platform and still making them money. By giving legitimacy to that platform we are putting more eyes on that kind of rhetoric.

I am not saying that every streamer on that platform is bad, or that Sapnap is bad and going to streamer hell or whatever. I am saying Kick, and Stake, is an unethical website. Yes, so is Twitch, and Amazon! But Twitch and Amazon are already legitimate websites with strong influence in the industry. Kick isn't, at least not nearly on the same scale, and what they're trying to do by adding content creators like Sapnap is add legitimacy to their, again, crypto gambling website. This is a bad thing.

And I think it is flat out wrong to compare the two websites. Just because one bad thing exists doesn't mean we try to make an even worse bad thing just because. Yes, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. This doesn't mean it's time to start buying oil drums and throw them into the Pacific, ya feel me?

[kiuda]

Hey just wondering why are you a c!dream apologist? I really don't wanna seem rude I've just never actually had anyone give me their reasonings. /gen

Anon dear Anon there are so many ways I could answer that question! Luckily for you I was actually writing a post about this, so I'm not going to just leave you with a meme and call it a day ^^

I'm putting a cut here because the explanation got long hahsah

Okay so let's begin with a few things so we are on the same page:

-> I've been in this fandom since September last year and I've been a fan of c!Dream since the beginning of my dsmp journey basically

-> the term 'apologist' for me is flawed, but I use it, because it's the one the fandom settled on

-> I don't think anyone should have to 'give you their reasoning' for liking a character, but as I said - I wanted to make this post anyway, so here we are :)

Why do I like c!Dream?

Well at first it was my bias to cc!Dream. He was the one whose content introduced me to the Dream SMP. He was funny and I liked him. Please note that back then the rift between 'apologists' for various characters wasn't as big - anyone could like anyone they wanted to. I wasn't as involved with the fandom as I am now as well - so it wasn't anything weird to me.

Then I watched the vods of the revolution war and was like 'Wait those L'Manburg guys are actually in the wrong here! they just came in, tried to have a monopoly, got mad when the people living there didn't like it when they tried to have a piece of land no one else could live in and then started a war and made c!Dream the bad guy. I actually don't like them!' Of course I am talking about the characters here! I have no problem with the ccs :D

So I stuck with c!Dream and his story - I started getting involved with the fandom, found the people that liked c!Dream as well and started reading analysis made by them. I began to understand his character a bit more beyond 'oh he is fun and also played by a cc I like!'.

Now I follow his story as a character that is interesting - he has a clear goal and believes any action that is taken by him to accomplish this goal is justifiable. He is ruthless. But he also cares so much.

And that just makes him so... human! He wants to protect c!George and that blows up in his face - he is told he 'doesn't care about him. And that breaks his heart, no matter how much he doesn't want to show it.

He is badass - he blew up a country that I didn't really like anyway, so it was fun to watch it burn tbh :D

He is a tragic character. No one stays by his side at the end. Everyone is against him (from what we know now ofc). He is so sad and pathetic and alone in the prison, which makes a perfect material for angst which I love writing!

And he is complex! His story is just very interesting to me - he began as a caring person, someone that tried to always help others (see: c!Dream and c!Sapnap rebuilding c!Tubbo's house), then the war happened and he won. Then Pogtopia. He tried to stay on the 'good guys side' this time. But he changed the sides suddenly! Now we know the reason was the revival book, but back then it was interesting to speculate what made him switch! And then the exile happened - he was doing horrific stuff and no one is trying to justify that, but it is interesting to speculate on why. Why did he do it? Why did he think it was necessary? What pushed him to do those stuff?

And then the prison arc!! Omg I love the prison arc so much!!

We saw c!Dream defeated, sitting in that cell alone, trying to get any human contact by throwing his only source of entertainment into lava to have a few seconds of talk with c!Sam. We saw him beginning to break - for example during c!Bad's visit or during c!Sapnap's visit. Can you imagine how much it must have hurt to hear his brother say he is going to kill him?! c!Dream makes me so sad :(

And then c!Quackity started his visits... Please tell me how I'm supposed to look at the broken man calling his torturer 'Sir' and cowering before him and not feel bad for him.

And then c!Techno came and we saw c!Dream starting to get better again! He laughed! He accepted being called a friend! :D

Also can you imagine how amazing of a character arc c!Dream is going to have if the redemption arc comes? From a peaceful person, happy to help anyone, but ready to defend him lands, to a bad person, someone that thought he had no other choice and didn't care about who he hurt (even himself) to a person just... tired of it all? someone who finally understands that attachments are not weaknesses? that they can help? that it's okay to rely on others?

I am so sorry it got so long ^^' I think this turned into a ramble about how much I love c!Dream ashhashas Sorry about that!

The TL;DR answer to your question Anon would be:

I am a c!Dream apologist, because I find his character fascinating. I like uncovering his story through others' povs (and maybe his own lore stream one day? cc!Dream please) and questioning his motivations and beliefs. I think there is more to his character than 'the villain' and I love how cc!Dream plays him! :D

So yeah :D

Oh and also spite <3

@just-a-mess-at-this-point because you asked me that question as well :D