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tabby’s monologue in dr. sullivan’s office was so fucking powerful. and so was her admission that she wished she carved the A into chip’s chest. it’s refreshing to see that female rage portrayed so wonderfully and powerfully on screen. the writers nailed it and so did chandler kinney. so grateful she’s our tabby 🫶
#pretty little liars summer school#pll summer school#pretty little liars#pll#pll original sin#tabby haworthe#imogen adams#noa olivar#faran bryant#mouse hanrada#Archie waters#chandler kinney
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A's DEADLY WARNING (PRETTY LITTLE LIARS: ORIGINAL SIN)
"To thine own self be true. One bully down. Five more to go. Keep quiet about me or you're next." -A
#cg_pllreboot#pretty little liars os#pretty little liars original sin#pll os#pll original sin#pll os gifs#pll original sin gifs#pll aesthetic#pll os aesthetic#pretty little liars original sin gifs#pll os 1x02#imogen adams#noa olivar#faran bryant#mouse honrada#tabby haworthe#tabitha haworthe#A's messages#pll reboot#pretty little liars reboot#bailee madison#maia reficco#chandler kinney#zaria#zaria simone#malia pyles#archie waters
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Mon🅰️ & 🅰️rchie — an incoherent theory.
ALSO LOTS AND LOTS OF SPOILERS AND POSSIBLY SPELLING ERRORS. )
Alternatives titles include “How Archie took on the A moniker” OR “the one where Mona accidentally inspired a serial killer” OR “how Alex Drake is possibly even lamer than she already was and got The Game(tm) snatched out from under her” OR “these timelines are so messy as it is and I really suck at timelines so please god just bear with me as I stumble my way through trying to establish a fun little theory”.
So. As someone who’s seen both shows (although I saw the original a while ago), one of the biggest questions I have when watching Original Sin is “how did The Game(tm) go from various young women pulling strings behind the scenes and playing epic games of sabotage and blackmail while calling themselves ‘A’ go to a hulking scary mfer that runs around in a mask and kills terrible people?”.
This is my attempt, inspired by many late night overthinking sessions, at piecing together how the mantle of ‘A’ passed from one group of liars to another, from one town to another and who might have inspired the current ‘A’.
How did we get here? Will this make any sense? Let’s see, shall we?
So apparently the Original PLL takes place from 2010 to 2018. Again, all these timelines and articles I’ve read are a whole ass mess, but like me, they’re just working with what they’ve got. Thanks, Marlene.
First, a quick rundown of our main locations and players.
For locations, we’ll obviously be focusing on Rosewood and Millwood, which are a few hours apart and easy to go between in a few hours. The other most important location will obviously be the Radley Sanitarium.
For our main players, we will be focusing primarily on:
Mona Vanderwaal - the original A.
Dr Anne Sullivan - therapist at the Radley.
Sebastian Sullivan - only child of Dr Sullivan.
Archie Waters - the current A.
Angela Waters - twin sister to Archie. Took her own life at 16.
Rose Waters- mother to Angela and Archie Waters.
Okay. Here’s my attempt at constructing a timeline and assigning details where I can. Please note I got a lot of this from the wikis and used episode dates as dates of events unless dates in the episodes were given.
March 21st 1983, Angela and Archie are born. Rose is a teen mother who becomes heavily religious later in life, a disastrous combination with her untreated mental illness. Angela is subjected to verbal abuse and shaming and Archie, apparently having a face that “only a mother could love” is kept in an animal cage in a room.
The father of the twins is Marshall Clanton, who becomes a teacher and later principal at Millwood High, which Angela later attends.
Mona Vanderwaal is born on October 8th, 1993 in Rosewood where she grows up.
Angela Waters dies on 2000 1st at the age of 16, taking her own life after a year of being bullied and experiencing an assault which led to more bullying.
Her daughter’s death sends Rose Wanters into a breakdown and she goes to Millwood School with a knife, where she is stopped by Marshall Clanton.
Rose Waters is committed to the Radley in January-February 2000 and is treated by Dr Anne Sullivan. During this space of time, Dr Sullivan investigates the Waters house after her sessions with Rose make her wonder about Rose’s son. She finds Archie, who is also 16 at the time and has escaped his cage. Dr Sullivan is alarmed and calls the police, but Archie is nowhere to be found.
June 23rd, 2002, Sebastian Sullivan is born in Rosewood.
Alison Dilaurentis disappears on September 1st-2nd 2009, due to harassment from ‘A’, so therefore Mona has already taken on the moniker of ‘A’ in revenge for Alison bullying her. It is unknown for how long Alison had been bullying Mona to push her to this moment.
