#ESPECIALLY Alya and Adrien
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Happy (Late) Valentine's Day and @buggachat meme redraw thing!
#adrien agreste#alya cesaire#nino lahiffe#marinette dupain cheng#Marinette got a balayage to match with Ayla#I couldn't get myself to draw Marinette in her s5 fit for some reason#prob cause in this context they're going on a date and not going to school so it felt more natural to draw her dressing up?#especially with how... NERVOUS she was#my art
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You know, I liked Lila as a character much better when she was just a lonely girl who lied to get attention and clout rather than some evil mastermind who somehow has three (3) different identities and has a secret lair in the catacombs under Paris.
But the writing team doesnât want to hear that.
#not to mention how most of her lies suck and everyoneâs iq takes a plummet whenever she does#honestly she should��ve been done once the whole âframing Marinette and getting her expelledâ thing was done#she literally tells the principal that she has a disease that makes her lie uncontrollably still no one doubts anything she says#wtf#the plot armor is thick with this one#she had no business being in s4 or 5#especially once Alya leaned Marinette was Ladybug#miraculous#mlb#miraculous ladybug#adrien agreste#marinette#marinette dupain cheng#lila rossi#volpina#ml salt#ml writing critical#ml writing criticism#lila salt
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New season 6 renders dropped, how are we feeling


#the first one is very cute#the renders on the second one look kinda weird#but i hope in the show they will look better#especially the boys#miraculous ladybug#ml spoilers#ml s6 spoilers#adrien agreste#chat noir#marinette dupain cheng#ladybug#alya cesaire#rena rouge#nino lahiffe#carapace
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Okay I was in fact bitten by the nostalgia bug and can concede the new miraculous animation is overall better than the old oneâşď¸ I was simply momentarily disgusted by change âşď¸

