#But this was a good question.. before he mentioned sister XDDD

[tapakah0]

YOU DID IT WHEEEEEEEZE Okay without jokes I have been reading random stories and other stuff where everyone had like a family trauma or one parent leave or no parents at all and so on. And even if someone had a normal family they were sidekicks. That started annoying me and I was wondering if I will see in the future something like THIS. Another point to you WHEEEEEEEEZE I LOVE IT

Part 15 :0

I think this is the last part of this episode ahahaha

In case you're wondering, Oscar's parents are happily married and absolutely in love with each other. All parents. All four. of them.

And he has three younger siblings he absolutely adores~

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Masterpost Ref for their fucked up villain family tree

[toujoursmiraculous]

Puppeteer 2 Reaction!

Let’s just... get directly to it. It’s very long. Adrien and Plagg in the beginning just having fun spending time together. That’s really sweet, we need more of this. Adrien can invite a friend somewhere for once :o So he calls Nino, who’s with Alya, and Alya wouldn’t go without Marinette so she has to come too, but sadly she’s babysitting Manon so 1 becomes 4 guests. But for real, Nino trying to set up Adrien and Marinette. xDDD He reacts the same way as Marinette, it’s so amusing. He, just like her, keeps saying things wrong, oops. Children see things for how they are. It’s amazing that older kids and adults don’t take this seriously. They also don’t know anything about subtlety. Manon’s questions and comments in the car... They’re stuck in a small space and she has nowhere to run. Poor Marinette. But I love how Adrien explains to Manon about why Marinette has so many pictures of him in her room. xD And how she gives him a grateful look. SHHH about the hearts, Manon! The animation in this scene. I really noticed how amazing it was when Marinette covered Manon’s ears and got upset, whispering to Nino and Alya. “Wait, Marinette wants to be alone with me?” *squeals* “Well, Marinette, alone with you? Surely not, you can’t be farther from the truth! That’s even the contrary, I would say.” “Marinette doesn’t want to be alone with me..? *shoots her a really pained look*” Wow what a big, painful fail. “Wait, she hates me?” My heart = shattered

Please Nino, quit talking!

That seed of doubt has been planted in Adrien’s mind. Oh gosh why. WHY?? Seeing Adrien sad over this huuurts. I have to say, rewinding the scene to get both conversations that were going on simultaneously was pretty neat. Especially the different angles of the same scene we got. Okay, I appreciate what Alya and Nino are trying to do for Marinette, but trying to get them alone so she can confess to him is a lot of pressure to be thrown on her last-minute! Nino and Manon are so cute aww. Marinette: *screams through the door* DON’T LEAVE ME ALONE WITH HIM! *turns around to see Adrien is like 3 feet away from her and realizes you don’t  want to be alone with him and how it visibly hurt him* Yeah girl, that’s not going to help matters. Like I get your fear, but you can’t say that for him to hear you. “Nino said...” “DON’T BELIEVE ANYTHING NINO SAID, IT’S NONSENSE!” That sigh of relief though oh gosh. Oops Marinette said too much, now she has to make it seem like she likes him, a lot, but not in a romantic way, so she says the wrong thing and now he’s sad again oh shoot. “If I’m not a good buddy, then what am I?” This moment right here was KEY. This right here is when she should’ve just taken a deep breath and be honest with him. Told him how he means a lot to her, even if she left the romantic part of her feelings for him out. Instead, she panicked and ran away, leaving him feeling bad. This shows that she’s not ready at all to be with Adrien, because she can’t even bring herself to tell him how much he means to her. Plagg’s comedic relief today. xD Just the fact that Adrien thinks he’s done something wrong makes me feel bad, and how he wants to make her feel like he’s her friend. That self-doubt of his... my boy DX Tikki’s advice is usually pretty good, but today, it’s just going to completely backfire. Adrien with such a determined look on his face saying Marinette is very important to him and would do anything to make her feel good when he’s around? So between Chat Noir’s declaration in Weredad and this, Adrien honey, why can’t you see that this is not what “just friends” do?? There’s a difference between wanting your friends to be happy and helping them, versus what you’re saying about her. Alright, so what happened was I saw the thumbnail with the kiss prior to watching the episode. I saw one second of another clip that came up where Adrien was standing there with the Clara/Laura statue behind him. I knew coming into this that Adrien was going to pretend to be a statue and she’d kiss him, and was horrified to be right. This entire scene. This whole scene. I couldn’t watch it at all the first time. I had to pause it multiple times the second time, and here we are, the third time around, and I told myself ‘you’re going to watch it without pausing. You’re going to get through it. You can DO IT’ No, I very well cannot do it. As soon as she touched his face I went NOPE and paused the video. I tried thinking of focusing on the animation and how beautiful it is. BUT NO I CAN’T DO IT. I just started screaming “WHY?!” in English, Spanish, French, and Chinese. The only way I can get through it is by pausing every few seconds and screaming in multiple languages. She just... has to say those things....and touch him... and plucked his hair and put it in her bag. WHY MARINETTE, WHY??? You didn’t even know it was Adrien! You know what? Give a round of applause to Adrien for not bursting into laughter, because nobody would keep a straight face and remain still like that through this.

