#Davekat still sucks

[seagullcharmer]

aaaaand officially finished rereading homestuck!

[junejasprose-addict]

I still stand by what I said about hsbc, I still have no faith in post-canon doing june egbert right. But seeing davekat-sucks cry about this on dozens of different posts in the june tags means it was all worth it

[5-htagonist]

jesus christ i have not been in a homestuck maintag in literal years. went to hsbc. davekat-sucks is STILL around clogging tags????????? how??????

[chthonicarcher]

Hello!! I've been a fan of your art and writing for a while now, and I wanted you to know your works a big inspiration and comfort to me!! Anywho, thoughts on Davebot and Commander Vantas :]

first of all, wow, thank you so much!! that’s so kind <3

mkay so...

the thing is,

sigh. so. okay.

okay listen—

OKAY THE FIRST THING I GOTTA SAY, and I mean this ought to go *without* saying but I’m still just going to say it: this is all JUST MY OPINION!! it’s subjective, I’m not saying other people are wrong just bc we may happen to disagree about this!

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, though, I only really engage with “beyond canon” or “dubious canon” or “post-canon” content in the way I’m doing right here, which is to say, drawing silly requests to dress up CKat as Hatsune Miku or whatever. or sometimes drawing something featuring meat or candy DaveKat specifically for my dear friend bug, who loves the epilogues and HS2, and still has a lot of hope for a happy DaveKat ending in *both* timelines. (love you bug, love your optimism, and I hope for your sake that HS2 doesn’t disappoint!)

because **MY** opinion of all that is that it sucks and shouldn’t exist, lol. sorry!! I hate its very existence! I ignore it and I mostly avoid it because it upsets me deeply, and I only engage (very shallowly) with the elements I can fully get behind, which usually means “cool outfits” or “cool designs.” Davebot looks real cool, man! that’s about all I can say about him without wanting to vomit!! his very existence makes me sad as fuck and I hate it, idk what else to tell you. I hate that even though that story goes out of its way to point out how non-canon it is, just by nature of being an officially sanctioned product it kinda IS canon, and the fans sure treat it that way, and I’m not even saying they’re wrong. if Hussie wanted the epilogues to actually be treated like fanfic maybe they shouldn’t’ve attached their name, man, idk.

anyway, I know drawing CKat and Davebot as just silly little guys without actually fully engaging with/reading post-canon sorta makes me part of “the problem,” like those “fans” of Homestuck who don’t understand it at all bc they HAVEN’T READ IT yet insist on making art about it that misunderstands the characters? but tbh I just don’t like or respect post-canon stuff in the same way I like and respect the original work. to me it is fanfic, and not even like a good one that I would bookmark or download a PDF of, lol. sorry if this disappoints you! I still think the designs are cool ✌️

[starsnores]

I have no clue why they nailed home davekat as hard as they did tbh. And this is once again coming from the person who used to be huge into davekat, to the point where when i got back into homestuck it was a legit shock for me to not really like it anymore. Davekat being my otp used to be like. Part of my fandom identity and now its just kinda?? Davekat itself isn’t cringe but dear god i feel like the way the hs team handled davekat is. Makes me a feel a little embarrassed if some cute art makes me smile which is wild. It’s gotten to the point where i really only like davekat if its fully removed from source and in its own little bubble. They went so hard on it that it looped back around to being cringe for me personally at least

I feel like the reason is because of how they treat gamzee and gamkar tbh. I can’t really agree with the people saying “hey this is what you should be shipping” when the same people are fumbling an amazing character and concept so hard that they absolutely ruin it. If anything it makes me want to explore gamzee more as a proper character. I want gamzee to be given a fair chance and to be treated with the same respect and dignity that vriska got.

Agree with all that last part but that's kinda sad that you can't enjoy davekat the same anymore :o( the idea that how it was treated in canon killed it for you sucks, especially bc that's the opposite of the intended reaction it seems. Idk there's a feeling that whoever wrote that pesterquest route wanted to put down gamkar for davekats benefit and shipwars are always cringe especially when it's the source material doing it so. I guess calling how davekat was handled cringe makes sense but still sucks that you cant enjoy it the same.

