#FITF tour Asia

[twopoppies]

Hiya, just read this about Lorde & cancelling tours. Seems like it’s more common than I thought?

https://www.nme.com/news/music/lorde-addresses-economic-realities-of-touring-things-are-at-an-almost-unprecedented-level-of-difficulty-3347062

Oh, that’s such an interesting article. Thank you so much for sending it. It does a really good job of laying out the myriad complication involved in staging a tour these days.

“Basically, for artists, promoters and crews, things are at an almost unprecedented level of difficulty,” Lorde wrote in her letter, citing factors like “three years’ worth of shows” occurring simultaneously, global economic downturn, and concertgoers’ “totally understandable wariness” around health risks.

She went on to acknowledge logistical factors such as widespread crew shortages, linking to an article from New Zealand news outlet Stuff about the issue. “Extremely overbooked trucks and tour buses and venues, inflated flight and accommodation costs, ongoing general COVID costs, and truly mindboggling freight costs” were also listed as factors.

“To freight a stage set across the world can cost up to three times the pre-pandemic price right now. I don’t know shit about money, but I know enough to understand that no industry has a profit margin that high,” Lorde continued.

“Ticket prices would have to increase to start accommodating even a little of this, but absolutely no one wants to charge their harried and extremely-compassionate-and-flexible audience any more fucking money.

“Nearly every tour has been besieged with cancellations and postponements and promises and letdowns, and audiences have shown such understanding and such faith, that between that and the post-COVID wariness about getting out there at all, scaring people away by charging the true cost ain’t an option. All we want to do is play for you.”

Lorde went on to say that she’s lucky because profits being down across the board doesn’t pose an issue for an artist of her stature, but touring has become a “demented struggle to break even or face debt” for artists selling less tickets than her – which in some cases, can make touring prohibitive altogether.

[…]

She continued: “I wanted to put all of this in your minds to illustrate that nothing’s simple when it comes to touring at the moment, and if your faves are confusing you with their erratic moves, some of this could be playing a part.”

Full article here

[dreamings-free]

From 20K to 2K? Damn, what the fuck is going on in Asia?

I’m wondering the same thing, anon! I saw someone else mentioning this and I agree; just because it’s the only asia tour show doesn’t mean people will travel from all over asia for that show.. flights, accommodation etc. on top of buying a ticket isn’t something everyone can afford (or are willing to spend which is fair like I wasn’t even gonna see louis on the 2022 tour cause the closest shows were stockholm or berlin. and that a fairly short distance compared to coming to jakarta from another country)..

but it can’t just be that I mean for the show in jakarta in 2022 the venue had an about 4K cap. and while I don’t know if it was sold out back then this new venue is only half cap. at 2K 😐 so is it higher ticket prices that’s the problem? because it seems very strange to me that demand would have declined in asia when it’s increased hugely in both europe and the US..

[skepticalarrie]

After what happened yesterday I'm just thinking about belfast 2015, it had the same vibe.

Listen. Please feel free to feel whatever you're feeling, I think things have been hard lately and it's normal to feel confused and weird about it. But since you sent me this (and there are a lot of people in my inbox with similar messages), I feel the urge to tell you guys something... Belfast happened SEVEN years ago, when the boys were under extremely abusive contracts and strict clauses. I think it's absolutely unreasonable (and dismissive of what happened back then) to compare Louis' solo career now to what they had going on with the band.

Watching some of you still being stuck on the same way of thinking from 10 years ago, acting like Modest is still breathing down Louis' neck, is very mindblowing to me. Wake up, things change. And it's okay if we don't know what is happening and what changed, we can admit that. I find the entire cancellation extremely confusing, I'm very disappointed about the way things were handled and Louis' tweet... it would be wonderful if we get some further clarification, but not everything is this big mystery, not everything requires the craziest theories. I'm very tired of people going back to these same theories that look very outdated just because they need some comfort, some explanation, and most importantly, someone to blame.