I actually went into a rant with my sister because I just can’t... believe this is real. Both shouldn’t have done either of these things. He shouldn’t have pretended to be a statue, she shouldn’t have ever done something like this in a public place. Adrien apologizing for it and Marinette being upset and lightly pounding on his chest about it not being funny at all. This scene, despite what just happened, is so cute and like something I wouldn’t have expected to see in ML for some reason. xD It’s interesting that he says that after all the time he’s spent with her, he still doesn’t know how to be a good friend to her. He keeps thinking he’s doing things wrong and that’s why she acts the way she does, when in reality it’s the exact opposite. He’s so hard on himself about it because she’s so important to him. After a brief intro to Puppeteer and Alya/Nino being affected by the akuma, we have to go back to serious Adrienette stuff. *deep inhale* Adrien wants to know if everything she said serious. This was the absolute best opportunity to just say “yes” and then she could explain if she wanted. Really the only time Marinette lies to people, other than to get away from a situation to become Ladybug, is when Adrien asks her about her feelings. Having to lie about getting away to become Ladybug is inevitable, but this... this needs to change. Please, if it ever comes up again where Adrien asks her about her feelings, she has to finally admit it. Please. Please please! Every time Adrien and Marinette are in a situation where they’re being attacked, Marinette always just freezes and Adrien swoops in and protects her. Every. Time. This was so Chat Noir though, c’mon Marinette! The animation is just so GOOD I can’t get enough of it! Marinette: Be careful! Adrien: *fending of wax Hawk Moth with an umbrella* Don’t worry about me! Literally 10 seconds later, Ladybug rescues Adrien. Adrien: *runs to hide* Literally 10 seconds later, Chat Noir plops down next to Ladybug. GUYS DO YOU NOT FIND THAT WEIRD AT ALL, CONSIDERING YOU’RE ALONE AND THE AKUMA ISN’T PUBLICLY BEING BROADCAST, THAT YOUR FRIEND RAN OFF AND SECONDS LATER YOUR PARTNER SHOWS UP? Ladybug informing Chat that Puppeteer has returned. But the only way she’d know that is if she put together that it was Manon’s voice that came from the speakers, like Marinette and Adrien did. Seriously, are these coincidences ever going to add up?? Chat almost kissing a statue xD Thank goodness he was still aware enough to smell that it wasn’t Ladybug. But if he knows how she smells, does he not notice Marinette smells the exact same way? And earlier, Marinette noticed how Adrien smells. Does she not notice Chat Noir smells the same way either?? Now we have SMELL becoming a part of this! I also appreciate the advice Chat gave Ladybug when she wondered how he was able to say things expressing how he feels about her so easily. “Only one cat can ask for her hand.” OMG Chat! Okay okay so Marinette and Adrien are apologizing. Marinette said she’s sorry for kissing the statue, if she had known it was him she wouldn’t. But earlier to cover up her feelings, she said she knew it wasn’t him. So um.... Now he explains about why he did it, and she lets him know of course she wasn’t upset with him, he asks if they’re friends then, and she says of course they are! It looks like a cute and happy ending to the episode that’ll put a smile on your face and make everything earlier not seem as bad. And then, because Marinette says they shouldn’t joke anymore when in doubt, he has to add on that the girl he loves says that a lot too. *defeated groan and sigh* THINGS WERE GOING SO WELL. But it’s only fair she knows now. He knows Ladybug loves someone else, now she knows Adrien loves someone else. I think this is what Marinette needed to hear to let go of him quite a bit and just have him as a friend for the time being. But gosh this sucks. He has to know she’s upset now, right? And that she was fine before he blurted that out? Can he piece it together later, please???? She’s so upset she didn’t even say goodbye. She just says “Yeah” and shuts the door. This is angst. This is the start of angst that I didn’t know this show would give us. “I think life can give you a lot of surprises, Marinette!” That’s true. And she would know what those surprises are (: I’m glad she had the same reaction of being positive despite being told your crush likes someone else as Adrien did when he found out. c: Nice parallel. “Maybe... it’s a ridiculous first kiss, anyway.” Girl, you don’t even know. This episode... this episode was so serious. It felt more like I was watching an Asian drama or something as opposed to ML and I honestly really like that? It felt more realistic and not rushed, and it covered issues (but one’s still lingering and I’m sure will be mentioned later) that have been hanging around for awhile. If production order is about chronological order, then it will likely be a long while before we see anything that’s to take place after this. Despite how cringey Marinette’s statue scene was, this really showed that she’s not ready to let him know yet, she has to change something. And that change will be brought on because Adrien loves someone else. She’s going to be made to step back and respect Adrien and who he loves, which will help her get over this obsession she has. She really needs to do this, and as hard as it was, this is what was needed to happen.

[comicteaparty]

September 21st, 2017 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on September 21st, 2017, from 5PM - 7PM PDT.  The chat focused on The Changeling’s Sister by yondoloki.

Featured Comment:

Chat:

RebelVampire

Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing The Changeling’s Sister by yondoloki~! (https://tapas.io/series/The-Changelings-Sister) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~! With that said, let us begin with this first question~!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

i have to ponder this one a bit personally. but i greatly enjoy the page where rose gets pissed at andrew because he told her she looked like her sister. andrew was flirting so good and then that. bro plz, no one takes that as a compliment

overall though i just really enjoy the scenes with andrew. as i mentioned earlier in the week, this is some grade A flirting going on. cause while hes being kind of obvious about it, hes not being creepy and just seems like a sweet guy who just wants to help out

during their flirting though i like that Lily's laughter kind of breaks in and defuses the nice warmness that was developing. it doesnt let you get too comfortable as a reader and instead you have be like "oh yeah shes still here"

wishjacked

I really liked this comic!! I'd never seen it around before and it was cool.

RebelVampire

thats awesome then that you were able to find it now. was there anything in particular that you liked?

wishjacked

Anyways, my favorite scene was also the one where she was talking to Andrew. This comic is already so heavy— DollLily is so terrifying and frustrating that even though the comic is relatively short Andrew's flirting felt like such a nice break.

DracoPlato

I enjoyed when the baby was swapped out in the beginning cause i was like oh that's just like in mythos

wishjacked

and YEAH, I think Lily's constant presence is really well pulled off!! It feels like shes always so close

full disclosure changeling mythology has never been super interesting to me, actually, but I think the concept of one twin getting changed is a really unique take on the idea

DracoPlato

yeah andrew did feel like a nice break(edited)

and same wish

I think the execution here was more interesting than i find the premise itself

RebelVampire

yeah i really like in this case it was a twin that was taken. i think theres an extra level of creepiness added since in this case its someone with the same face who is a doll

wishjacked

yes!! the execution so far has been top notch.

MathTans

Here late, as per the usual (reading about Discord updates). Favourite scene, probably the page where Rose stops Andrew from leaving, but is then scared to speak, so he's all "why am I here?". I laughed, even though it's probably bad of me to do that, because I understand Rose's conflict.

DracoPlato

overall the emotional impact in this comic has been top notch

every page oozes with emotion

wishjacked

yeah, that was a good moment! (and welcome in!!)

DracoPlato

and welcome Math!!!

RebelVampire

@math you're not the only one. i laughed at that moment too cause it was a legit question. even i was like "why is he there if you arent going to say anything"

MathTans

When Andrew was all "let's go inside" and Rose was all "sounds... fun", part of my head was shouting "it's a trap! nooo! Lily will push him down the stairs or something!"

wishjacked

one of the commenters on Tapas noted that the dresses were different colors— overall Lily is so much brighter than Rose and it really drives the point home well.

ahahah ME TOO

DracoPlato

yeah, i noticed that too about the dresses~

and same math XDDD

wishjacked

like NOOOO JUST STAY OUTSIDE…. BETTER YET RUN AWAY TOGETHER

MathTans

Yeah, that's subtle but clever.

Lily probably engineered the dresses.

RebelVampire

yeah i noticed there was a contrast in the colors that was kind of expressing each's emotional state

wishjacked

like that would be excessive, they just met, but it's obviously the safest option. leave lily pls

MathTans

Here's the thing though - is Lily being evil because she's this puppet/doll? Or is she being evil because she feels like Rose has never accepted her? I honestly can't tell. Like, how much of this is nature, how much is nurture.

DracoPlato

i wondered that too math

RebelVampire

yeah i wonder that too. cause one of the prologue scenes is rose literally slapping lily.

MathTans

So did Napples.

Yeah, I thought that prologue thing was clever. It deflects a bit from the idea of an unreliable narrator whlie at the same time raising different questions.

Like, Rose obviously isn't imagining the doll stuff.

But did she bring about her own downfall, a bit? By being too young to deal?

RebelVampire

it could be. i mean to be fair to the prologue scene i was mentioning, she was super duper young so of course she'd be freaked out

i do like that normally lily looks normal but then she gets close to rose and you suddenly see the stitching. very dramatic.

DracoPlato

i keep wondering if anyone else can see the stitching, it seems like others would have noticed that, lol

been like heey why you all scarred up

RebelVampire

but also, just wanna say, man whoever made Lily is super bad at sitching. do they not believe in the power of patterns O_O(edited)

DracoPlato

i know right

lolol, she looks like a chucky doll after the second movie or something

wishjacked

truth.

