#Billy's rescued from the UD on everyone's way to kill Vecna

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One day I'll share my post S3 Billy with y'all

[ladykailitha]

I really do think of the wildest shit at work.

Take the time-travel/time loop trope and make it comedy of errors by having it be from Henry Creel/Vecna’s POV. Say after his near defeat at the end of the 4th season, he finds a way to travel back in time. He tries taking out El. Nope! Too resilient. Then Eddie. But Eddie seems to be made of pure chaos and every time Henry tries to kill him, it makes things worse. Like way worse.

So he figures Steve is the cause of all his troubles. He’s the tank. Their protector get rid of him and everything will work out, right? Nope. If he thought trying to take out Eddie was bad, Steve’s worse. And the further back he tries to kill Steve the sooner chaos machine Eddie is introduced and Henry still dies. (In one case Henry tries to poison him at Tina’s Halloween party and Nancy and Steve don’t have the blow out but she still cheats on him with Jonathan, but Eddie finds him throwing up at the party and takes him the hospital.)

So in a last ditch effort Henry tries to rescue Will from the demogorgon but runs into Eddie so instead of having everyone surprised about the Upside Down because Will can’t warn them, it accidentally gets the full party together sooner, they figure out who he is and why he’s doing all this shit and kills him for good. In 1983. And we find out that’s why the UD was stuck in that time period was because the place knew Vecna was cancer and tricked him in to time traveling so it could be rid of him for good.

Steve and Nancy realize they weren’t good for each other, Robin and Steve are still besties, just in high school now, Eddie and Steve are dating (on the down low, their friends know but no one else). The party lives happy lives and when Max and Billy move to Hawkins Max is instantly brought into the group and Billy for all his posturing is King but it feels hallow. He barely graduates before leaving town and Neil for good. Neil gets arrested when he tries to break Max’s arm the day Billy leaves and is jailed for a long time.

Eddie graduates on time the first time and works at Thacher Tires saving money to fund his band when Gareth (the youngest member) graduates they could make an album.

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Ugh, the possible secret connection between Will and Brenner is so annoying because the writers also (probably intentionally) avoided making Will and Brenner interact or see each other face to face the whole show. Will sees Brenner only when he died at the desert and that's it. And it's portrayed very ambigously. Like, did he recognize Brenner or did he not? Maybe Will didnt recognize Brenner but Brenner still knew about him and there is something else going on that we have not learned yet? But it just feels purposeful that they have never seen each other face to face since freaking S1, it has to mean something especially how the lab and Brenner were involved in creating Will's fake death body and trying to deceive others my making it seem like Will died. Why not make the same thing for Barb as well? If it was just to cover up the existence of the UD and all that mess, then they would have created a fake body for Barb as well and faked her death. But that's not what happened. The way they treated Will's disappearence and Barb's disappearence/death were very different. Brenner focused on Will but never on Barb, why?

Like this guy also KNEW Will was possessed once again and that the UD was coming for Will once again in S2. Didnt he suspect anything? That was sus. Surely he must have thought that the way Will survived the UD for a week was weird as hell. And now he is possessed, too? And HE ONCE AGAIN SURVIVES? Are you shitting me? How the hell a guy like Brenner wouldnt think that shit was weird as fuck? Unless... unless he knew beforehand that Will was already 'special' in some way and he suspected it? But he couldnt exactly reach to Will bc Will had an entire family trying to protect him. Because manipulating El and Henry were easier since El had only a mother that got her brain fried, and Henry killed his whole family (except his father before collapsing), so it was easier for Brenner. But Brenner couldnt possibly reach Will after Will was rescued from the UD because Will didnt just have Joyce. He also had Hopper, his friends and other members that were there for him. Reaching Will would have been harder, so he maybe just decided to keep an eye on Will from the sidelines?

Maybe Owens knew it too...? Like, the way Owens has been acting is suspicious as well. The way he actually has been working with Brenner and the lab the whole time and he kept it a secret? He never informed the others that Brenner was alive the whole time? That man is sus as well.

Too much to be explained honestly and the only person who can explain all of this shit is Vecna himself. Brenner is already bones, Owens is sus but even if he knows somethings and is keeping certain secrets its not like he knows about other plot points.

The whole explanation as to HOW and WHY Will disappeared, how he managed to survive unlike the other victims in the UD for a freaking week, the way he's found at the library without the Demogorgon actually attacking him, the way he was alive with a tube thing inside him, the way he's possessed later on but the MF/Vecna still didn't kill him. ''He wants to kill everyone else but me''. The way Will could feel the UD and MF even before he got possessed. The way he was alreading showing powers like shadow walking, true sight etc before his possession and the way he didnt get killed after MF got exorcised out of him. Why? MF killed all those flayed people, and it killed Billy when Billy went against him. So why the hell not kill Will in S2 or in S3 when Will was still feeling the presence of MF and informing others about his plan?

S5 cannot come faster honestly. I need Vecna to sit and give a 1 hour long monologue explaining all of that shit because I am losing my mind.

ANON THESE ARE ALL SUCH FANTASTIC POINTS OH MY GOD YOURE SO SO SO RIGHT. IM LIKE HALF AWAKE RN AND I DONT HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THIS BUT I AGREE AND I ALSO NEED THE VECNA MONOLOGUE AND S5 ASAP!!!!

LIKE IM JUST POSTING THIS WITHOUT SAYING MUCH BECAUSE. YES. YOU MAKE SO MANY GREAT POINTS. ITS ALL SO SUSPICIOUS!!! ITS ALL SO WEIRD!!!! BRILLIANT ASK ANON!!!!