[dreamings-free]

this post was deleted/archived 7/4/23

louist91 FAITH IN THE FUTURE WORLD TOUR 2023. ASIA. I’m really excited to be coming back to Asia for these shows in April. I can’t wait to see you all again this year! Link in bio for ticket info.

[harryiconstyles]

Louis announced his 2023 Asia dates and there are only seven of them. After all the hype about him playing India and Africa, turns out he's not even playing Indonesia, Phillipines, or Dubai like he did last time.

Louis' Asian Concerts by Capacity

Taipai Exhibition Center - 3k capacity

Singapore Star Theatre - 3k capacity

Nagoya Century Hall - 3k capacity

Plenary Hall Kuala Lumpur - 3k capacity

Tokyo Garden Theater - 8k capacity

Bangkok - 11k

Osaka - 10k

So much for the mighty arena tour! Those 3k venues won't generate any profit once he's paid to fly everyone out there.

[louismygf]

guess i'll die! 🤷🏻‍♀️

[hldailyupdate]

Faith in the Future World Tour.

Faith In The Future World Tour: Uncasville. (26 May 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Gilford. (27 May 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Laval. (29 May 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Toronto. (30 May 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Cuyahoga Falls. (1 June 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Sterling Heights. (2 June 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Cincinnati. (3 June 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Columbus. (6 June 2023)

Faith In The Future World Tour: Indianapolis. (7 June 2023)

[statementlou]

ok so to recap LTHQ posted a presave link to ????, then a link to "JOIN IN" that leads to a map of 170 hotspots worldwide; most of the hotspots are at venues Louis played (both tours) plus a few for countries he wasn't able to play yet; the hotspot links will reveal 15 puzzle pieces to fill in a square. They are each open for two hours, mostly midday local time (except the Asia/Oceania ones in the evening and all the North America ones being at the same time to make it a little less drastically staggered); the first ones open in about 10 hours. Later the hotspots disappeared leaving the map blank. It appears there is an app you can download; I am guessing you go to the location and the app will then unlock a puzzle piece for you. Someone got into some part of a site early temporarily and saw a short video (tour footage and Louis talking about tour); reminiscent of the Two Of Us hotspots like this which unlocked video clips. ANYWAY FITF LIVE ALBUM IS COMING HELL YEAH and the puzzle pieces will surely be the cover reveal imo (or tracklist/both?... but now there are also video clips in the mix)*, the last hour has been a busy week for us etc

*disclaimer I am often wrong about everything

[bluewinnerangel]

FITF Tour exit songs

- NA LEG - Uncasville: Tina Turner - The Best

Gilford: The Smiths - This Charming Man

Laval: Petula Clark - Downtown

Toronto: Bryan Adams - Summer Of '69

Cuyahoga Falls: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony

Sterling Heights: Shed Seven - Chasing Rainbows

Cincinnati: The Killers - All These Things That I've Done

Columbus: R.E.M. - The One I Love

Indianapolis: Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart

Maryland Heights (St. Louis): Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode

Kansas City: Van Morrison - Moondance

Milwaukee: Johnny Nash - I Can See Clearly Now

Chicago: Earth, Wind & Fire - September

Minneapolis: Sinéad O'Connor - Nothing Compares 2 U

Council Bluffs: Buzzcocks - Ever Fallen In Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've)