RebelVampire

i mean i guess the proper assumption would be they just had to piece together scraps? but then that thought begs the question of what Lily is made of

DracoPlato

unicorn tears

i thought it was just their shapeshifting powers

wishjacked

yikes

MathTans

I think I remember seeing the author respond to a comment to the effect that only Rose can see the stitching. Which, if so, is probably related to how they're twins. Faeries likely goofed on not realizing that was a thing.(edited)

DracoPlato

yeah, the comic does make it seem like only rose can see them at least

RebelVampire

it makes sense if its cause theyre twins. cause they share the same face. so i think itd make it easier to notice differences when theyre present

MathTans

Probably why Lily looks normal in the long shots with the party people, and why no one believed Rose and sent her to an institution. Which was a creepy flashback.(edited)

RebelVampire

QUESTION 2. At the beginning of the comic, we see proof of Rose’s claims that her twin, Lily, isn’t the real Lily. What do you think the fake Lily’s purpose is for being there? Is there a reason why Lily was taken instead of Rose? What do you think happened to the real Lily?

DracoPlato

well the real lily is either dead or rose will find her later on. Because of the tone of the story I'll go with dead, lol

MathTans

There was that remark at the start about "a fairy is born from a child's first laugh", and faeries are evil in this comic, so presumably after the fairy was born they needed, uhh, let's go with a slave as the nicer option. What's not as clear is which child laughed, I feel like the Lily/Rose thing was more luck than anything, but is it that you laugh, a fairy is born, and you can never laugh again, and this is how they do that?

RebelVampire

oh thats a good catch, math. i forgot about that intro sentence. so it really couldve just been a luck thing. where the fairy was like "well shit they look the same umm....lets just flip a coin."

DracoPlato

i like that idea of them never being able to laugh again after that

MathTans

I think the real Lily is having to make/sew dolls for the faerie. Which is... not a happy place.

RebelVampire

maybe theres an optimistic plot twist and the real lily is now the fairy queen O_O

and is ordering the kidnapping of babies

DracoPlato

looooool

MathTans

Real Lily has forgotten all about her real life, oh noooo!

DracoPlato

maybe this is the real lily and rose really is crazy tho

MathTans

Rose was the doll all along! O.o

DracoPlato

maybe there never was a twin

fight club

MathTans

Oh, wow, damn. Draco, you win for crazy theories that might be true.

DracoPlato

since the genre is horresque I wouldn't rule it out at least

cause i think what people fear most is losing themselves

MathTans

I mean, sure, we see the both of them at the ball or whatever, but maybe the family adopted Lily after Rose went crazy.

RebelVampire

i dont rule out rose just being legit crazy. im actually sad rose doesnt even consider this herself. which really thats the sign of her being crazy. that she doesnt question why shes the only one who sees it.

MathTans

When you've been smacked around as much as Rose, you probably stop questioning stuff like that.

DracoPlato

yeah, also lily hasn't actually killed her or brutally maimed her, so even if she's not real, why is rose being a jerk to her necessarily. I mean maybe lily just smacks her around a bit cause rose is always yelling at her and trying to tell people bad things about her

but rose isn't walking around all bruised up, just saying

MathTans

Rose seems too legit scared to be the aggressor though, at least at the time the story takes place. She also seems too afraid to say anything more. And the maid would seem to back up that Lily's in charge.

DracoPlato

i think tha'ts because they had her committed tho

which if she just shut up about it wouldn't have happened in the first place

RebelVampire

to be fair tho, cause were missing a lot of before, she could be the aggressor in a more subtle way. maybe the reason lily assumes rose is lying about telling andrew nothing is this is not the first time rose has done something like this. maybe rose is a class A manipulator. looks all demure and helpless to lure people in and then she tells them the story and ppl humor her at least cause they want to be sympathetic to rose

DracoPlato

yeah, that got me too

that it was apparent rose had been telling people about it before

RebelVampire

but im not saying i believe this 100%. XD i just think theres evidence for it looked at it from the right way

more likely i assume rose is just legit being abused and lily a dick

cause rose gonna blow lily's cover

MathTans

Yeah, I kind of assume Rose is a reliable narrator.

DracoPlato

yeah, it's just speculation on my end too

I do think it's most probable she's a reliable narrator

MathTans

Maybe once Rose gets Lily back, they can bond better with the doll and be a fun set of triplets.

DracoPlato

loooool

that'd be a 180 on tone

RebelVampire

i dont think rose is a reliable narrator but i dont think shes a bad person. i just think because we see everything through her viewpoint, were getting a really biased story from her PoV. so a lot of what we see of lily is still kind of her biased interpretation of the bigger picture

DracoPlato

lyall says we must defend the fairies

RebelVampire

cause part of me feels sympathy for lily. not that i dont think shes a jerk for being abusive. but on the otherhand maybe lily's purpose is she had no purpose. for all we know lily just wants to fit in, be with humans and be a normal girl. and then rose kept screaming she wasnt real. if i had a sibling i would not appreciate that

MathTans

Yeah, okay, I can see that. Though Andrew was pretty suave through her viewpoint too.

DracoPlato

ironically the part of the replaced by fairies baby mythos I always wondered most about was what happens to the fairy in disguise they left behind

MathTans

Rebel - Yeah, that goes back a bit to my wondering about nature versus nurture. We don't know why the faeries leave these dolls or what personality they have.

DracoPlato

i think generally in the mythos the fairies eat the babies, but you don't really hear about the one left behind in it's place

MathTans

Maybe Lily would have reacted the same way under those circumstances. But we won't know, because the circumstances were brought about by doll Lily being stitchy.

Faeries need to analyze their diet. Babies so high in sodium.

DracoPlato

Loooooool

RebelVampire

yeah i always wondered that about the mythos as well. like does the fairy child just grow up regular again. although to be fair i always assumed the mythos was just a way for parents to explain having a child who doesnt fit societal norms. so they could be like "little billy is strange? umm he was umm....snatched away by fairies and this is really a fairy child."

MathTans

Though Rebel asked before, what is Lily made of? I mean, she must have had a medical checkup, right? Is she held together by magic and wishes? By the willpower of people who believe she's real?

Maybe Rose casting doubt actually is a threat to doll-Lily's existence. Maybe that's part of the reason for lashing out, fear.

DracoPlato

oh that'd be interesting

RebelVampire

yeah this is my thing is i think theres a huge case that lily is lashing out of fear for her own existence

cause if anybody believed lily could be in the one in the asylum or wind up being witch hunted or being kicked out to fend for herself

like theres a ton of bad scenarios if someone believes rose and acts on it

so for lily's own survival rose needs to stfu

cause to be double fair i dont feel lily had sinister intentions

in the sense no greater purpose is hinted at

shes just there

as a replacement to the real lily

so horrible?

DracoPlato

yeah that's how i feel atm too

Rose just needs to stfu

RebelVampire

granted of course now its escalated to worse places

cause abuse no joke

DracoPlato

yeah

MathTans

Why can't the flower children just get along? ^^

DracoPlato

she should have been quiet when she was younger I think

MathTans

Kids be kids.

DracoPlato

and been like yay new fairy sister

RebelVampire

but then thered be no drama

ah man if this is the case tho maybe this is how the story concludes. lily and rose have a fight and lily asks why rose couldnt just see her as her sister considering they grew up together etc. etc. and rose realizes that fake lily was indeed her real sister all along and real lily is just a stranger

MathTans

Random thought - With the idea of faeries coming at a child's first laugh. If you laughed a lot it can be said you're left in stitches. Stitches on the face. Everything's connected.