[souji-upseta]

yo my name is nyx, it's my birthday today (2/3). my birthdays have sucked SHIT the past few years for reasons that are depressing—

—cringe is also dead, i killed her myself, and i'm still grieving her loss. its been very hard for me—

—since i am the protagonist of Me and can do st abt this, this year i turn 31, and i will at some point turn 31.4, with all of this in mind, what do i want for my birthday? i'll tell you:

to talk about homestuck.

i'll do that, anyways, but you'd be doing me a gift by giving me a prompt to follow, and to feel slightly more validated in my inability to shut up about my hyperfixation.

so i'm asking YOU to talk about homestuck with me.

talk to me abt homestuck? ask me my headcanons. my thoughts. my relationship to the work. tell me yours. expect nothing that's profound, and plenty that's stupid.

i'm even turning anon on, for the first time in 6 fucking years. where making this happen.

this never expires btw. today is my birthday, but, for story purposes, let's say that it's still my birthday after it isn't, bc i will still want and, if i am honest, NEED you to talk to me about homestuck for years onward. i'm very metatextual like that.

i get the feeling it's going to be a long day.

>Nyx: Be the other guy.

You are now the other guy! What will you do?

>Web Tumblr User: Inbox Tumblr user souji-upseta?

>Mobile App Tumblr User: Do that, but hyperlink is unavailable?

=(n×∞)>

FOURTH WALL BREAK!

you are now nyx again, and i am now me, and i need to exposit some lore.

as in, some starting points to get u going, since "homestuck" is a very broad subject:

•i'm a massive massive slut for the epilogues and post canon content/hsbc. pesterquest is too good for this gay earth.

•dirk is my fav, ALL of the dirks, all of them, and it isn't even close. my fav relationship is the canon platonic/familial one between dirk and dave. i fucking love the striders. dave is my 1.5th fav.

•im more invested in dave's relationship to corndogs (and corn dogs) than you even know.

•mspa reader is my second fav after the striders, bc they are a good thembo friendsimp and also bc they are me and they are You. i might be biased. i love You. i love me. i love us. we're fucking gr8.

•im pretty canon-compliant, so my fav ship is dirkjake as exes (for now), and my fav ship as not-exes is panquadrant (canon) davekat.

i'm also really fascinated by rosemary and would welcome more opportunities to learn abt and talk about them but if homestuck makes a statement about anything it's to let the women and the sapphic characters tell their story (thats a joke, talk to me abt them too)

•june eg(g)bert real.

•i'm fascinated by classpects and the applications of paradox space's classpecting and extended zodiac system when applied to real life, since our only experience of those fictional systems is in linear dimensions of spacetime, and our only experience of astrology is as a species that in-universe cannot experience the sign caste system the same way the fictional aliens that created our species in their own image do. skaia knows, but we sure as fuck don't.

•i'm a former prince of heart (2012-2020) and a current knight of space, and my aspect is light. that is a thing that actually makes perfect sense for the reasons i just said.

don't ask me about vriska serket or (vriska) serket. not bc i'm not willing to discuss dark or problematic characters (hello, lanque bombyx) but bc:

for one, she can speak for her damn self, and has, tyvm.

for two, talking at length about a problematic character in any positive capacity marks you as an enemy of the state if that character is a woman, and being an enemy of the state is way too much fucking pressure for me for reasons i already explained as soon as i told you i'm a knignt of space. i wouldnt make a very good enemy of the state. it'd be an unhealthy blackrom relationship to the detriment of us all.

for three, i can just give you all my opinions/headcanons on vriska that matter:

•JOHN HUGGING VRISKA IN HSBC YESSSSSSSSSS

•she's greasy and gross and unkept af but not unclean or unsanitary, like, she bathes, she smells fine, she changes her clothes, but she's got the troll crust punk aesthetic absolutely on LOCK. she doesn't comb her hair.

•it would have been funny if she did even more bad things

•aradia did nothing wrong. vriska did but the meme is funny even if someone needs to take that meme out back and shoot it for the good of humanity.

•she should beat up ultimate dirk, and my reasoning for that is bc that would, also, be really fucking funny if she did

•john has both punched her in the face and hugged her, and now that john has punched aranea in the face, all that's left is for june—i assume she will have come out of her egg(bert) by then—to hug aranea and complete the circle of stupidity.

•she is trans yeah but she doesn't wanna get into it, she doesn't have to, and neither do i.

•vrisrezi most important relationship in homestuck.

there. you already got me to talk about vriska at length, and you didn't have to try. moot issue.

[davekat-sucks]

not even homestuck 2's staff say "June" John is still John in the comic now and he is still John in questionnaires. Why does the fandom even pretend John is a girl at this point? They have completely ruined this fandom and it sucks because i still love these characters. I want more but not if the fandom is going to force the main character to be something he is not. June Egbert is worse than Davekat by all accounts.

If they aren't saying June because of the sequel not saying June either as to follow the meta narrative, that's a bullshit way to go about it.

June Egbert is worse than Davekat.