Sioux Falls: Don McLean - American Pie

Seattle: The Smiths - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out

Vancouver: The Police - King Of Pain

Troutdale: Elvis Presley - Always On My Mind

Berkeley: INXS - Never Tear Us Apart

Los Angeles: 2Pac - California Love

Las Vegas: The Killers - Human

Phoenix: Spear Of Destiny - Liberator

Irving: The Doors - Hello, I Love You

Austin: Wheatus - Teenage Dirtbag

Houston The Woodlands: The Police - Walking On The Moon

St. Augustine: The Police - Every Breath You Take

Hollywood: Elton John - Your Song

Tampa: Pat Benatar - Hit Me With Your Best Shot

Atlanta: The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want

Nashville: Duran Duran - Hold Back The Rain

Charlotte: Lou Reed - Perfect Day

Raleigh: Van Morrison - Moondance

Columbia: Commodores - Easy

Boston 1: Boston - More Than A Feeling

Boston 2: Pixies - Here Comes Your Man

Philadelphia: Sinéad O'Connor - Nothing Compares 2 U

Asbury Park: Bruce Springsteen - Dancing In The Dark

New York: Queen - We Are The Champions (dj elf asked a fan to pick between this one and David Bowie - Heroes)

- EU & UK LEG - Hamburg: Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart

Copenhagen: Queen & David Bowie - Under Pressure

Oslo: Green Day - Wake Me Up When September Ends

Stockholm: The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army

Helsinki: Elvis Presley - Always On My Mind

Tallinn: Smash Mouth - All Star

Riga: AC/DC - Thunderstruck

Kaunas: Elvis Presley - Can't Help Falling in Love

Krakow: Iggy Pop - Lust For Life

Łódź: Ramones - Blitzkrieg Bop

Vienna: Oasis - Supersonic

Ljubljana: The Killers - Smile Like You Mean It

Budapest: Bloc Party - Helicopter

Bucharest: Foo Fighters - My Hero

Sofia: Rage Against The Machine - Bombtrack

Bilbao: Pixies - Where Is My Mind

Lisbon: White Lies - Farewell to the Fairground

Madrid: Editors - Munich

Barcelona: At the Drive-In - One Armed Scissor

Turin: Lenny Kravitz - Are You Gonna Go My Way

Bologna: Bloc Party - Helicopter

Luxembourg: Pixies - Where Is My Mind

Antwerp: Queens Of The Stone Age - My God Is The Sun

Paris: Biffy Clyro - Bubbles

Amsterdam: Blur - Song 2

Cologne: The Libertines - Can't Stand Me Now

Prague: Jet - Are You Gonna Be My Girl

Berlin: The Cure - Friday I'm in Love

Munich: Fatboy Slim - Praise You

Zurich: The Strokes - Last Nite

Dublin: Inhaler - These Are The Days

Sheffield: The Killers - Mr. Brightside

Manchester: The Smiths - This Charming Man

Glasgow: The Snuts - Gloria

Brighton: Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated

Cardiff: T. Rex - 20th Century Boy

London: The Libertines - Can't Stand Me Now

Birmingham: Boyz II Men - End Of The Road

- ASIA & AUS LEG - Jakarta: Iggy Pop - Lust For Life

Melbourne: Jet - Are You Gonna Be My Girl

Brisbane: The Temper Trap - Fader

Sydney: Oasis - Rock 'N' Roll Star

- LATAM LEG - Panama: Hard-Fi - Living for the Weekend

San Juan: Pixies - Where Is My Mind

Rio de Janeiro: Nirvana - Heart-Shaped Box

Like last time the plan is to keep editing this post as tour goes on - 2022 LTWT here

Apple music playlist here

[twopoppies]

Just a response to your anon who asked about the cancellation. There is a website called soundcloud*com that writes about the music business. They have an article breaking down the intricacies of a tour. Very complicated. After reading it, I came to the conclusion that livenation Asia signed up the tour last minute hence the late announcement and that livenation Asia didn’t really invest in any significant effort in promoting it (probably thought it would be easy money) and when they realized they were not going to be able to make a good profit after expenses, they pulled the plug. Hence why we got the cancellation announcements first from livenation Asia and why it was not directly addressed by Louis. He likely was not able to say anything and probably didn’t want to burn bridges with livenation Asia. Not satisfying for fans. And to be clear livenation and livenation Asia are two separate entities, so just because livenation was doing the tour in the USA doesn’t mean that livenation Asia would automatically do it. Livenation had acquired an Asian tour promoter to become livenation Asia.