RebelVampire

thats brilliant

bravo math, bravo

MathTans

Oh, thank you.

Just stitched it together.

DracoPlato

also baby lily didn't have stitches on their face i dont' think

so maybe they came later from the real lily laughing, lol

RebelVampire

lily is falling apart at the seams O_O

DracoPlato

baby fake lily that is

RebelVampire

QUESTION 3. The comic has some heavy themes in regards to sibling abuse. It is very clear, also, that Rose has been traumatized by this abuse. How do you think this abuse will affect Rose’s ability to leave? What about its effect on how Rose will navigate the world filled with other people? Do you have any other thoughts regarding these themes?

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Oh good i'm here for at least the last part of this

DracoPlato

yaaaay feather~!

MathTans

Oooh, that's a real interesting question, kudos. I feel like it's not only sibling abuse, because Lily wouldn't have had the authority to send Rose to the nuthouse (though she did seem to have the final say on whether Rose got out). It's interesting that the parents went that route, but I also suppose we're in more olden times. On the sibling side, well, Rose certainly has a problem opening up to people, and I could see her trusting the wrong person simply because said person said they were on her side.

Hi Feather!

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Also Rose needs to GTFO as sooon as possible becuase ahhhh get away from the freaking creepy sister

Also hey there Math :3

RebelVampire

welcome feather

MathTans

Got a fave scene, feather?

DracoPlato

rose isn't very functional atm to go to the outside world but she does need a safer environment.

RebelVampire

tbh i think rose is going to have more trouble trusting than trusting the wrong person. so instead shell sabotage her own efforts by refusing help

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

From my knowledge about changlings so far, I don't think Rose wants to meet her real sister

MathTans

Yeah, Rose needs a guide or something.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Probably doesn't even know who she is

DracoPlato

same rebel

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

And yeah please nice guy save the poor girl

DracoPlato

given the time period her family could marry her off

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Also I have a theory that she will find her sister via twin telephaphy

DracoPlato

but any guy that wanted to marry a nut job wouldn't be the best i'm sure, lol

MathTans

Where would Rose even start looking? Family records? Is there an old stump out back with shady lights floating about it?

Oooh, point, maybe she senses something.

DracoPlato

looool

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Or what is that called, Twin empathy/

It's actually an actual neuro thing with twins

MathTans

Timpani? No, wait.

I'll take your word, I don't know from twins.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

I also think the reason why Rose can't sense her twin is because the twin is in another dimention

And haha Math, I have a lot of research about twins for my comic

DracoPlato

i think the twin has been eaten

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Well changlings don't work like that Draco

MathTans

Ooooh, maybe a dimension where time moves differently. Perhaps Rose finds Lily, but Lily's the same age she was when she got abducted.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

My remembering of it is they keep the human and raise them

But there are so many different varients

And oh that's a good one too Math

MathTans

Raise them like cattle.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Baby Lily

DracoPlato

yeah there are variants where they're just eaten

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

I thought that was just fae in general

MathTans

Draco, have you had dinner yet?

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

They just eat people

Also Draco must be hungry hahah

DracoPlato

nyu

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

I'm hungry too stop making me hungry

DracoPlato

but we eat lunch late

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Also I have to note

Lily's and Rose's name

MathTans

The Hill sisters?

RebelVampire

yeah ive seen more variants of the story where the child just gets eaten

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Lily the flower when used in funerals symbolize that the soul of the departed has received restored innocence after death.

DracoPlato

yis

MathTans

omg, flower symbolism, I didn't even think.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Roses are just basic passion and stuff but there are things like Yellow roses

Or white roses

MathTans

Rose Hill. Lily... of the Valley? (okay, no.)

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Lily of the valley is another flower too

MathTans

Yeah, but Lily's not a valley girl.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

But Lily of the Valley has a meaning of "Return of Happiness"

And the other Lily is defintely a valley[faerie] girl

MathTans

Well, damn.

RebelVampire

assuming shes alive O_O

MathTans

She's in the 5th dimension.

I wonder what it is about this particular outburst the sisters seem to be having that's going to result in Rose departing on her search. What makes it different from the last ones (to kind of look at that sister abuse again).

Maybe Lily lets something slip.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Hopeflly she is alive

MathTans

Like, doll Lily. (Or real Lily somehow communicates a message??)

RebelVampire

it could be real Lily insighting it. o rmaybe fake lily legit tries to kill her

although this now makes me wonder, if lily doesnt want rose to spill the beans, why doesnt she just kill rose and make it look like an accident?

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Becuase they need her for something

OHHHHH IDEA

CRACK THEORY

MathTans

Oooh, yeah, that could be. (I don't know the horror genre that well, not usually my go-to.)

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

THEY WANT TO USE THE TWINS TO OPEN THE GATE FROM THE FAE WORLD INTO THE HUMA NWORKLD

MathTans

On their 18th birthdays?

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

OF COURSE

RebelVampire

im not sure the fae need that considering they can just hop on over and take babies XD

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Maybe that's just a weaker fae

Maybe the hgih class fae are too strong for the weak veil between worlds

MathTans

They want a bridge that doesn't rely on laughter.

But tears instead.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Yup XD

Or maybe the twins are gonna be nessary for a soul gate too

There are a lot of twin stories about souls and how they used to be one but they are not if they are indentical

which it seems like they are

RebelVampire

i wonder if the faeries in this comic have souls

DracoPlato

hmmm

the fake sister may not even be a fairy

RebelVampire

does fake sister have a soul

DracoPlato

what is fake sister MathTans

what is fake, what is real

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

I think she is a doll actually

From the pointing out of the stitches

I think she is a puppet

And it doesn't have a soul

RebelVampire

well tbh she is a doll

cause the comic description even calls her that

"Rose's twin sister is kidnapped by a fairy and replaced by a doll. Rose is the only one who sees the difference, and the doll treats Rose horribly, until Rose one day has enough of it and goes searching for her real sister."

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Yup

DracoPlato

oh, so that's just it? there's nothing more to it other than doll

MathTans

Lily's soul could be trapped in the doll.

DracoPlato

i just thought there'd be more something behind the word doll

MathTans

Doll-ar bills.

RebelVampire

i like the idea that lily's soul is just trapped in fake lily.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

actually fun note

Back in the day, they call dressed up rich people as dolls

Maybe ti's a nod to that?

Like "Isn't she such a doll?"

MathTans

Oooh, good point. Getting all dolled up. Dressing for the nines. Leaving the rich people in stitches.

DracoPlato

yeah i honestly just thought the use of the word "doll" was a generic descriptive that had a deeper meaning behind it in the overall

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Yeah, Math's you got it XD

DracoPlato

cause i mean something has to be moving the doll for it to have a personality

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Bitches, Draco, there are bitches in those stiches

DracoPlato

looool

MathTans

Does it have a personality? Or is it simply acting based on how the people around it expect it to behave? Perhaps even Rose herself expects bad behaviour, so that's what she gets.