#all it took was rewatching an old episode after having watched the new animation lol#I WILL HOWEVER SAY THEIR VIBES WHEN TRANSFORMED ARE SUPERIOR IN OLD ANIMATION#like they just look sm cooler especially chat noir#miraculous ladybug#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste#adrien x marinette#tales of ladybug and cat noir#adrienette#ladybug and chat noir#alya cesaire#chat noir#nino lahiffe#kagami tsurugi#gabriel agreste#mlb season 6#miraculous ladybug season 6#i may have overreacted a bit initially
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I've recently come across a couple of season 4 fanfics that dealt with the Chat Noir feeling left out and quitting thing and every time I read one I can't help but think "man did they chose the wrong side of the masks AND the wrong characters for this conflict. Chat Noir comes across terribly here". It's weird to see people try and justify his behavior and act like Ladybug was in the wrong.
Was Ladybug being the best friend ever? No, but friendship is secondary when they're wearing the masks. Paris comes first. Chat Noir quitting because he doesn't feel special enough is literally him endangering everyone he loves because his crush isn't paying enough attention to him and I truly can't tell if the show wanted us to feel like he was in the right or the wrong here. In Kuro Neko, Catwalker actually does acknowledge the lesson he needed to learn
There's nothing wrong with you. Maybe the boy who was Cat Noir was more sensitive than it seemed. But his feelings for you shouldn't force you to pay more attention to him than to others. You take care of everybody equally, Ladybug.Â
And Chat Noir apologizes at the end of the episode for causing Ladybug trouble, but the whole thing is incredibly lackluster. They don't actually have a meaningful conversation about why he was feeling that way and the rest of the season seems to present Ladybug as being in the wrong, especially the final! Trusting Alya leads to nothing meaningful and not trusting Chat Noir loses her the miraculous. Basically, I still have no idea what season 4 was trying to do with this conflict and it's been dropped forever now that Adrien is fully reduced to nothing more than arm candy.
HOWEVER, this basic setup could have been a fantastic b plot if the "Adrien doesn't feel needed" conflict wasn't a Ladynoir conflict, but was instead a conflict between Adrien and Nino. Move Rocketear up to earlier in the season and have the fallout from that be that Adrien's relationship with Nino is strained. He can still feel leftout because Ladybug has a bigger team now, but instead of him pouting about it and skipping fights, focus on how that need for connection has transferred to his civilian life, but he doesn't have Kagami or Nino now and he's lost. Then you can either have an Adrien and Nino b plot because that relationship needs more screen time OR you use this to make Adrien and Marinette start to grow closer because Rocketear's fallout is also Alya paying more attention to Nino. Then, when season 5 does the whole crush switch, it actually feels earned.
#ml writing salt#ml writing critical#adrien deserves better#marinette deserves better#ml season 4 salt#Can you tell that I'm a little tired of fics that try to blame Ladybug for Chat Noir feeling left out?#It's reasonable for him to have those feelings but boy did they have him express them in a way that was totally unbecoming for a hero#She's a little too busy saving the world and trying to stay sane to worry about his emotions#Especially when he never actually tells her that something's wrong#Though I will absolutely grant you that he needed to know about the Alya situation and keeping him in the dark was BS#I love Alya but that plot was so stupid for so many reasons#It felt like it was just added for cheap drama and not because it was a good addition to the show
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YES ALYA GO OFF! CALL HER OUT!
#miraculous#miraculous ladybug#miraculous season 6#miraculous revelator#canât believe they just erased alyaâs memories like that#actually wait yes I can#let her go off#she mad mad#marinette needs to face some consequences for once in her life#like this is what Iâm here for#Marinette lying about Gabe (especially to Adrien) coming back to bite her in the butt#can you tell Iâm not a marinette fan#like go off Alya#tell her like it is#alya just got some brownie points for this
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Something I love about mlb is when these teenagers just get to be dumb fucks with eachother. Like Alya and Marinette being besties, Nino and Adrien being stupid together, Chat Noir fucking around and having fun, Ladybug getting to have thise moments when she relaxes and leans on Chat. Its so human. I live for it.
#Especially because so many of them donât normally get to have fun#ladybug has the weight of the world on her#adrien cant slip for one second incase his father finds out#i love when they can be kids together#they are the best moments of the show#miraculous ladybug#mlbposting#marinette dupain cheng#chat noir#adrien agreste#mlb#miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir#mlb ladybug#adrian agreste#mlb opinions#self post#alya cesaire#nino and adrien are besties#nino lahiffe#marinette and alya being besties#ladynoir
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watched revelator. first of all, so happy to see felix. second of all oooooh my gosh whadda hell that's so fucked /pos
#I was a little confused at first I think but yeah I understand we good#and I agree that Ladybug should tell people herself#she needs to make that choice. she needs to speak up#because having it just get found out like. Alya would be much less mad if Marinette had told her directly#even if it took a while right#and she should tell adrien! of course she should! but it's scary and hard like idk if I'd want to tell him either eeek#especially at her age right like being a teenager makes shit scarier absolutely#I do think Mari is keeping too many secrets and they're building up and this is. not healthy for her even#let alone the impact on adrien#something I think she could do is talk to felix about this#not just saying this because I miss him#but like. he knows right#she should talk to someone else who already knows#though I guess by that logic Tikki or Nathalie would also work#just! talk to someone#get your feelings out. come up with a plan to tell Adrien. get yourself together#I think Felix or Nathalie are the best options for that and not Tikki#because they're both closer to Adrien so I think they'd have better advice. it's a delicate situation#idk I just. I hope she doesn't put it off even more now#because now she's convinced people will hate her if they know she kept it a secret#and that's not true or at least not to such an extreme#but she's good at catastrophising and she's panicking#and she needs to! talk to! someone! gah.#also. adrien getting the power to erase the secret that he needed to know he needs to know he needs to#GAHHHH#melting into a puddle of goo on the floor. this show is good sometimes hhhhh
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To commemorate breaking 100 notes on this post