June 2011, the original liars (Aria Montgomery, Emily Fields, Hannah Marin and Spencer Hastings) start group therapy with Dr Sullivan to try to process their feelings around Alison’s disappearance and the trauma they’re suffering at the hands of A/Mona’s cyber harassment. Dr Sullivan realises she is being stalked shortly after sessions begin.
August 2011, Dr Sullivan is harassed further by ‘A’ and the original liars are led to believe she has been kidnapped and buried alive. They search but do not find her. Dr Sullivan is revealed to the audience have never having been buried at all, presumably after being blackmailed and threatened by ‘A’. She disappears for a while as a result.
Mona Vanederwaal is unmasked as A and committed to the Radley in 2012 where she is treated by Dr Sullivan, who also reveals that Mona blackmailed her and threatened her son, Sebastian. This was the cause of her disappearance.
Mona is discharged from the Radley in January 2013.
February 2013, Mona visits Dr Sullivan to thank her for her help in treating her. Mona is presumably no longer A but is still involved with and aware of “the game” at points throughout following seasons.
June 2015, Pam Fields makes an appointment for Emily Fields to see Dr Sullivan after her experiences in the dollhouse. Dr Sullivan is therefore still in Rosewood at this time.
The time jump in the OG series happens soon afterwards. This is where things really get dicey as what happens in this space of time is anyones guess. I’m just going to go with what we know for a fact aka what has been stated by other characters and we’ve seen after the time jump.
Post-time jump, Dr Sullivan is not seen again in the OG series so we can assume she moved to Millwood at this time with Sebastian.
The Radley also closes during the time jump and is converted into a hotel. The function of the building may have changed, but its dark history cannot be hidden and so going forward we will also be looking at evidence of an accessible paper trail. This will involve the Radley, the people it held for treatment, the people who worked there and how easy it would be for an outsider to find information.
The purpose of this is to show how easily someone could find out about the events of the original A incidents, what the liars went through and the various identities of A.
When the Radley is closed and turned into a hotel, Rose Waters is discharged and returns to Millwood. She is homeless but among her person belongings are her medical records from her treatment with Dr Sullivan.
October 14th, 2018. Sebastian Sullivan, while out on a jog in the forests of Millwood is killed presumably by Archie Waters. Sebastian’s body is found positioned over some three logs that have been assembled in the shape of an A. In the flashback, Archie is also already wearing his mask with the stitching in the shape of an A.
Depending on the timeline, in either July or October 2018, Alex Drake (secret twin to Spencer Hastings) is revealed to be “A.D”, the latest in a line of A’s who took on the mantle that Mona created, so it’s suitable that Mona is the one to mastermind her unmasking.
Later in October 2018, Mona kidnaps Alex and her mother Mary and takes them to the dollhouse.
Depending on when exactly Alex is revealed, given that Archie has already started targeting Dr Sullivan in the same year, it’s possible that The Game(tm) has already been taken from Alex by Archie and is about to twist into a new deadly form.
At some point between 2018 and the start of Original Sin in 2022, Marshall Clanton, now school principal, reunites with his son, Archie, and they set plans in motion to take revenge on the women who bullied Angela to her death by using their daughters.
In 2020 at another point, Mona returns to work at BHU with Alison DiLaurentis after it’s implied that Alex and Mary managed to escape her.
August 20th 2022, Davie Adams, one of the original bullies, receives a flier from the Y2K party where Angela Waters died. On the back of the flier is a threatening message with a single red A in one of the words. Davie takes her own life shortly afterwards and leaves an A in her blood on the bathroom wall. The red ‘A’ moniker is already being implemented on the poster.
September 28th 2022. The new liars (Imogen Adams, Tabitha Hayworthe, Farran Bryant, Noa Olivar and Minnie Honrada) all receive their first ‘A’ texts. This new form of The Game(tm) has now begun.
November 3rd 2022. Imogen Adams and Tabitha Hayworthe, investigating a lead on Rose Waters, drive to Rosewood and stay overnight at the Radley Hotel to meet with Eddie Lamb, a former orderly at the Radley, the next day.
November 4th 2022. Eddie Lamb shows Imogen and Tabby his old logbook of people who came for visitations, including the people who saw Rose Waters. This proves that even though the Radley is not an asylum anymore, there is a paper trail from when it was and the names of people who were patients and who visited. Eddie now works at the hotel, but he still has evidence of his time at the Radley and it’s previous history.
December 15th 2022, Archie’s identity as ‘A’ is revealed, along with Principal Clanton’s involvement and the fact that he is Archie and Angela’s father.
Principal Clanton is arrested the same night and Archie is hospitalised after being stabbed in self defence by Imogen.