[fluffyartbl0g]

Going through all my follows rn, what's your favourite character/ship (platonic or otherwise) dynamics?

(also I know I've just randomly shown up in your asks, your time travel au has been an absolute joy to read, keep it up friendo!!!)

Thank you so much :DDD!!! I'm so glad that you've enjoyed reading my time travel au and I super appreciate the ask cause I LOVE TALKING ABOUT MY ONE PIECE OPINIONS >:DDD!!!! I'll put it under read more ouo

Anyways my OTP,,,, is,,, NAKAMASHIP!!!! There's nothing more that I love than the strawhat crew ; - ; I have literally shed tears over all of my strawhats and I love that they all love eachother deeply... On my one piece reread- I made sure to pay extra attention to all the character interactions and jokes. And can I just say, I see so many people talk about how the strawhats barely interact post time skip, or that some characters are basically strangers to each other (I saw someone say this about Franky and Zoro), but THEY DO TALK!!! THEY HAVE SO MANY FUN INTERACTIONS!!!

Oda is SO good at balancing these funny little character moments between important story beats >:O I think Zou in particular had a bunch of nakamaship moments that I really loved. One of my favourite lesser loved dynamics in the crew is usopp and robin (which you would know if you looked at my art of them XD) because they have a bunch of funny bits between them :3

My romantic OTP of all time is ZOLU THOUGH. And I tried really hard to not ship it immediately when i first started reading one piece, because I do this kind of thing alot when I get into media where I latch onto the protag and the guy close to the protag and ship em together??? Like I was so obsessed with JohnDave that DaveKat just hurt me,,, And I liked bakudeku so much that I couldn't get into kiribaku... AND I DIDNT WANT THE TREND TO CONTINUE TO ONE PIECE T - T And it SOMEWHAT did, but it also somewhat didnt. When I first heard Zosan was the most popular ship, like leagues above zolu, I was in physical pain,,, But REMEMBER; nakamaship is my first otp, so I still really enjoyed the idea of zoro and sanji because I enjoy the dynamics between ALL of my strawhats >:(!!!

I'm super duper obsessed with one piece and it sucks that there's all this great fanfiction out there that is effectively barred against me because there's a ship that I don't like >:/ So what I did to become more accepting of Zosan is,,, I drew them making out a ton XD If you look at my early one piece doodle piles, you'll see one of them with a couple of zosan things HAHAHA. Honestly it vaguely worked, but I'm super picky about the zosan fics I read, cause I feel like people can wildly mischaracterize zoro pretty easily.

Anyways I don't think I really answered ur question properly, I really love the king/knight loyalty but also just good bros dynamic that's happening with luffy and zoro :) But in general I just love a good sunshine person/grumpy person ship! (geraskier, bakudeku, megamenace, kagehina, hitomi and shousuke <<< quite upset that the ship sank, Fakir and Ahiru, wrightworth, etc)

Thanks again for the question <3

[picocat4]

https://twitter.com/Galaxy_Pinata/status/1787528168254919110

For those unaware, about a week ago i made an askpost on @davekat-sucks's blog as a response to another askpost about this guy, who was accusing the englishpumpkinparty discord server of harrassing them, when most of that was either a consequence of his weird behaviour or punished by the server admins.

It seems this guy is still trying to find a way to get back at people in epp who called him out for his behaviour by now attacking davekatsucks, who they previously tried to use as a soapbox.

Either way, beware of this guy. Hes not necessarily a bad person or anything, just a very prone liar and manipulator, according to both his behaviour on the epp discord and some stories from people i will not name here nor anywhere else.

I dont think its their fault and it probably has something to do with their mental health.

Just avoid them, for their own wellbeing and to not get enveloped in dumbass lolcow drama like this one.

[booperbeanv3]

🔥

Homduck

UNPOPULAR OPINION: i mean besides "if you read homestuck without the slurs/poorly aged content you're not reading homestuck" i got nothin. Homestuck will always be dated as hell, that's why people read it nowadays (and. i guess peer pressure)

a lot of old homestuck misconceptions died out in 2012. most people are really reasonable on Tumblr in my experience so I'll rapidfire ramble here. sorry you get opinions plural

-> The way people treat June is insane. You're not gonna die if you admit she used to be a dude named John. Especially considering, y'know, June doesn't exist in the canon. Dove Strider has more basis than June and I don't even like that headcanon (<- FtM Striders FTW)

-> Cont. pls stahp making june like diet jade . you HAVE a silly girl. right there. pls. jade is silly. june is mischievous. learn your jesting terminology! some of you guys write her like your quirky tranny oc and not like. a person. it's rlly obvious for homestuck characterisation in particular bc most characters are at least two-note. even the dancestors. and those guys SUCKED

-> Horrible Gamzee is actually top-tier. Bro is a tar pit. Toxic gamkar(ezi) needs to be explored more... in a way that ISN'T "hurr addicts are evil" i have SUCH strong opinions on how addiction is written in fanworks HOLD ME BACK

-> what the fuck why did we never get good quadrants that aren't flushed or meowrails this annoys me so much. give me a good kismesissitude ffs. pre-retcon davekat could've been so awesome...