That's super helpful, love. Thank you so much. We figured it had something to do with not selling enough tickets or covering the costs. Dod you mind sending me the link?

[dreamings-free]

i kinda get why the show was moved to a smaller venue, tickets are not affordable at all, the same thing is happening in latin america like fans have been giving away tickets to other fans because most of us can't afford them and it's the same reason why he hasn't sold out any shows here yet :(

well he doesn’t need to sell out every show to make enough of a profit for the tour to be economically sustainable. but he does of course need to sell a certain percentage and it seems that just isn’t possible rn in some markets. it’s probably at least in part due to higher ticket prices than the last tour (again because of higher costs of touring compared to 2019/20 when most of the tickets for the first tour was sold) and then combined with many people being hit by the higher cost of living and not being able to spend that much on concert ticket (+ travel). and we know louis has done what he could to keep ticket prices as low as possible, he did for the first tour. so it’s hard to see how this issue can be solved unless there’s a shift in the entire global economic situation. it sucks but it’s a reality louis and his team has no power to change

[skepticalarrie]

The way it has been over a week and Louis hasn't said anything about the canceled tour

I loved how he was chatty on twitter yesterday, it always lifts my mood when he just comes online to chat with us, it's so sweet of him. But yeah... it's a big elephant in the room, I'm sure he saw MANY questions about that yesterday and avoided them. So I think it's pretty clear by now that we're not getting any further explanation for now, for whatever reason.

[caralara]

I know Louis' your fave so I hope it's okay that I send you this. But recently the blinkers have been coming off for me in regards to Louis. I think I used to have him up on a bit of a pedestal. I just thought he was this really intelligent guy, really aware of social issues and willing to fight for the right thing and be rebellious when necessary. I don't know. I saw things playing out very differently. But unfortunately, lately, I've been seeing a lot of laziness and complacency and a willingness to settle from him. A lot of contradictions as well. Like he gets the anarchist symbol tattooed but doesn't speak out or place his support behind anything substantial. I'm sorry, legalizing weed is his most political stance. And then being seen with the Starbucks cup and actually covering it in the video like lmao. Not knowing what number year your festival is when he supposedly had big dreams for it. I know this is so small but it irks me that he's been going on about playing the guitar for years. And he is yet to bring it on stage for even one song! I know it comes from a place of self-doubt and insecurity no matter how confident he makes himself appear but like he just doesn't help himself. And fans exaggerating and praising every little thing he does as if he isn't just some basic white man does my head in. Sorry I word vomited on you and I know this sounds harsh but I acknowledge it comes from a bitter place where I feel like his potential is just not being met. At the end it's his life and I genuinely hope he doesn't have many regrets later on.

hi babe

I think I am completely in the same situation as you! I might not be triggered by exactly the same things but I’ve been going over and over it for the last couple days asking myself why I’m so annoyed with him right now?? And I think it really is just the disappointment finding out your fave man is after all, just a man.

Like, to me, it feels like he’s been stagnant since early 2023. right now, to me it feels like he’s just on the hunt for the cheap thrill, getting the validation in that he also can pull massive crowds of screaming girls just like he did during 1D (and it isn’t even the actual validation he’s looking for??? Like he still starts yapping every time a man validates him as if it’s so much more important??)

I feel like he lost focus, or energy, or both. You know, you said it!! You know I love Louis to death, he’s my favourite, and genuinely, I don’t blame him. It makes a lot of sense to me. He’s finally proven himself to not be a flop to all the people doubting him. He’s overcome all the obstacles, did LTWT and had massive success with it, way beyond anyone expected, rode that wave, made a second album that proved he’s not a one hit wonder either, an album he actually enjoyed making, and proved his fans liked it, too. And then… it just kind of stagnated. His team made mistakes and miscalculations. Announcing Asia tour so short notice thinking, then cancelling bc it didn’t sell out, handling the announcements horribly, not realising LTWT was massive bc of all the pent up excitement and desire throughout years of a pandemic, the magnetism of it being the first solo world tour. They also didn’t get it when it came to Milano Summer fest vs. AFHF. The 35k sold out bc it was announced many months in advance and it was the last LTWT show - that’s meaningful to fans. It was easily accessible. You can’t translate just the numbers to „it’s bc he’s popular in Italy,“ there’s so many factors at play they ignored, and therefore AFHF Italy only sold 2/3 of tickets, and a lot of these people didn’t even show up (couldn’t, I better say).

