#Batman ditf hush

[itsblueberry13-blog]

#...Bruce has had his fair share of attempted murders#he left KGBeast for dead again after breaking his neck for shooting Dick. in Batman 57#he left Joker to die in DitF. allowed Jim to shoot Joker in NML. nearly killed Joker in Hush. pretty much killed Joker in Endgame#he almost stabbed Riddler in the face in TWOJAR. left him for dead at the beginning of the story too#he thought he killed someone in Run Riddler Run and tbh he's not terribly affected by it#he left Hush for dead in Gotham Knights 74 for Joker to kill#and he DID shoot Darkseid in Final Crisis#then there's him accidentally pushing two thugs in a meat grinder in Batman 616. aaaa but I'm stopping. sorry for going off#Bruce's no-killing thing is... complicated :)))#but I also think that Dick caused someone's death more than once? other than killing Joker with his bare hands in Joker's Last Laugh#can't remember the issue but he got someone hit by lightning and left them for dead#also Kate attempted to kill Clayface in Detective Comics 974#the Batfam is definitely not a stranger to murder attempts#batman#batfam#batfam meta

So, I just realized something.

I need to do some more research (particularly during the Deacon Blackfire era and for several members) but I genuinely think that besides Jason Todd, Barbara Gordon may have made the most attempts at murder on the pages. I counted three; one in Self Defense (The Hacker Files), one considered assassination attempt on Joker (can't recall the issue) and one assassination attempt on Black Mask (Batman #535 [hope I go the number right] in No Man's Land.

To compare, Dick and Cass have 1 count of murder each, I don't believe Tim has killed anyone and I'm 90% sure Steph hasn't killed someone. If anyone has numbers for the others please lemme know, I am genuinely curious.

[rezhood]

Spoilers for Batman Death in the Family Hush Route

This may be kind of unpopular, but Hush was one of my favorite endings. It’s going to drive me crazy that it stops at a cliff hanger, forever feeling unfinished, with Jason’s decision to raise Damien for revenge. Then ending right there smh! But I think it’s a realistic reaction, and don’t come for me because yes I agree it’s completely out of character for Jason!

But that’s what unresolved trauma, brain injurie, and PTSD can and will do to a person, it’s why child abuse victims often end up becoming abusers themselves. Jason knows that there is a lot wrong with him, because he’s miserable and suffering all the time. He knows that, but he’s never lived a normal day in his life, and genuinely has no idea what exactly was the wrong thing in his past. He blames Bruce, for putting him on the path of becoming a vigilante. Jason never gets better. He never learns what was right, wrong, good, bad, toxic, because to him it was all treated as normal. Bruce could tell him what was wrong, he did that often as we see, but he could never convince Jason - he could only tell him it was bad for the mission. Bruce himself loved Jason, but he himself admitted it was crazy of him to make Jason Robin with so much unresolved trauma.

So I really don’t find it so unbelievable that Jason - who blames family as the root of all his issues - to want to take Damien under his wing. In his mind, he’s doing Damien a favor. Teaching him that family is bad, that he can’t rely on Wayne’s or Al Ghul’s, but at the same time Jason right away identifies himself as Damien’s family. In his mind he’s going to be the best person to raise this kid, that he’ll never hurt Damien in the same way he was hurt. And that is super realistic. Abuse victims often have children, seeking family that is more secure and less likely to hurt them, and they almost always have good intentions. Trauma victims don’t plan on becoming perpetrators, it happens because they don’t have positive examples to model after. Abuse victims commonly fall back on toxic behaviors because it’s all they know (“It happened to me and I turned out just fine!”) and preform the opposite of what was done to them, which is often just as bad (such as someone who was overly controlled as a child growing up and being lenient to the point of negligence with their own children).

Jason sees Bruce as having lead him to slaughter, that it was a combination of not doing enough, but also setting him on a violent path. He doesn’t see his own trauma, he is totally blinded by what he interprets as failure. Bruce doesn’t kill, he accepts obligation but refuses to really take that last step, and that is where Jason sees the failure. So he’ll do the opposite of Bruce without really doing the opposite. He’s going to teach Damien to kill his enemies, that killing and murder are different, and that he needs to do everything within his power to stay alive. In Jason’s mind that is him doing right, whereas Bruce did wrong. In reality, the actual opposite thing to do, and the best way to save Damien would be to avoid putting him on the vigilante path at all. But because Jason has literally never lived a normal day, he’s gone from street kid to crime fighter, that’s just not an option in his mentality.

Personally I like to think that Damien opens Jason’s eyes, and Jay realizes Bruce made mistakes but his intentions were always good. People often don’t understand their own parent’s decisions until they have their own kids, regardless if they think they’re right or not. I like to think that Jason does something to Damien that makes him realize he’s repeating a cycle. That Jason resents Bruce for putting him on a violent path, but he is doing the same thing to Damien. It’s nice to think that raising a baby will change Jason, but regardless I really like this ending.

[bluebeetle]

actually one thing im still so salty about is ppl, mostly tim stans, being mad about jason “stealing” red robin in the death in a family movie and acting like the writers for that didn’t know things about comics or hated tim or something because LIKE... the ditf movie is actually clearly written by people whove read a lot of comics esp for jason and batman lol..

 like it has a pretty accurate, albeit cut down and simplified, portrayal of Death in the Family, and takes from Batman: Hush, Jason’s brief tenor as Red Robin in Countdown, the original under the red hood and lost days storylines (duh), Son of the Demon, the Killing Joke (Babs’ cameo aside, Joker straight up tells the same joke to Jason that he says in that comic iirc), the Batman RIP and Batman Reborn storylines.... and is actually a really good Jason!!!!!!! Also Tim literally shows up in one of the good endings lol.

[our-happygirl500-fan]

From the spoilers I've seen of the DITF interactive movie in the Red Robin Route Dick is Batman, Jason is Red Robin & Tim is Jason's sidekick Batkid so what I'm saying is Steph as Dick's Robin in that universe

Batman needs a Robin, Tim & Jason are doing their own thing together & the Hush route showed that Damian is a baby in this time period so Steph's going to have to step up