He escapes shortly afterwards and goes on a rampage.
January 1st, 2023, Archie Waters is captured and sentenced to death for the Millwood Massacre.
June 11th, 2023. The new liars, now being stalked by a new killer calling herself Bloody Rose Waters, locate the real Rose Waters and are able to search her belongs enough to find that Dr Sullivan treated her at the Radley. This proves more of an accessible paper trail to Radley records.
June 12th 2023. Imogen and Tabby are able to break into Dr Sullivan’s office and steal their patient files. If two sixteen year old girls could break in and easily access this information, it’s safe to assume anyone could. As the girls flip through files, the names of the original liars are clearly seen. There is an identifiable paper trail dating years back to the events of the original show where Dr Sullivan was treating the original girls for their trauma and anxiety around what happened to Alison and the original ‘A’; Mona Vanderwaal. This information can also be accessed with relative ease.
Imogen says these don’t seem to be files from the Radley and could be from a private practice, but they would still likely contain information about the original A incidents with Mona.
June 18th 2023. Imogen confronts Dr Sullivan about whether or not she is Bloody Rose, demands proof, and to know why she is so eager to treat the new liars while not disclosing her connection to the Waters family. Dr Sullivan reveals she treated Rose, found Archie and believed that he followed and stalked her for years before killing her son. Her motive for trying to help the new liars is to try not to fail them, as she believes she failed to protect her son and that she believes Archie targeted her because she didn’t do enough to help him or his mother.
June 19th 2023. Dr Sullivan gives Imogen proof of her story by taking her to see Sebastian’s grave.
July 4th 2023. Dr Sullivan is ambushed and murdered in her office by Archie Waters, who has escaped jail, again wearing his ‘A’ mask.
Okay. That was the timeline I cobbled together with duct tape and tears. It’s the best I can do.
So, piecing together what we know of both shows, the fact that there is an ‘A’ in the original show doesn’t remain a secret for long. Several people take on the title and work for the A team.
There is a long list of material evidence on both the OG show and OS for people being in the Radley, along with who treated them, what was discussed and who it involved. Both shows are full of twists and turns involving investigating and blackmailing by various characters.
I point all this out to say that there’s a not insignificant chance that, if Archie Waters really was following and keeping an eye on Dr Sullivan over the years as she believed he was, and if he really did hold a grudge against her, Archie could have gained access to information her private life, her son, the people she treated and ‘A’.
Now, I’m about to point out some stuff while also doing a little speculating. Keep bearing with me here. We’re almost done.
It wouldn’t have been hard for Archie to find Dr Sullivan. She has frequent therapy sessions with his mother, after all. It wouldn’t have been hard to find her office as a result.
It wouldn’t have been hard to find out about A, given that Dr Sullivan still kept detailed files on the original liars even years later. Given that A was a large factor in their lives, it wouldn’t have been hard to find out that A was stalking and blackmailing the girls, just as Archie began to do in Millwood.
It wouldn’t have been hard to find out about Dr Sullivan’s son, given that Sebastian was used by A to threaten and blackmail her to the point she disappeared for a while. The same boy Archie killed after taking on the ‘A’ title.
It wouldn’t have been hard to find out about Alison DiLaurentis, the girl who disappeared. The original liars were in therapy to talk about her as well as A. It wouldn’t have been hard to find out that Alison was the typical, manipulative, popular girl who was also a bully. Everyone knew it. Not dissimilar to Karen Beasley, the popular bully of Millwood High that Archie murdered at the Spirit Week dance.
It wouldn’t be hard to find out that when the identity of A was revealed it was a young woman named Mona Vanderwaal, pushed to her action by the ceaseless bullying she endured at Alison’s hands, while the original liars did nothing to help Mona. Again, there’s one or two passing similarities to Angela, who was bullied by some of the popular girls while others turned a blind eye until it was too late.
Mona didn’t meet Angela’s fate, however. She did things a little differently. So differently that she started a ripple effect that inspired several shadowy figures behind the scenes with mysterious texts and their own agendas. Mona herself played a part in uncovering several of them.
So, in conclusion and to return to our question at the beginning, how did The Game(tm) morph so drastically from original show to reboot, and how did the persona of ‘A’ go from belonging to a cyberstalking mastermind bent on payback from the girls who bullied her to being attached to a vengeful serial killer who targets abusers and bullies?
“Whacky ass writing lmao who tf cares” is one answer, and tbh probably the right one…but then there’s the answer I came to instead; that Archie Waters in his stalking of Dr Sullivan discovered the whole ‘A’ mess and was inspired by the original A, Mona.