RebelVampire

if thats the case

https://tapas.io/episode/550751

that changes the entire dynamic of that cover

cause youd think obviously lily is the evil looking top twin

but if lily acts based on how ppl assume

than its rose who is controlling her and therefore the twin on top

DracoPlato

Oooooooh ooooooh snap that'd be pretty awesome

you were the one that made her evil

MathTans

It's like a warped mirror almost.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Oooh

RebelVampire

QUESTION 4. Insofar, Andrew is the only character who seems to have paid Rose any mind; Rose even reluctantly tells Andrew the truth about Lily. Do you think Andrew has a future role to play in Rose’s life? If so, what? Alternatively, do you think Andrew will somehow become a hindrance to her quest?

MathTans

I'm still kind of surprised Andrew didn't die, so maybe I'm cynical.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Andrew please have good things happen to you

As someone who makes bad things happen to kind characters, I hope you have good htings come toyour way

DracoPlato

there's not enough story to really go on for his future role potential, i also don't know if this is a shorter or longer work

MathTans

If he's a hinderance, I think it would only be by accident.

DracoPlato

maybe he'll help her search for her sister tho

MathTans

Draco: I think it was in a Q&A that the author said they'd envisioned about 4 chapters, with this one being the first. I could be misremembering.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

I want him to be like "Oh you are going to do that? I will help you. You dnot want me to come along? I will distract your twin for you."

DracoPlato

ah that's not too long then

MathTans

That's a good point, Andrew might be a distraction so Rose can get away.

DracoPlato

it feels like a shorter work? I dunno, that's the vibe I get

MathTans

Not sure what consistutes a "chapter" though. fuzy memory

RebelVampire

yeah are we talking normal chapters or cali chapters?

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

LOL

MathTans

I also recall the author being concerned about not outputting more frequently, so just a quick shoutout if they read this, I don't think that's a big deal. Go at the pace that works.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

I'm gonna have to poof off, need to work on pages ahha I'm behind XD Have fun everyone else :3

MathTans

Best, Feather! Thanks for theories!

RebelVampire

thanks for coming feather~!

MathTans

Is anyone shipping Rose and Andrew? (Too soon?)

DracoPlato

bye Feather~!

i'm still suspicious of him

RebelVampire

how can you not ship rose and andrew? O_O

MathTans

Maybe he's a fae in disguise? O.o

DracoPlato

trust nobody

RebelVampire

although i do think andrew is potentially a "nice guy" in the sense hell go through stuff and then wonder why rose doesnt put out O_O

then go online and bitch how he got friendzoned

DracoPlato

yeah i got that vibe from him too

like whhhhy were you interested in the meek one that looks miserable, suspicious

MathTans

Eh, I didn't really get that vibe myself, but then I am a guy over here. I felt like he was trying to engage socially with people who don't necessarily enjoy these sorts of affairs, make it pleasant for them.

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Quick note: I'm the type of person who friends shy people, so I don't know, it could be a thing?

Also back in the day

It's polite for males to introduce thsemvles to ALL the ladies at the party

DracoPlato

yeah that could be math

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Regardless

I don't remember what era they set the story in

But I do remember that was social ettique things :3

MathTans

So Andrew's maybe not polite, but he's nice. ^.-

Feather, Duke of Hot Leaf Juice

Alright offical poof

DracoPlato

yeah but it's fiction so that may not be the construct he's working under

not to deny that it could be part of it

just for the tone of the story it seems like it'd be more emotionally scarring for rose if andrew wasn't nice

RebelVampire

idk if that applies tho cause no other guy approached rose XD so either andrew is the only polite person at this party or its not considered

DracoPlato

but she had put trust in him

MathTans

He also seemed annoyed or perturbed by the outrageous HaHaHa laughter. Maybe he's not much of a social guy himself.

DracoPlato

yeah, agreed rebel

MathTans

Though he's got good talking skills.

(But then, so do I some say, and I'm not a social person.)

RebelVampire

which him being the only polite person is possible. i just think the flirting makes it clear he had other intentions than politeness XD

but he may not be a nice guy

he couldve picked rose cause he is socially awkward himself and she seemed easiest to talk to

DracoPlato

it's a story with few characters atm, even fewer speaking ones, he was shown for a purpose, lol

his purpose may have been just to have lily rebuke rose afterwards tho

so his role may already be done in the story

RebelVampire

i dont feel his role is done cause i feel there were easier ways to get the rebuke without spilling hte beans to andrew

cause rose couldve said nothing and still got rebuked

MathTans

Maybe Andrew is ALL IN ROSE'S MIND. She's the only one who sees him the same way she's the only one who sees Lily's stitches. She tells her story to made-up people, she's that far gone.

DracoPlato

that's why he noticed her first

he's only in her head

MathTans

Rose is hitting on herself. She just wants to be loved.

RebelVampire

so im gonna have a crack theory in that what if rose was the one taken. and were already in the land of the faeries and the faeries just happen to be able to disguise as humans. but they made rose a doll cause baby rose kept crying about missing her sister

MathTans

O.o

DracoPlato

that'd be interesting

MathTans

Neat. They need to deal with their doll a little better though.

It's beating up their abductee.

RebelVampire

thats cause rose is being a little shit and this isnt the first doll cause rose tore apart the first one

wait how can a doll grow O_O

what magic is this

this is some good magic

DracoPlato

that is some pretty good magic XD

MathTans

The world is actually shrinking.

Now I'm wondering if dolls go through puberty. wut?

RebelVampire

she must be frankenstein's doll.

MathTans

Though if the fae had to come back and check every so often for maintenance, that might leave a trail for Rose to follow.

"Please make my hips more slender."

RebelVampire

LOL

i do think inevitably it might be the twin empathy/telepathy thing that pull sthrough as feather suggested. cause i cant otherwise think of anything mentioned that will lead rose on the right path

MathTans

Yeah, I kind of like that angle. Or maybe Andrew was the last straw, and she snaps and runs away. And once outside the influence she picks up vibes.

RebelVampire

do you think lily will pursue her or do you think lily will just be like "eh if im lucky shell get eaten by a bear"

MathTans

Good question. I think she'll get someone else to pursue. She may or may not come along, doesn't strike me as the type to get her dress dirty.

RebelVampire

i guess it really comes down to how fearful she is of rose finding the real lily

although

if rose finds the real lily how does she prove to everyone else that its the real lily?

DracoPlato

yis

MathTans

Having two of them side-by-side might help give Rose some credibility at least.(edited)

Unless Lily's still a baby.

Maybe she'll have to catch a fae.

RebelVampire

but even side-by-side ppl may not see fake lily's stitches

what if rose comes back and everyone assumes rose is the fake O_O

and fake lily and real lily are the legit twins

MathTans

I guess we'll have to wait and find out.

RebelVampire

Unfortunately, the scheduled Comic Tea Party is now complete~! Thank you everyone so much for joining this week’s chat~! That being said, if you would like to continue discussing the comic, we encourage you to do so~! We want to give a big thank you to yondoloki, as well, for volunteering The Changeling’s Sister for our reading queue. If you liked the comic, please be sure to support yondoloki’s efforts. If you have questions, concerns, or suggestions about CTP, please feel free to PM me, or e-mail me at RebelVampire@startfaire.com.

