#Atleast some people seems to care about Aegon

[mauvewalker]

I noticed Aegon’s Kingsguard’s friends in the chambers. I know they are displayed as incompetent and not suited but they do seem to care for Aegon- look how worried they were that they must have forgotten protocol as they’re supposed to be I assume guarding the doors instead of as concerned family/friends at a person bedside. Aegon is ultimately their friend first rather than just a king.

Also, noticed they are scared of Aemond and with what’s rumoured to happen to them in the leaks are right to be wary 😐

[chrkrose]

Okay so just a rando ask, I was reading through the posts on your page,, and I came to thinking

If daemon truly abandoned Rhaenyra, why didn't he just run away with nettles? Why did he have to still fight for team black when he could have just flown else where with her? Rhaenyra would have met her own end inevitably. I’m no daemyra shipper, I’m not a daemon fan either it just doesn't add up. He sacrificed his life to get rid of the biggest threat of team green? Wouldn't it be fair to assume it was for Rhaenyra? Or atleast his children.

Now this is just my personal opinion, he loved nettles, yes (she's awesome who wouldn't 😩) but he also bore some love for Rhaenyra (she’s mommy🥰) as well. He chose to let go of nettles to protect her because he loved her. He chose to fight for Rhaenyra because in the end of the day he loved her and wanted to prove his loyalty to her (but wasn’t actually faithful lol)

Daemon in his Katherine era 💀💀💀💅 blurry ass pic

He died for her cause if not for her in the end of the day. Well atleast that’s what I think 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

I don’t believe in the theory that he fled with nettles, it just sort of feels out of character for him, to leave his children, Aegon the younger in the clutches of Aegon ii. Daemon imo would scream his head off if he knew his first born son was captured by Aegon ii, and somehow work up some scheme to get back into the game and possibly overthrow Aegon ii. And it just seems unlikely he survived the fall as well. 

Daemon is a complicated and morally grey character, but like any character he has his merits and he has his flaws. I think his love life would be as complex as he is, conflicted by both duty and love.

I hope I make sense lol, I want to know your thoughts.

Ok, so first thanks for being normal even if you have a different opinion. Usually, I always get a bunch of people screaming at me lmao. It's cool to have rational discussions even if in the end the parts just agree in disagree. Now, back to the points you brought. I still disagree lol. Imo, Daemon didn't die for the cause, much less for Rhaenyra or his children. I'm gonna break down why I think this argument makes no sense whatsoever:

Fire & Blood never implies that Daemon had a close relationship or even cared that much for his children. He didn't hate them or anything, but we have no canon basis to say he was a fatherly type where he thought of his children that much or was willing to make huge sacrifices for them. This is fandom projection 101. So to say he did what he did thinking of his children is a stretch IMO.

Aemond wasn't Rhaenyra's biggest threat at the time. Her biggest threat was Daeron and the Southron army he had assembled. It's canon. "And yet, the greatest threat to Rhaenyra's reign was not Aemond One-Eye, but his younger brother, Prince Daeron The Daring, and the great southron army led by Lord Ormund Hightower." And that was before Ulf and Hugh's betrayal and before Rhaenyra alienated Addam by declaring him a traitor as well. So even if Rhaenyra didn't say anything about that in the letter to Daemon (which I doubt, since she was sending the letter to demand Nettles' death, so she sure talked about the dragonseeds' betrayal), Daemon knew about that already. He knew that without him, she was fucked, because she would have only Tyraxes and Syraxes on Team Black's side, and you can exclude Syraxes since Rhaenyra wouldn't go into battle. He knew all of that. He still chose to die anyway.

About running away with Nettles, a few things to consider. As long as he was with Nettles, she wouldn't be safe. If he runs away with her and Rhaenyra somehow wins the war, she will send for him. He would be a traitor, she'd never forgive that. If Rhaenyra loses, Team Green is definitely going after him. He would be a threat to the throne, they would never let them live. The best way to protect Nettles is to send her away alone. Besides that, regardless of what happened, if he ran away with her, he would never be able to return home and I doubt Daemon was keen on living on the run forever. It doesn't fit him.

It seemed like he was tired of war, tired of the scheming, tired of fighting. Even before I reached the point where he makes the decisions he makes, I felt his narrative shifting, and his time in Maidenpool with Nettles looked much more like a vacation to him and a respite than a mission. He seemed happy with Nettles, and happy with that bubble he created for them, but once reality burst that, he seemed done with everything. This is also sort of corroborated by his dialogue with Aemond, where he agrees he has lived for too long.

The narrative in any way frames his final battle with Aemond as something he is doing for the cause. Daemon might have gone through a somewhat redemption arc, but he's still very much a selfish man and someone who would never go down in any other way than not an epic way because he is "the rogue prince". His showdown with Aemond is written as something about both of them as characters whose arcs are mirrored at every turn, finally culminating in their final encounter, and written as Daemon's big send-off.