Honestly fair, Iâm sick of their crap also (which probably isnât super surprising considering I literally made the post lol)
What she says: âIâm fine.â
What she means: There is a whole subsection of the Miraculous Ladybug fandom who thinks one character having to sit by herself in the back of the class for a single episode (literally gets her seat back by the end) is worse than another character getting abused by his dad for five seasons.
#how do ppl get upset about bad writing#only to turn around and write (the characters) even worse#this post was especially targeted toward the Alya and Adrien salt subsets of the Chameleon saltdom#since they work the hardest to support Marinette but also get blasted the most for some ungodly reason#but heck Iâm also pretty done with the hate towards the minor side characters#the class extras who only have four personality traits each (at best) yet somehow the salters manage to simplify them even more#sigh
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I actually think the nature of the love square is really interesting because the love square itself is the main ship of the show and Adrienette and Ladynoir are like ⌠pieces of that ship
When we ship them, we ship them with the knowledge of all sides of them, and usually when they get together in fics itâs post-reveal. Why? Because thatâs the whole ship
Ladynoir trust each other completely and are comfortable around each other and enjoy bantering ⌠but they canât be a part of each otherâs regular lives
Adrienette can do that ⌠but theyâre not completely comfortable around each other yet, especially with this huge secret about Adrien that Marinette is keeping
I think itâs really interesting that the show decided to get Adrienette together pre-reveal because itâs so clear that theyâre missing the Ladynoir aspect of the ship, especially with all the emphasis in Illustrhater about them not having the partnership that Alya and Nino do as superheroes ⌠despite the fact that theyâre THE superhero duo of the city
Idk I just find it really interesting that the main ship of this show is currently half a ship
#ml spoilers#ml season 6 spoilers#ml illustrhater spoilers#miraculous ladybug spoilers#miraculous ladybug#miraculous#ml#mlb#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste#ladybug#chat noir#adrienette#ladynoir#love square#Zoe yaps about miraculous
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One of the tragedies of Miraculous Ladybug is that Adrien and Alya aren't as close friends as they could be. They're both "new kids" at the start of the series. They're both massive fans of superheroes, ESPECIALLY Ladybug. They both quickly become experts in dealing with Marinette's panic spirals. Both of them think Nino is the Coolest Dude to ever Cool Dude. Let's be honest they're probably both anime addicts. They're both chaos gremlins in their own way.
But despite being apparently part of the same little social group at school, Alya and Adrien barely seem to interact without Marinette acting as a bridge. And that's sad. Let Alya and Adrien have a day where they just get to be chaotic together. It'd be so fun.
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âWhy is Marinette suddenly clumsy around Adrien again?â, âWhy is she acting weird again?â, âShe was acting fine before,â
Yeah, she WAS acting normal at the end of season five, but that was before she found out her boyfriendâs dad was the supervillain terrorising Paris and had then witnessed his death.
Marinette now has even MORE secrets she has to keep and she canât tell anyone. Not Chat Noir, not Alya, and ESPECIALLY not Adrien. So yeah sheâs going to be acting a little more strange again because she now has this added strain on their relationship, because even after his death, Gabriel Agreste/Monarch still has control over her.
#mlb#miraculous ladybug#ladybug#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste#chat noir#miraculous season 6#gabriel agreste
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I will sign whatever petition to make this happen đđđ
I want more interactions! I want rose and chloe to bond over stuffed animals. I want nino and alix to pull stupid pranks on people and vandalize shit. I want kagami and nathaniel to hang out (and talk about how fun it is to draw marinette and their respective boyfriends). I want adrien and juleka to play piano and sing and make music together. I want marinette and max working together to design an entire video game. I want luka and kim to smoke weed together and have the funniest and stupidest conversation imaginable. I want ivan and alya babysitting her sisters together so he can have more experience with kids to be a stay at home dad. I want zoe and mylene to build a school garden together. yknow shit like that.
Also I want more ondine. give me more hot tall buff freckled girl right now.
#especially more ondine!!#i was so sad she wasn't a recurring character#she's so cool!!#miraculous#miraculous ladybug#miracuclass#ml#rose lavillant#chloe bourgeois#nino lahiffe#alix kubdel#kagami tsurugi#nathaniel kurtzberg#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste#max kante#juleka couffaine#luka couffaine#kim le chien#alya cesaire#ivan bruel#mylene haprele#zoe lee
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Yo, hey man!
Accident Swap, does Marinette even *care* about Lila in your AU, or is she just another nuisance she can brush off?
Does Lila try to say Ladynoir is evil because of all the destruction, or does she go Canon Route with "Ladybug/Ladynoir and me? We're best friends!"?
Hey!
Marinette does care about Lila but not in the same way, she doesn't want her lies hurting her friends. In my AU they don't believe the bad things she says about Mari cause like- they know her. But like people often are, they give her the benefit of the doubt, and Lila is smart, she realizes she can't just lie about anything, especially since the class does actually know celebrities. She plays the long con game, having to take a different more subtle approach, she blames Marinette for making it harder for her to get what she wants. Marinette tries to keep tabs on her but there's only so much she can do, especially with her responsibilities, so there are people who fall on Lila's side, but none of them are Marinette's friends. (Kagami would never believe this girl over Marinette. I'm sorry, but no)
Lila pretends she's close with Mr. Bug in this AU, she has seen how Lady Noire isn't publicly loved as much and jumps on that, this is what gets her more popularity, since Adrien is a sweet boy, he doesn't want to publicly humiliate Lila, especially since it might draw Hawkmoths attention to her. In this AU Alya of course is start struck with the idea of Lila knowing Mr. Bug, but isn't irrational enough to place that in her blog to make her a target. So it just remains in their group that Lila told, Adrien coming as Mr. Bug to prove her wrong might end up causing more problems in his head. She does start spreading rumours to gain more interest from their friend group, jumping on the narrative that Mr. Bug had told her he doesn't really like Lady Noire, the public isn't really aware how much she does because it's the miraculous ladybugs that fix everything, so he must be the one in charge. Lila also spreads rumours that she has actually talked with Lady Noire and just insults her character, lying about how she doesn't care about Paris and that she generally was really rude. Lila doesn't actually care about the heroes, but she realized it was an easy way to get attention and trust from the classmates as long as she was careful about it, people are easily swayed by gossip and fear. Alya was on her side up until she was Rena Rouge, quickly deleted all the old theories Lila helped her come up with from her blog after that. (She becomes Rena after Lila is introduced in my AU).
I hope that answered the questions! I got a bit sidetracked while typing this, on the phone it's hard to scroll up and down without it glitching akdnlaf
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Miraculous identity rant
I have seen videos, comments, post about the latest season 6 episode The ruler, mainly the aftermath of how Marc and Nathaniel decided to reveal to each other their hero identities.