With that said, next week’s Comic Tea Party will focus on Radio Silence by Vanessa Stefaniuk. Please use this week to read as much of the comic as you would like. Hope to see you next Thursday (September 28th) from 5PM to 7PM PDT~! Until then~! Comic: http://www.radiosilencecomic.com/

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Clockwork OC Hunger Games: Outcome and Results

Time to announce the Show the Results of the Clockwork OC Hunger Games!

((I tried to do this earlier...TWICE...but I kept f*cking up and posting it too early before I was done...sorry about that QQ)) Anyway Onward to the outcome! !Warning: This is a Long Post!

Before We begin, let’s look at our lovely contestants~! http://xxthe-ice-reaperxx.tumblr.com/post/163154229975/clockwork-oc-hunger-games ((The Link is to show which oc belongs to who))

Ah, what a lovely contestant we have among us today~! (they the groups are all randomized) ((I had funny comments for each contestant, but I fucked up and they’re gone now. I can’t remember them QQ )) We have our contestants, Let’s begin the Games!

+ Winston and Jocelyne decide to take the smart route and run right off the bat! smart choice! + Freddy and Miss Mpoe fight over a bag, but lucky for Freddy Mpoe seems to give up on the bag right away.  + And the first blow is made by Nemisalu against Mr. Daniel! Don't worry Dan. It hurts now, but hey, at least you’re alive!  :D

+ OH LORDY! THE SECOND BLOW IS THROWN BY MISS RYAN LANE TO YOUNG WORM OVER A BASKET OF DELICIOUS BREAD! Damn, Ryan...was the bread really worth punching a child for it?...oh who am I kidding, this is the hunger games! Of Course, it is! + Melty managed to get her hands on some useful weapons! nice! + While Emma and not me Hail flee

+ Oh wow! Lonely Babineaux Family Butler, Joey, gets himself some knives!...I still bet $10 he doesn’t last... +Audrey and Timothy dont take any chances though and run out of there while-- + OH SHIT! FIRST BLOOD IS DRAWN BY MISS WILLOW AND TAKES OUT EVELINE, BELINDA AND QUENTIN! Good Game, Willow. Well Played.

+ The Explosion must have really spooked the other contestant because they all flee into the woods. All that is, except ballsy Angus! Who manages to snag himself a canteen of water! well played! Wow! what a way to start these games off with a....BANG! :D  ...Now onward to the First Day

+ Freddy makes a wise choice not looking into smoke. That shits bad for you, little dude + Oh dear. Looks like Daniel, Matches, Willow and Daphne have grouped up and robbed Timothy blind while he’s away. It’s because he somewhat looks like Gaz isn’t it + Ryan seems to take to stalking to Punchy now...dear god, dont tell me that punching Worm gave her a desire to punch all catacomb dwellers now O_O;; + Meanwhile, Audrey gathers wood for a fire.  

+ OH! IT SEEMS WE’RE ON THE ‘WE’RE GONNA ROB EVERYONE BLIND’ STAGE OF THE GAMES.  +Oh well, at least Mpoe avoids death by Alien and Arlie’s builds herself a nice home.... + Oh and Jocelyne killed a poor Baker. JOCE WHHHHY!? Before we continue, let us honor the First Fallen Tributes

(Like my elimination icons? xDDD)

Night 1

+ Aries tries to sing herself to sleep while I assume coping with her father being DEAD now + awww, Joey tends to the wounds of little Worm. How sweet ;w; + Melty does some star gazing  + and Punchy is now armed and dangerous

+ Welp! Seems everyone; Minus Winston who is cooking, Audrey whose staying up all night...can’t blame her, and Out cold Nemisalu; is camping out with each other! How nice...those Emma, Freddy, Tim, and Matches telling each other ghost stories at a time like this is concerning.... Now let us move on to Day Two

+ Whoa, not cool, Emma! Nemi was sleeping!  + AUDREY NO! DONT CHASE THE CHILD! I know he’s a lil shit, BUT STILL!   + Well at least Daniel and Punchy are staying sane....I think...

+ Daphne and Melty both doing all they can to stay safe and sane....though Melty seems to think she’s King Neptune now...O_o;; + Timothy and Aries are on the war path now (and who can blame them, Aries lost her dad and Tim got robbed by two of his friends!) + Joey! Don't you know it’s rude to run from your crush employer’s daughter!? so unprofessional!

+Arlie got some medical supplies...thats good....buuuut + JESUS H. CHRIST Winston, Mpoe and Ryan caused a blood bath! My lord! also Ryan...Ryan....YOU AND CATACOMB DWELLERS, BRUH.  Bow your heads to the Second Round of Fallen Tributes

Night Two

+....ah, what a peaceful night this way (except for poor Tim)....and Emma, Winston, screams will not help you here. Sorry. Day 3

+ Mostly peacful day too, nice....minus Daniel getting stabbed. GDI, Emma.  Fallen Tributes, Round 3~

Night 3

+ Another peaceful night, and no one died this time....though Punchy, Daphne and Ryan singing cheerful songs to each other is a little concerning... Day 4

+ Punchy and Daphne work together while everyone runs away from eachother...this is fine. 

+ Winston collect food, Audrey goes on the war path, and Jocelyne picks flowers...for some reason...okay. Nothing wrong here-- + GDI, MELTY! THAT WAS THE LAST CHILD! WHY!? Fallen Tributes Round 4

.....well....at least it was only one this time??? Night 4

+....me things some people are starting to lose it *cough*Winston and Mpoe*cough* Day 5

+ War path for Daphne now, Winston trying to sleep, Emma hurts herself and... +JOCELYNE. BRUH. HOW DID YOU EVEN GET THOSE INJURIES???? THE FUCK???

+ Aw, how nice. you got medical supplies, Joey....COULD HAVE HELPED JOCELYNE WITH THEM! #WorstButler + Arlie tries to sleep too +Stalker Ryan returns?? ...well at least its not a towards a catacomb dweller this time. 

+ Aries seems spooked by everyone now +annnnnnd Punchy now has bombs, GDI, GUYS! Well besides Jocelyne kicking it from injuries no one knew she had... At least it was only one person again-- Oops...spoke too soon, here comes the Acid Rain!

+ Well at least the Butler lived (love how it’s not explained HOW Joey survived xD) + tfw one self-insert betrays another self-insert and kills them O_o + Wow....WOW....that’s bad Karma right there.... RIP Audrey and Ryan.

+ Poor Aries...at least she’s with her father again.... ;-; +Thats just cold man... +and on this day there was no honor among Catacomb Dwellers....GDI, PUNCHY! Now Gaz has to recruit new smugglers! I hope you’re happy! Fallen Tributes Round 5 ....thats a lot of dead people

Night 5

+Mpoe gets food, Daphne has nightmares likely about her dead sisters, Melty and Punchy gossip and Joey is left cold tonight....noob. Ooo! another Arena Event! The Feast! I wonder what the surviving contestants will--

Oh.... (Mpoe dodged a bullet there) Day 6

+ Punchy....YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE A FISH TRAP! WTF ARE YOU DOING!? + ....only NOW do you question your sanity, Joey? then again you did just snap a poor girl’s neck O_O;;; + Mpoe seems to be chill though... Fallen Tributes round 6

Night 6

+ well they both lost their dear friend Jocelyne....$10 they cried into each other all night.  + Mpoe is still chill though...depsite what happened... Day 7

+ All seems fine here.....though....PUNCHY USE A F*CKING FISH TRAP! GDI WOMAN!....or at least aim better! Night 7

+ Punchy is now a creeper + Aww, Mpoe tends to poor Joey....start of a beautiful friendship??? Day 8

+ DAY 8! NO ONE DEAD YET And now for another Arena Event Monkey Mutts

+ OWCH what horrible ways to go. So Close.... Final Fallen Tributes

Rest in peace-- wait...Joey wasn’t mentioned in there.....No way.....no fucking way.... HOLY SHIT

JOEY BLAISE! THE LONELY SERVANT OF THE BABINEAUX FAMILY IS               THE WINNER OF THE CLOCKWORK OC HUNGER GAMES!