For me, FITF felt like he had checked out a little. He’s plateauing. The excitement and irresistible draw he has is largely due to his resilience, his underdog persona he created that allows normal people to identify with him. And there just wasn’t any… growth since early 2023. He‘s also alienated a large part of his fandom with the bbg pushes, and as you know, I still believe it was all part of the bigger plan to end it, but it does feel like he gave up, got comfortable. And it’s not that I blame him for it necessarily?? Like all he’s been through? It makes a lot of sense to me that now he’s achieved all the things people told him he wouldn’t be able to achieve, that now the burn out sets in, that now, the driving energy of spite and wanting to prove himself has run out.

I feel like the jokes of “oh I’m a pothead I can’t remember if it’s the third or fourth edition of my super duper important close to my heart festival project” or “oh yeah sometimes I forget I’m an actual parent and have a kid” are getting old. Like, it doesn’t serve him anymore it feels like? To me it feels like the weed was a coping mechanism that helped him get through hard times, and that’s completely valid, but now it looks like to me it’s holding him back, blurring his genius.

I’m sorry for the rant back to you. I’m deeply upset because Louis is my escape, my happy place, fandom is my comfort, and I feel like it’s slipping through my fingers because it causes me more upset than happiness at this point. The amount of “kill yourself” messages I have gotten over criticising louis for announcing AFHF so short notice is frankly INSANE. Do people not talk to other people in real life?? How do the people around these people that send those messages deal with them in real life?? It’s so upsetting to see how many people feel comfortable typing out these kind of messages and sending them.

I do hope this feeling of mine calms down, and I can go back to just glorifying louis and have him as my comfort place, because I do not like the thoughts I have and the way it makes me feel.

[faithinlouisfuture]

Louies' 2023 Wrapped Tag Game

(Rules: Answer the questions below and tag at least 3 people!)

Thank you bestie @berlinini for tagging me 🤍 sorry i’m so late on this, work’s been kicking my ass, here we go though!

favorite walls song: this year; don’t let it break your heart

favorite fitf song: impossible to pick just one but right now; holding on to heartache (which is funny considering my fav off of Walls this year)

most played song on Spotify by Louis: Written All Over Your Face (ok whore)

favorite louis lyrics: that’s actually an impossible task because there’s WAY too many! but “there’s endless versions of the thing that keeps me drifting back to darkness” hits home in a way that i can’t explain in words

louis life lesson: it always remains the same; picking yourself back up after facing hardships, seeing the possibilities and positives in a difficult situation; basically strength & resilience

favorite louis outfit: oh that’s unfair, my little fashionista kills it 99% of the time so i have a list of favorite 50 outfits from 2023 but for the purpose of this game we’ll narrow it down to three (and it’s not even top three just three that i loved)

favorite tour show: there were so many good ones this year (Phoenix, Austin, Houston, LA, Philly, New York, Bologna, Paris, Antwerp, Vienna, Łódź, Sheffield, Cardiff, London) but the way that I felt physically ill after fitfwt: Columbus might need to be studied for science; the whiplash from the stark difference of him during the show and him post show was entirely TOO MUCH

favorite public appearance: has to be the RS Awards; the slutty custom-made fit, the main character energy throughout, the confidence, the glow, the ever present eloquence with which he spoke about his work and his successful af year, just him him him <3

favorite AOTV scene: once again there’s so many; that scene where louis’ recording Saturdays and we get some insight into his thinking and his process, the montage of louis with band and crew having an absolute blast while All This Time plays in the background, that one scene where JD is helping him put his hoodie on after he broke his elbow 👀 the last few minutes of the movie where we hear him say the words “i do feel like i deserve this” 🫶🏽🥹 and so so many more actually

favorite band or crew member: favorite three :p are Krystle, Steve & Joshua! special shout out to Joshua for going above and beyond this year honestly! that man carried lthq on his back!

