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athena-xox · 12 days ago
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Narrators being bodiless gets retconned by tlosh
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Although tbf tlosh kinda retcons everything so is it really considered canon ? (I mean I think so but there’s a lot of juxtaposition that goes into making it canon lol)
Also though maybe there’s different kinds of narrators. We know Brooke has a body as seen in SU (+ in Giles’s mirror in TC) as well as tlosh and her parents also have bodies (presumably) but maybe there are bodiless narrators. Unless the narrator from ouat was effected by the unmaking lava all those years ago?
Some Fun Facts About the Wonderlandians from the EAH Books
Maddie and Kitty can hear the narrator, but Lizzie can't. This is because, as queen, it's Lizzie's job to be bossy and bring some order to the chaos of wonderland. She "reminds things what they are when they forget." No word one way or the other on the White Queen, but I'd assume she has a similar problem.
Kitty CAN hear the narrator but spends most of her time pretending not to because:
Kitty does not like being narrated. She actively conceals her thoughts and feelings from the narrator most of the time and they have to guess based on her actions. She does have some tells though, like how she's always thinking about cheese when she licks her lips and looks up. She's also far from infallible and leaves her thoughts exposed whenever she's distracted.
Kitty has also managed to scratch the narrator before, despite them being an invisible bodiless being.
When Kitty turns invisible, she goes to a place called "Between" which is some sort of shadowland behind reality. She describes it as "a little like running, a bit like dreaming, and a lot like swimming." There is no collision In Between---you can freely move through walls and objects---and no significant gravity, since you can float. It also enables you to fast travel (1 step In Between can equal around 50 steps in reality).
It does however, make you feel weird and sleepy if you stay there for too long, and Kitty has an uncle who actually spent so much time Between that he became a permanent shadow.
The Mad Hatter can see Kitty when she's In Between. Or rather, in the words of the narrator: "He's just mad enough to THINK he can, which turns out, is very nearly the same thing."
The White Queen has a poor understanding of linear time, since it isn't linear in Wonderland. Her voicemail message says "I'm busy, call back five minutes ago."
While all three wonderlandians experience intense culture shock, Maddie has it the worst. Kitty and Lizzie are both very aloof and don't really have friends (outside each other and perhaps Maddie), but Maddie is sweet and kind to everyone, and so she has the most chances to experience Ever After's very different idea of manners. For example, Maddie was convinced for years that everyone in Ever After had really bad table manners because nobody had ever started a food fight.
Lizzie has an incredible memory, especially for things she reads, and was able to memorize the entire script of a play within 24 hours.
Lizzie has a deck of playing cards that her mother gave her with advice on them instead of numbers. Lizzie lives or dies by this advice, even when it doesn't make much sense in context, until she goes through some character development.
Sleep magic doesn't work on Maddie because she's crazy enough that her brain assumes a) she is already asleep and reality is just her dreams or b) her dreams cause reality.
Lizzie can build anything out of cards. Literally anything, and almost immediately. It's magical. She's built an entire wall out of them before. I can't remember if she has, but she definitely could build a functional bridge out of them.
All 3 Wonderlandians consider Cedar Wood a friend (best friend in Maddie's case), and would fistfight people for her.
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internetgiraffekid1673 · 12 days ago
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*grabs my canon welder*
I have no idea what the fuck tlosh is, nor ouap (unless that's once upon a pet but I can't recall unmaking lava occurring over there). I don't underetand abbreviations lol.
BUT THAT WILL NOT STOP ME!
So! What do I mean when I say Ever After High Canon! There is so much damn fiction for this doll franchise that everyone will give you a different answer.
For me, canon is first and foremost the books by Shannon Hale, secondly the books by Suzanne Selfors, and for any other questions I will begrudgingly defer to the cartoon, but I largely consider that to be it's own continuity. All other EAH fiction is stuff I haven't consumed and will only acknowledge it's existence when convenient.
HOWEVER! When I can, I like to try and make these all fit together. So, I have a couple theories on how to make the retcons work!
1) Book narrators are bodiless, cartoon narrators are not. Keeping in mind that I don't know what tlosh is or where this image comes from, I am only familiar with Brooke as a character from the cartoon, which already has plot event contradictions galore with the Shannon Hale books and may as well be it's own thing. This means extra content where Brooke appears is stuff I consider as belonging to the cartoon continuity, not the book continuity.