People are saying that â Ladybug should/ would take back their miraculous.â âThey shouldnât have a miraculous if theyâre going to do that.â âTheyâre putting each other at risk.â Iâm NOT saying people canât have thoughts and opinions about the episode just Careful on how you phase your theories, watch back to some of the episode if needed to.
My main point
Since most arenât reading it đ˘
How is it far and acceptable to all these side characters revealing their identities and secrets but not when it comes to those two. Where was the hate with Alya and Nino or Kagami and Felix? Heterosexual couples that revealed their secrets to each other?
Since the comic was based off of them, Nath changed the ending so we donât know what it is unless they choose to tell us. We also donât know much about their character as they werenât seen much in previous seasons other than the fact that they enjoy each others company, into fantasy, they love to work on comic and thatâs about it.
Them knowing the identities of each other would help make them stronger in battle and future challenges just like the best friend group, Kagami and Felix, or probably with MylĂŠne and Ivan.
I think the lesson on that last scene especially for Nathaniel is that he shouldnât hide who he is with being bisexual in the term of him hiding his comic.
Marc being the one who had always been there to support his struggles, defending him by making up lies to his mom about a school assignment, jumping into danger to protect him from an akuma and being the shoulder for him to lean on.
I believe that they came to that term of their relationship where they shouldnât keep any secrets from each other. With Nathaniel wanting to protect Marc but trusting him with that information.

Similar to gang of secret with Marinette dealing with an extremely difficult and stressful situation of now being the new guardian. Alya being her best friend was willing to wait and offer to help with whatever was on her mind until Marinette broke down and revealed to that she was Ladybug.
So why canât Marc and Nathaniel do the same?
May I also remind the fans that in earlier seasons there has been countless reveals.

First off Chloe not only revealing a miraculous but also transforming into Queen bee in front of everyone and to the world.
Ladybug stated she could not give her the bee miraculous anymore as she had put herself and her loved ones in danger but proceed to still give it to her when they needed help.
Until the episode Miracle Queen where she betrayed them

Chloe had revealed the other heroes identity to the enemy breaking Ladybugâs trust in her.
Hawkmoth already knew Chloe and Kagami but that was just added more to the list with that information and the translation of the miraculous book which were probably saved in Tomoe Tsurugiâs laptop thatâs now in Lilaâs possession. She knows their identities.

Felix had also done the same in season 5 Emotion during the Diamond dance in front of people but not on screen for the world to see compare to Chloe.
His mom also knows but chose to keep it secret as she loves her son.
Ladybug did demand the miraculous back twice but randomly gave up.

Nino and Alya during season 2 Heroes day. Ladybug gave them the miraculous at the same time being unable to separate them from the current situation they were in even let them be permanent holders too.
When Alya went into hiding as Rena Furtive in season 4 Marinette told her to keep it a secret but she still told Nino.

Nino had also revealed his and Alyaâs hero identity to Adrien in Rocket tear and Marinette finding out in Deflagration.