favorite picture: another unfair question but i won’t cheat and post one of my absolute most favorites from this year because it’s like the energy of his shows captured in one moment (i found out on twitter that the hand in his hair belongs to a desi louie which was like the cherry on top)

something that you are looking forward to in 2024: the fitfwt latam shows!!! there is nothing else like the energy the latam crowds bring, which in turn brings out the absolute best (and most unhinged) in louis and his band too, so definitely looking forward to that! and the festivals!!! can’t wait to see him shine in front of the world <3 hope against hope to be a part of it if things work out 🤞🏽🕯️

one wish for Louis (or Louies) for 2024: 🍑🐧🎧 sighting! kidding (not really)! honestly though, growth

growth in this fandom’s level of maturity (with the addition of lots more people who are here for louis’ art and not his personal life), growth in the markets he’s able to capture, growth in the places he’s able and willing to tour *cough*ASIA*cough*, growth in the ability of his teams especially his social media and PR teams, growth from Louis himself in regards to him being open to trying new things

i don’t know who all has done this! but i’ll tag some people just in case (no pressure) @noraincsl @timidlouie @poekitty2020 @stormyhale @louveyous

[seasurfacefullofclouds1]

https://www.tumblr.com/seasurfacefullofclouds1/767876937108652032/i-mean-this-in-the-most-objective-way-possible

I know it feels amazing when we see louis doing great things, there was a time where i was constantly thinking about his numbers and stuff and it didn’t make it easy when other part of fandom only has one thing to drag louis is by bringing up his numbers… which in hindsight and recent turn of events should not be something neither us or louis should stress about.. louis says he is content doing what he loves, I believe that and hope that its true when he is not on camera as well.. having mental peace is more important and being content is more important because it will make us see things better, one would know what is right and what they should worry about..only thing i hope is that universe gives louis a break and gives all the good things he deserves!!!

Very much agree.

There were a lot of very smart and dedicated Louies who, for one reason or another, left Tumblr / Louie social media space.

There were a lot of hopes, frustrations, anxieties back in the day. The bullying from other fandoms and the frustration with lack of content were tough.

I don’t think anyone knew exactly how things would go, including Louis and his team. Even for FITF tour, the Asia leg of tour was cancelled, and there were poorly judged venue bookings in the USA.

The music is great. That’s all that matters, in the end— the music, and Louis’ sticking to his principles.

[different-names-on-the-gates]

Louies' 2023 Wrapped Tag Game

Rules: Answer the questions below and tag at least 3 people!

Thank you @gracefullou for the tag!

favorite walls song: Fearless and Only the Brave. I listened to OTB 10 times in a row last week, never gets old.

favorite fitf song: Headlineeee

most played song on Spotify by Louis: OTB and its way above any other song by any artist. Fav song of all time.

favorite louis lyrics: It was so hard to choose but probably "there were problems in this empty bottle / at the bottom, but we drained all that / So right now, all I need you to know is...

louis life lesson: Not to let things get you down.

favorite louis outfit: That fruit shirt!

favorite tour show: Laval Québec because its my show and Atlanta because of the outfit and the duet!

favorite public appearance: aotv LA because we got the livestream.

favorite AOTV scene: The compilation of him being goofy with Oli's voiceover haha.

favorite band or crew member: I don't really keep up with the band tbh :/

favorite picture:

something that you are looking forward to in 2024: The festivals!! And maybe a singleeee

one wish for Louis (or Louies) for 2024: Asia dates.

Tagging @noraincsl @melancholouie @odds-on-lou