The narrative specifically frames his final act as a betrayal through Rhaenyra's lens, further corroborating all that was set up before, something that is narratively satisfying to the reader because at this point she's very much the villain instead of the hero. We have seen her burning bridges, behaving poorly with the smallfolk, and being unfair with allies, culminating in her acts against Addam, Nettles, and Corlys, and overestimating her hand to the point of being arrogant in her certainty that Daemon would come back to be with her after murdering an innocent woman. Until this point, Daemon and Nettles have been written as a romantic arc, one that ends in heartbreak, specifically because of Rhaenyra. So we have this moment of satisfaction when Rhaenyra realizes that even though she did everything she did, and she was so certain she would win, she actually lost. He left her. He betrayed her.

The story leaving the "possibility" that Daemon could have survived and gone to find his way toward Nettles serves to show where his loyalty truly lies, and where his heart is, in life or death. If anything, to believe he went on a suicide mission because he couldn't stand being apart from Nettles is a much more acceptable and logical conclusion of his final choices than the bizarre cope that is the "he died for Rhaenyra, for his children, or for the cause".

Finally, I don't think he loved both because I don't think he ever loved Rhaenyra tbh. Not like he loved Nettles or Laena. An argument can be made that he loves Rhaenyra in the show adaptation (although I disagree about that medium, but this is for another post). But in the book, it's very clear that she's not on top or even second in his list of "women I romantically loved most in my criminal life". I say Nettles comes first because his love for her seemed to come from a genuine place of wonderment and affection, with no hidden agenda behind it. Laena comes close behind because even though we don't know if he indeed fell for her or if he married her to advance politically after his recent downfall from power at the time, he clearly came to love her very much in the years they were together and was happy in their marriage. I say even Mysaria might come first to him than Rhaenyra, he clearly cared for her for a while and was very upset when they lost their baby. The only person beneath Rhaenyra is Rhea because he clearly hates Rhea. In the books, Daemon groomed and wanted to use Rhaenyra to get back at his brother/get closer to the throne and later they combined their shared vision and aligned political ambitions in a marriage that was beneficial to both of them. Obviously, there was physical attraction (and co-dependency on Rhaenyra's part), but love? I don't think so.

[j-a-n-e--d-o-e]

My personal take on the sexualities of the Targaryen Family:

Laenor - kinda obvious but I'll put it anyway for the sake of completeness: Gay, so fucking gay that everyone knew and just politely pretended otherwise in public because of how powerful his family is.

Laena - we don't see her much but I'm going with Bi, no way she's straight with how pretty she is. she and Daemon definitely had some threesomes in Essos and experimented in the bedroom.

Daemon - Pan - this man has seen it all and probably fucked it all atleast once, I refuse to believe this man is straight but more than that he and to a lesser extent younger Rhaenyra make me believe the bullshit about the Targaryens using black magic to fuck dragons in order to become Dragon riders. Daemon gives off fuck around and find out vibes. Sometimes this is fighting, other times this is actual fucking.

Rhaenyra - Pan - much like Daemon she doesn't care so long as your handsom/beautiful but if it's more than just a quick fuck she also has a competency kink. Loyalty is a big thing for her too, probably a trauma response to Alicents betrayal and Criston's bullshit. A lack of monogamy isn't an issue to her so long as it's consensual but then that might not be so much a her thing or even a Targaryen thing but a Valyrian thing.

Aegon is a Hoe, he probably prefers woman but he's been drunk enough to accidentally fuck a man, be fucked by a man and maybe end up involved in some beastiality atleast once. Whether these all happened on the same night or at different low points is up to you.

Aemond - gay but he'd make an acception for Heleana if she ever looked his way - An absolute twat but prides himself on not being Aegon so probably has some kind of consent kink. Have you seen the way he looks at Daemon? Or even sir Criston? Dude likes men but could get it up with a woman if needs be. Then again much like his mother he seems to have a major hard on for 'Duty' so fuck knows.

Heleana - Ace as fuck and stuck with a man whore. The only good thing about her marriage to Aegon is that once he'd done his duty he ignored her for his whores and the servants. Can't say most men would do the same. She's kinda traumatised by the whole experience but glad they only had to do it a few times before she could get back to her bugs and later focus on her twins.

Viserys - Straight - likes to pretend he's adventurous but he's as vanilla as they come and if the shitty horror scenes of him and Alicent together are anything to go by he's Terrible in bed to boot.

Aemma - never had a chance to work it out, married Viserys way too young and was too devoted to ever look elsewhere. Viserys was enough for her and then he gutted her like a fish. Deserved better.

Rhaenys - Demisexual and Monogamous - woman met Corlys and that was it. He was her one and only and she was his. Absolutely Queen and deserved better than being looked over for fucking Viserys of all people