(shame he’s most likely going to die when he gets back to the manor for what happened to the Babineaux Siblings owo;;; )

Here are the placements in all!

Joey Blaise Wins the Clockwork OC Hunger Games! Though Willow Steeple also wins for having the most kills! That was fun! thank you for those who volunteered their poor OC(s) for this!

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@blackmantagirl Well, then, that’s good. At least we can gang up on anyone who dares to call us anything but young and beautiful. ;)

No, it wasn’t Jump! *goes to search on the Internet for the comic book name* It MIGHT have been Nakayoshi. I don’t quite remember it, to be honest, although I’m certain that it was translated version of it (I think they imported it from Hong Kong at that time, since I got it in Chinatown, Manhattan). I'm checking it up, and it still might be Nakayoshi, since I think I saw Cardcaptor Sakura being published in the same book. I didn’t read it but remember my second older sister liking one of the other mangas being published in there, and I THINK it was Cardcaptor. I think there was also a manga of a female Robin Hood-ish in there as well. Anyhow ... too many years ago. LOL!

I haven’t rewatched Super/Stars as much as Classics/R/S, so I’m not really certain about Chibs’ birthday. 

Also, after Luna-P went over to the dark side and turned into that drill-umbrella. Like, sure, some people might argue that it’s because of the black crystal, but I really don’t think so. Chibs was exposed to that crystal, not Luna-P. Luna-P just changed itself to be with Chibs. Knowing kids, when they are bullied to the extent that the franchise wanted us to believe Chibs was, they’re going to retaliate pretty harshly without thinking of the consequences unless it was in retrospect. Heck, I know of a child who drew blood (by scratching) who only knew remorse after they were confronted by someone they liked, not when they’d first done it. Well, actually, it was only that case - the kid scratched more than one person already, so ...

Kids (well, humans in general, to be honest) can be very cruel in the right (or is it wrong?) situations.

Anyhow, Chibs in the 90′s anime gave me no indication that she would hold back in dishing out pain towards the people that bullied her that much, tbh.

ROTFLMAO! Exactly! I recall thinking “How the hell didn’t they know she was the Queen’s child when she has the freaking moon symbol on her forehead whenever she had the temper tantrum?” But I tend to ignore plot holes when the rest of the story is entertaining, so I was willing to let it slide. Didn’t stop me from disliking Chibs though. XDDD

Now you’re making me imagine the Senshi running all over CT trying to pacify the worried citizens - “No, we’re not under attack ... No, it’s just the Princess getting hungry ... NO, SHE HADN’T BEEN POSSESSED BY A YOUMA."

In retrospect, no wonder nobody knew that the Black Moon clan was going to attack CT in the 30th century. Any signs were brushed under “another Princess anomaly” until it was too late. XDDD

Well, ignoring SenShi (or in general, Shitennou) fan theories of the Shitennou being brought back to life to have extra guards for Mamoru, they had at least 4 Sailor Senshi protecting the Queen and the King. So ... um ... shouldn’t at least one of them be, like, protecting the Princess, too? I mean, she is the next in line to the throne. Sure, CT is supposed to be a utopia, but, erm ... did you forget that you happened to banish people to Nemesis? And besides, if it WERE a complete utopia, there shouldn’t be any needs of guards for the Queen and King. So, why weren’t the Senshi helping Chibiusa control her powers anyway?

Maybe they were going for “Chibs had the power because she absorbed the Silver Crystal”, yeah, no, not buying it because how did the Black Moon clan knew that it was Chibs shining the beacon?

Yeah, Manga!Chibs had more basis for being insecure, and it made sense for her to question if she were the Queen’s kid because if Sailor Moon was so powerful, and Neo-queen Serenity could wield the Silver Crystal, what was she, Chibs, doing? Why didn’t she have any powers?

Agreed with what you said about the difference between two different Black Lady. 

Well, I think 90′s Usagi also gets distracted rather easily. She’ll set herself for a goal to do better and then the next second she’s like “Oh, video games! Manga!” whereas Manga!Usagi doesn’t bother setting a goal for schoolwork. At least, I don’t remember her doing this in the manga. 

Like I’ve said, binge watching Crystal these couple of days, I can say with confidence that you can see that Usagi pretty much matured from Season 1 to Season 3. 

Anyhow, I agree that there’s a way to keep immaturity and maturity at a balance, which wasn’t accomplished in Classics, unfortunately.

Agreed about the running around bit in Season 3. Well, to be honest, it’s a bit jarring to go from the elegant and graceful artwork of S1 and S2 and then to S3. Not that S3 isn’t pretty, but imho, it lacks the elegance of S1 and S2. So when the running around bit came around, I guess I was already a bit ... numb? Anyhow ...

Yeah, I know a lot of people didn’t like it because it felt too convenient with everyone pairing off. I didn’t mind it much because it gave me plenty of things to play with. LOL! I’m that strange kid in the back of the room that has to make pairs with everything (not humans of course, but with things, yeah ...).

No, I get what you mean about some of the personality. I think Jadeite’s boyish laid-back attitude came from PGSM where they had a scene in which Jadeite was jumping around in the back. But I never really got that feel from Jadeite. To me, he was serious, rash at some points. He was probably a bit more relaxed when he was with his Shitennou brothers and Endymion (and with Rei, if we’re going with SenShi fanfics). Sure, he might troll people every once in a while because being with the rest of the Shitennou has to rub off on him after a while. So basically, I see him more as an even more serious, more rash, and more sarcastic version of Ami. 

Oh, Nephrite is definitely the Casanova type with a love for being over-dramatic in everything he does. Seriously, you’re from the Dark Kingdom and the leader of youma, what are you doing riding around town in a freaking red sports car and having a mansion in the middle of some spooky forest? Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can’t look at stars elsewhere? LOL! 

Zoisite is a whole other can of worms, imho. I don’t get when people make him introverted. To me, he’s the refined version of Nephrite? Like ... he’s dramatic but more in the peacock way while Nephrite is more the Lion King way, I guess. LOL!

No, I get what you mean. Though I admit that I’m a fangirl of the traditional pairings, I do see why mixing things up will be fun. :)

I still think that it’s because they were trying to stuff everything into 13 Acts. I agree with what you said about the reveal. Like perhaps let the Senshi somewhat feel something after they’d defeated the Shitennou? Like even if they’d wanted something stupid dramatic like having Metallia blast the Shitennou, they could’ve done something along the lines of:

[Mercury freezes Zoisite, harming him significantly. However, before she could proceed to permanently dust him, a voice resounded in her ears, that sounded suspiciously like Zoisite, but with a lot less malice and with more friendliness, and even endearment, if the production team wanted it to go that way.