2) If Brooke is in fact canon to the book continuity (the book narrator does mention their daughter once or twice), then I think there's a miscommunication here. In the footnote where the narrator mentions being bodiless, they also mention looking for invisible ointment, and there is also an EAH landmark: an invisible grove of trees that can only be chopped down with an invisible axe. The narrators are also capable of pinning an invisible badge to Maddie, so they clearly have some sense of physicality to them.
It's possible that by "bodiless" the book narrator simply means "my body should be incapable of interacting with this world unless circumstances are extraordinary, making me functionally bodiless, but Kitty counts as an extraordinary circumstance apparently." This is the most likely solution I think and the easiest to canon-weld with. The narrators have bodies, it's just highly unusual for those bodies to be capable of interacting with the story world.
3) Finally, the crack theory: Brooke is lying in tlosh for fun and profit (I still don't know what tlosh is). She's actively spreading misinformation about narrators and how narration works because it's funny and because it gives her more freedom to do things. If people think narrators have bodies, it'll help her continue doing shenanigans because people will waste time trying to physically restrain her from shenanigans instead of the ways narrators need to properly be restrained.
Thanks for your fascinating additions! Which theory do you like, or do you have another one? Or you can just accept the ret-con at face value. I'm not the kind of person to just roll with ret-cons and go "oh this thing I liked doesn't exist now," but it's fine if you prefer to do that for the sake of things making sense.
Some Fun Facts About the Wonderlandians from the EAH Books
Maddie and Kitty can hear the narrator, but Lizzie can't. This is because, as queen, it's Lizzie's job to be bossy and bring some order to the chaos of wonderland. She "reminds things what they are when they forget." No word one way or the other on the White Queen, but I'd assume she has a similar problem.
Kitty CAN hear the narrator but spends most of her time pretending not to because:
Kitty does not like being narrated. She actively conceals her thoughts and feelings from the narrator most of the time and they have to guess based on her actions. She does have some tells though, like how she's always thinking about cheese when she licks her lips and looks up. She's also far from infallible and leaves her thoughts exposed whenever she's distracted.
Kitty has also managed to scratch the narrator before, despite them being an invisible bodiless being.
When Kitty turns invisible, she goes to a place called "Between" which is some sort of shadowland behind reality. She describes it as "a little like running, a bit like dreaming, and a lot like swimming." There is no collision In Between---you can freely move through walls and objects---and no significant gravity, since you can float. It also enables you to fast travel (1 step In Between can equal around 50 steps in reality).
It does however, make you feel weird and sleepy if you stay there for too long, and Kitty has an uncle who actually spent so much time Between that he became a permanent shadow.
The Mad Hatter can see Kitty when she's In Between. Or rather, in the words of the narrator: "He's just mad enough to THINK he can, which turns out, is very nearly the same thing."
The White Queen has a poor understanding of linear time, since it isn't linear in Wonderland. Her voicemail message says "I'm busy, call back five minutes ago."
While all three wonderlandians experience intense culture shock, Maddie has it the worst. Kitty and Lizzie are both very aloof and don't really have friends (outside each other and perhaps Maddie), but Maddie is sweet and kind to everyone, and so she has the most chances to experience Ever After's very different idea of manners. For example, Maddie was convinced for years that everyone in Ever After had really bad table manners because nobody had ever started a food fight.
Lizzie has an incredible memory, especially for things she reads, and was able to memorize the entire script of a play within 24 hours.
Lizzie has a deck of playing cards that her mother gave her with advice on them instead of numbers. Lizzie lives or dies by this advice, even when it doesn't make much sense in context, until she goes through some character development.
Sleep magic doesn't work on Maddie because she's crazy enough that her brain assumes a) she is already asleep and reality is just her dreams or b) her dreams cause reality.
Lizzie can build anything out of cards. Literally anything, and almost immediately. It's magical. She's built an entire wall out of them before. I can't remember if she has, but she definitely could build a functional bridge out of them.
All 3 Wonderlandians consider Cedar Wood a friend (best friend in Maddie's case), and would fistfight people for her.
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