In season 5 Multiplication. Alix as Bunnix was revealed to the whole class by her dad with the addition of a Marc included in episode Reunion and Luka in the season 5 finale probably more but weâre unsure about that.
If they were to get akumatized ?
They havenât been akumatized since their introduction in season 1 and 2
Puppeteer does not count as Nathaniel was not affected by the akuma but more forcefully transformed and controlled by a doll.
Same goes for Gamer 2.0 as everyone literally got turned into akumatized video game characters.
Even if they were in a upsetting or sad state to where theyâre about to get akumatized. Theyâre able to break the hold knowing that they are both Miraculous holders just like Sabrina did in Daddycop.
Ladybug told them to keep it a secret.
Where? When? If you all are referring to the penalteam episode in season 4 Ladybug never told that to either of them.
During the part where she gave them their Miraculous she was reassuring Marc and suggested that Nathaniel joins. Never once did she say that people are forbidden to know their identities.
Ladybug to Marc: youâre too hard on yourself, youâre more talent than you realize.
Ladybug towards Nathaniel: youâll use the power for the greater good and return it to me once the job is done.
What if people saw from the outside ?
Nathanielâs window was being covered by the sun and if you ever look at building where the sun is shining then youâll know canât see nothing but bright light even when itâs setting.
The window could be tainted on the outside for privacy. Hardly doubt the bed frame did any help as that entire area was covered in glass.
Trees were covering some parts so we donât know how tall Nathanielâs place is.
Heck even Adrien has transformed in his room before countless time and one section of his wall is literally made of window.
What if one of them goes into hiding?
I donât think itâs possible due to the fact they only knew each others.
If they knew Ladybug and Chat noirâs identity like Luka and Alix then I can see why.
The antagonist always to seem to want one thing which are the bug earrings and cat ring due to its ability to make a wish and not the other miraculous jewels even if some are extremely powerful like time travel, reset time, teleportation, transfer objects, have any power or object you want.
What if Chat Noir erases their memories?
His new ability to erase parts of memories are if the person is willing to accept it but thatâll erase only that part of their memories and throw away the whole point of trusting in each other.
#miraculous nathaniel#miraculous spoilers#miraculous season 6#miraculous marc#marc x nathaniel#nathaniel kurtzberg#nathaniel x marc#nathmarc#marcaniel#rant post
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AHHH copycat is so good!! I absolutely love all the small details like the cat noir poster with darts, the fact ladybug and chat are both blurry compared to the news reporters, copycat having a gardevoir keychain, and Nino holding Alya back!! The dialogue is also super refreshing and feels so natural especially the cape pen part! (The way you guys write makes me insane and I canât even begin to describe it.) You guys do such a amazing job capturing everything and making it so genuine
I was curious about what the inspiration for this was? I can see bits and pieces of all kinds of things ( perfect blue and maybeee Madoka Magica with lucky and her attack/general appearance) If you can talk about it without spoilers for the second part!!
I think Ladybug being treated as a celebrity is unfortunately most commonly used in this fandom for the sake of putting her on level playing field fame-wise with Adrien, thus being another vehicle for shippies rather than explored as interesting within itself. There's a fuck ton of critique about capitalism, consumerism, and celeb culture to be had in a superhero story (*cough cough* Vought International *cough*), and that's an element that's always fascinated us in the LT crew.
Later installments with Fakeybug will center around her relationship to Marinette and how Marinette views herself (with Fakeybug as a parallel/conduit), but until we get there the first step in Fakeybug's arc is her introduction as the commercialized, sanitized commodity that Ladybug is warped into, and eventually how Fakeybug will break out of that mold. Given that, there's obviously the conceit following Fakeybug of the limited roles of women in patriarchal society, and that if women do not fit into palatable, digestible roles (i.e. Ladybug), their selves will be misconstrued and warped to make them fit one (i.e. Fakeybug).
All this to say, I'd personally love more AUs that go the gritty realism route in service of deconstructing superheroes from the lens of fame (and its subsequent disillusionment between one's public persona and private identity) and consumerism, especially in magical girl shows or other media that is, frankly, meant to sell toys.
What really is the difference between the knockoff market stall Fakeybug merchandise, and, say, the merchandise made for Miraculous Ladybug in the real world?
oooh... meta.....
#i'll admit i don't really see the madoka in her though? the wand is precure inspired actually#like if anything precure is a MUCH better comparison to her considering how Product she is and how many fucking precure touys there are#wis responds#asks#mlb la terreur au#la terreur 04#fakeybug
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