-> The retcon was fucking retarded. The way they just never address the disconnect John probably has between all his friends because of this. Maybe it's addressed in the epilogues/HS^2 but I. I'm not touchin that shit

-> The act 6 art style is ugly and I don't understand WHY they kept it up for the post-canon content. Actually I do know why. It's easy to emulate and mass produce at the speed of light. Still, it lacks the charm of the earlier panels. I'd rather have Hussnasty Round 2 than Act 6 Bloboramas

[turntechpotthead]

my toxic trait is that i'm a 22 year old adult man and if someone even remotely has a bad opinion about davekat i block them on sight

don't like davekat? blocked!

don't understand their dynamic? blocked!

"oh well actually i still ship johndave/johnkat/daverezi/solkat sooo davekat sucks" blocked! *

they mean everything to me

*(dave has 2 hands. karkat literally comes from a polyamorous society. you can have everything you dream of, you ignorant swine.)

[missus-paint]

Ironically I've seen people who are don't care who are genuinely less disrespectful. You know, insert the obligatory joke about having nothing or being davekat's pet thing here.

YEAH can’t really disrespect something you don’t care about(kinda LOL) which is much better then fucking davekat petifcation ugghh

it just still kinda sucks to me, like personally the carapacians are such a big part of the comic so it kinda just sucks for it to not be cared as much, which is no one’s fault! can’t Force yourself to like something but idk

[hostilemuppet]

I need to stop assuming good faith of any new fandom I join cause I was in the homestuck trenches with the background rosemary that just so happened to be tagged in a davekat fic, and I was still shocked by the vanilla vivarb. It kinda sucks that I’m only realizing this now despite seeing it in a bunch of different fandoms and being upset about it. I haven’t really analyzed the why behind it aside from being peeved that most of the tagged WLW fics had it in the background instead of being the focus

contrary to popular belief there are actually THREE constants in life: death, taxes, and fandoms are misogynistic

[pory-z]

b4 the clock strikes midnight and i'm still allowed to post homestuck on main

davekat sucks

jadekat forever 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

[spacedhead]

homestuck reread #18: the prologue (briefly) and meat p1

----brief context----

i sorta fell out of homestuck a little after i finished it and its november now but in light of james roach reviving homestuck beyond canon i figured i might as well get the ball rolling on this. i originally started this post in september but i couldnt find it in myself to continue reading due to not liking where the story was going and also finding myself having a new hyperfixation

----end of context----

september 7th:

okay im gonna make a rule that this shit show thats about to happen is NOT CANON to me and in my head they won and then they created earth c and they all lived happily without any of this inane bullshit thats coming up.

ok to start off look at these fucking tags dude oh my god this is gonna be so BAD man what the FUCK did they do to these characters

theres no art which actually sucks! but with these tags maybe its good they didnt show this in images. instead they just describe it in excruciating detail. anyway, here's the first character interaction in here.... they both feel different. even in this brief exchange, something feels... off. maybe its just cause theyre older but they feel distinctly more... angsty? maybe they just seem sad. i dunno. homestuck has its sad moments but for the most part the characters arent like. sad people

/rolls eyes yeah i like the reference but not in this context...

ok so rose just explained what john has to do which is go back into canon and defeat lord english but.... this is really fucked up man . she knows

meat or candy.... fuck which one should i read first.... do i wanna be sad sooner or sad later ... MAN the epilogues SUCK!!!!! FUCK

um okay this is really gross. what is the point of this?? like EW john what the fuck

ok this is fine i guess i mean i like davekat

i guess i also like how he still has this weird obsession with obama

november 10th:

im back . but i think updates to this series will be slower. i need to ease myself back into it yknow? also. if i hadnt made it clear. i DO NOT LIKE the epilogues. especially because homestuck proper is my FAVORITE MEDIA OF ALL TIME. seeing the characters i love ruined like this in what is the most official capacity it could be in is.... just. sad to me. anyway. dave predicts the future about obama . cool.