That pause proved to enough time for Zoisite to break free of his confines and escape back to the Dark Kingdom.]

Something similar for the rest of the girls and then the girls discuss this with Venus, who then reveal that yes, they had relationships before, but she didn’t want to tell them in case it got in the way. So the girls know that the Shitennou were good people before getting brainwashed. Then the Metallia scene and they mourn that good people were killed, rather than for relationships that could never be.

Well, it broke my running record of shipping pairings that are never canon, so there’s that. My friend joked to me that it must be some kind of phenomenon that I actually liked a pairing that became canon. LOL!

(Oh, the musicals are great. I still need to go through all of them, but nearly every one I’d watched was immensely entertaining.)

ROTFLMAO! Oh no. Now you’re going to create a monster. As if this reply isn’t already long enough without me complaining about the break-up arc. ;)

Anyhow, let’s see ...

For one thing, Mamoru was stupid in there.

There is absolutely no other way around it or to say it kindly. Like yeah, a voice that you don’t know (or is vaguely familiar with) tells you that if you don’t break up with Usagi, she’s going to die.

Let’s look at the statistics here, shall we? Starting from the Silver Millennium, it was YOU, Mamoru Chiba, who’d died first. Okay, fine, 90′s anime, you died together, but still only evens the score to Mamoru: 1, Usagi: 1. Then we go to the Dark Kingdom era where you got yourself fatally injured which then got you brainwashed. Mamoru: 2, Usagi: 1. During Alan and Ann’s period, you forget about Usagi, while she had a full set of powers, and you had to become schizophrenic to save her. Remind me if I’m wrong, but you could’ve easily died near the Doom Tree if Ann wasn’t fond of you. So, I’ll be nice Mamoru: 2 1/2, Usagi: 1.

Hell, with those statistics, I don’t know, maybe YOU’RE the one who should be worried about dying, instead of worrying about Usagi dying? It’s pretty much established that though she’s klutzy at times, she’s not the damsel in distress here. More often than not, it’s YOU, Mamoru Chiba, who’s the damsel in distress.

Let’s move on the the scenes - not the artwork, of course. Some of the angsty parts were well-drawn. Seriously, I love a regency romance as much Ami-chan, and I’m guilty of shipping crack pairing that are very controversial and in which there’s nothing redeemable about one of the parties in said pairing.

However with Sailor Moon, you want me to believe that she’s the strongest warrior alive and then you made her become Twilight!Bella. Sure, Bella came after her, but still. What’s up with Usagi nearly wanting her life to end because Mamoru dumped her?

Seriously, I don’t need my female heroines to super heroes. I belong to the HP fandom, and while I do believe Hermione is strong, I click on the X button out of the fic whenever someone makes her stronger than Voldemort, shit rainbows, and barges into Death Eater meetings in order to ruin their plans. However, with Usagi in the break-up arc ...

Seriously, I know that she’s heartbroken, so of course, she’s under depression. My problem is that she doesn’t walk OUT of it before she knows she has a chance with Mamoru again. Without even knowing why he was breaking up with her in the first place.

I know that there are women out there who becomes completely AWOL when they go through heartbreak, but imho, this is not a good message to send out to young girls. It’s the same old trope of “If you hang on long enough, you’ll have him back again” and “If he broke up with you, there must be something wrong, not because he’s out of love with you. Just wait for him to come around and he’ll love you again because it’s TRUUUU WUV!!!” 

While it’s not explicitly said like that, the subliminal messages being sent out with that arc makes me frown.

As a disclaimer, I have to say that I adore the Usagi/Mamoru relationship in manga (and of course, now, in Crystal as well), but in Classics, I really, really wanted Usagi to just dump him. Seriously. I wanted her to go out with someone else because he was such a douche to her. Sure, we knew he did it for a reason, but Usagi doesn’t know this. Without the context, I really wanted to be Makoto so I can beat the crap out of Mamoru. 

Tanya already made wonderful posts as to why the Senshi were horrible friends in other posts, so I won’t repeat it here. I’ll just say I completely agree with her points. 

During that break-up arc, it made me wonder why the Senshi were friends with Usagi anyway. Actually, it would probably be more accurate to say: Why was Usagi friends with them anyway? I would’ve stayed away from them if they kept telling me “It’s because of ______, that’s why Mamoru doesn’t want you anymore.” Hell, if I were one of the Senshi, I would’ve either told her to get over it, gave her a makeover, go party, and hook up with some new guys or grab a bunch of ice cream, find some movies, and cry over those tubs of ice cream with her, whichever way she wanted. It’s shitty of them to put her down when she’s going through break-up. 

Hell, it would’ve made more sense for BERYL to be doing that to Usagi, but not the girls. Or maybe they’d gotten possessed by Beryl after that final showdown between Metallia!Beryl and Usagi. After all, we only knew that Beryl got enveloped by the pink light. Maybe some residue of Beryl got incorporated into the girls. :P

And I mentioned it before, but I’ll mention it again, I really, really hated when Usagi was all Twilight: New Moon!Bella-ish in the break-up arc. I mean, sure, I know they’d wanted it as a way for Usagi and Mamoru to make up, but ugh. UGGGGGGH. I’m pretty certain the break-up arc was also responsible for me rearranging my list of fave Senshi, but anyhow ...

Okay, don’t know if I’d missed anything, but if I did, I’ll probably come back and mention it, but ... yeah ... those are some of the reasons why I hated the break up arc.

Oh, I’ve been interested in villains ever since who-knows-when, although the interest itself didn’t make itself clear until I was a bit older. But yeah, I don’t really like the cardboard cutouts of villains and antagonists either. Also, I prefer them to be intelligent. Give me villains with the minds of Albert Einstein and the elegance of royalty. XDD Of course, I wouldn’t say no if they were also pretty boys, but that’s just the additional plus points at the bottom at the resume that might or might not be reviewed.

It’s really no wonder why Zoisite is my favorite Shitennou, really, regardless of whether he’s paired with Kunzite, Mercury, or whatever. He’s just so evilly delightful. (Yeah, I also see him as being a major troll with a vengeful attitude even if he returns to Mamoru’s side.)

PGSM did well with the character development, much better than most, if not all, of the different versions. This reminds me that I should go back and rewatch PGSM one of these days.

ROTFLMAO! I don’t know why, but I giggled when I read this part: “Anime wise, I didn’t get why they just didn’t take their ships and go to a different star system that has habitable planets using time travel. Or going to a distant future. Like..guys.. for real.” 

Yes, I totally agree with your assessment of the Black Moon clan, but yeah, I liked the Dead Moon Circus more than the Black Moon clan. I recall Nehellenia having different backgrounds in the anime and the manga, but nonetheless, both of them were interesting and intriguing.

LOL! Yeah, I’m not a huge fan of redemption either. I mean, if you do it every once in a while, it’s fine. But except for the Big Bads, you get nearly every mini-boss having some sob story about why they’d turned bad and that just gets annoying. 

ROTFLMAO! Same here. Well, it’s not just the Sailor Moon fandom having that problem, unfortunately. So I find myself disconnecting from a lot of general fandom and just hanging around with people with similar tastes. Though I suppose that might get me attacked as well. LOL!