yeah i do too man. cant have shit around here

yeah like. what even is this plot. jane has become this evil xenophobic cartoon ass villain. and everyones just like. damn thats crazy that shes just like that now. i also dont even understand WHY she wants to be president of earth c. like literally everyone else is just chilling. god whatever

brother he is not coming back

also, this has nothing to do with the epilogues per se. but at the time of writing this tomorrow will be 11/11. i am a little bit expecting a homestuck beyond canon updateeee hehehe . also burning down the house which is a really really good homestuck fan comic is supposed to update too. so awesome. hopefully both of those things happen. or even like. just one. anyway back to this slop

casual dave xenophobia classic dave you know how it is he would definitely be like this for real i believe this

man this would be so cool if it was like. drawn. i wish i could see it instead of having to envision it in my minds eye. not that i dont appreciate my minds eye for what she has to offer me but. imagine this what this panel would look like

noooooo FUCK

stares at you furiously judgementally

okay both of them most likely dont know shit about shit and neither do i but dave at least grew up in a time where there were people around and things happening and dirk thinks he knows everything but he actually doesnt know anything so i wouldnt trust him on fiscal policy

fym nuh uh

average teen roxy adult john interaction

literally down ontologically at this point

blah blah blah ultimate self blah blah evil arc WHO CARES. im bored. can i say that. i seriously D. GAF about dirk rn. monkey d. gaf

bro i fucking HATE JANE. LIKE WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYING RIGHT NOW

i dont have much to say about this i just thought it was worth putting here

nah. cause what the hell are you talking about girl. hello. why is she so horny. ong bro u gotta relax

okay well. this is pretty funny . hes dave and im karkat and we are the denial brothers

youre so intolerable is crazy. like hes trying to help you because you are bleeding tf out girl

wow. jane jake kiss. this rules. SAID NO ONE EVER. jake is asexual. jane is a nazi. and I. AM TIRED. OF THIS!!!!!!! I DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING .

wait fuck

marvel ass dialogue

NOOOO WHAT THE FUCK

okay this is the end of the first epilogues post. initial thoughts i dont like it why did i do this i dont wanna do it. but you know what they say in order to ascend first you must descend. little homestuck reference for you all. um idk when the next post will be im sorta busier than i used to be. and also? this sucks i dont like reading it

[davekat-sucks]

If you had your shot at rewritting the epilogues and homestuck 2 (lets just pretend that you went back in time or some other bullshit, maybe the epilogues were never released in the first place and the only scam was hiveswap act 3) what would you do with the characters? Or would you just let homestuck 1 be the end?

Any overarching theme youd like to explore? Any substantial changes to the characters? Anyone coming back to relevance or even life? Who'd be the main antagonist? Who would get togheter/break up?

Most importantly, would davekat still suck?

I would probably just let Homestuck 1 be the end and let everyone interpret their own ending. If Davekat is canon for some, that's fine. If some think Grimdorks (John x Rose) is canon, that's fine too. If some think KatNep is canon, that's also fine. There will be less discourse compared today. Bias me though, would probably find a way to get the dead trolls like Eridan, Feferi, Equius, and Nepeta, back onto Earth C. Maybe they are key players needed to fight against Calliope, who would be the next big bad. Maybe she has something that stops or seals John's retcon powers (or himself) so she can do whatever she pleases to the narrative the way she wants. Karkat's shipping block prophecy of JohnRose and DaveJade happens as Roxy moves on from both John and Calliope to get together with Eridan, who turns out to be the real MVP of the sequel. He would also fulfill his role in defeating against the Cherub as the Hero of Hope. I'd definitely also want Feferi to grow more as a character. Explore about how her coddling had affected the Beforus trolls and that her methods were not as great compared to The Condesce. The same for themes about their old beliefs from Alternia being challenged against Earth C and following it's human customs. Which means no grooming child soldiers, trolls get to have parents, and certain beliefs or practices (like Perigee's Eve) are toned down or eradicated for the sake of keeping humanity safe. Cause seriously, would people be that tolerant to trolls that celebrate Christmas that has them decorating LITERAL SHIT in public spaces or in homes? The smell of it in different neighborhoods or in the Troll Kingdom, would be awful as fuck to be around in. Though Kingdoms would not exist. Instead, it is pure democracy as intended by Wayward Vagabond. So Kings and Queens do not exist and at best, the Godtier kids are treated either like Presidents, Prime Ministers, or other political positions of power in their own small section, but never fully the whole world to be fair for other races like Consorts and Carapacians, to have their chance to be a leader for the people. And yes, Davekat would still suck. Even if has become a minority, I would never ship it. Not as a joke or serious thing.