There are enough similar notes hit that the A that Archie would have found out about would have had to have been her, not Cece or Alex (right down to them both targeting Sebastian who’s really the true victim here lmao), and maybe have even become obsessed with Mona to the degree that he decided to adopt the ‘A’ persona that she created and take over The Game(tm) that she started, only to turn it into something far darker and more deadly.
Bonus points if Alex Drake’s big dramatic ‘A.D’ reveal as the secret twin gets undercut by the fact that someone else’s secret twin already pulled the rug out from under her and took off with the title of being the new ‘A’ while the original ‘A’ locked her in a basement in France. Because that’s incredibly funny.
Anyway…this is barely coherent and A Lot and I apologise. I just have a lot of thoughts and had to get them out somehow.
Please don’t come for me 🫠
#my content#my writing#fan theory#pll#pll original sin#pll summer school#pretty little liars#mona vanderwaal#archie waters#tw sensitive content#Reddit is fucking me over soooo YOU get my theory!!
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I was thinking about how the monicker 'A' is used by Archie Waters and now in ways by Bloody Rose.
And with the introduction of Spooky Spaghetti, a very mid-2000s internet era concept, it stands to reason that the concept of 'A' was circulating as an urban legend from Rosewood.
That could be a reason that Clanton and Archie took on that title. They heard of Charlotte, Alex, and Mona's crimes as 'A'.
THEN I was thinking about how there is no way Mona doesn't know about this shit happening in Millwood. Like she still has Alex and Mary Drake trapped in her dollhouse. She is still playing the game.
So my headcanon is that Mona DESPISES 'A' being used under these circumstances. Like, Mona loved the game, never the violence. While she killed, she was not gory or psychotic in the way Archie and Bloody Rose were and are.
So Mona is keeping tabs on this and is just so pissed that this is happening.
#pll#pll: os#pll: ss#pretty little liars#pretty little liars: original sin#pretty little liars: summer school#A#a#Mr. Clanton#Archie Waters#Rose Waters#Bloody Rose#bloody Rose Waters#Mona#MonA#Mona Vanderwaal#spooky spaghetti#mouse#mouse hanroda
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As soon as i saw this i had to redraw it with archie
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we really don't talk enough about what a wild decision it was for riverdale to hire famous new queer cinema director gregg araki to direct only the wrestling episode specifically to make it as uncomfortably homoerotic as possible and then never hire another outside guest director again.
#and this with arakis most mainstream famous film being about kids sexually abused by their sports coach and the long term effects of that#and this episode essentialy kickstarting the abusive dynamic that would derail archies life#so much going on here#huge brained as usual#riverdale#gregg araki#archie andrews#hiram lodge#i think they shouldve had john waters do an episode fuck the pg 13 rating
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They don't know how to build a cobblestone generator😭
#pokemon#magma leader maxie#aqua leader archie#hardenshipping#oras#fanart#digital art#archie and maxie are just a water and lava buckets hehe#cheese`s shitpost
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riverdale elementary school field trip 🚌📌
#riverdale#jughead jones#archie andrews#betty cooper#silly#art#rvd art#fan art#god i don’t know. just got emotional thinking about the baby trio going on field trips to sweet water river#and playing in the mud and collecting rocks and identifying bugs#GODDDDDDDD#THEY ARE BEST FRIENDS!!!!!!#THEY LOVE EACH OTHERRRR
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i’ve been playing a lot of animal crossing lately
#they’re so silly…#i say about literal ecoterrorists#they have wars of water construction vs cliff construction#my art#soni’s doodles#hardenshipping#pokemon#animal crossing#aqua leader archie#magma leader maxie#pokemon oras#pokemon rse
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WOW!! Our Cale suddenly went from being a weak ass human to an OP character who just crushed a whole dragon!! 🤣🤣 (without even bleeding!!...yet..)
Cale: (plans to knock out Cisco)
*knocks her in the back of the head with water chains infused with DA*
Sky eating water: (accidentally uses too much strength)
Cisco: (Gets slammed on the ground so hard that her head got stuck on the ice in the process)
Cale: I'm stronger than I thought?😳 (Flustered; Scratches cheeks in embarrassment)
Everyone else: ........(dazed)
Roan kingdoms combat mages: Remembers how their commander defeated WS and SG... ( Awed)
Clopeh: Hehehe!! (Cradling his video recording device while recording everything🤭)
Archie: (Just gave up) Everyone is just crazy!!
Horns: (Immediate betrayal) I BETRAY!! I WANT TO BE ON YOUR SIDE!!!! (while descending on the ground in his huge dragon form crushing Cisco in the process) 🤣🤣
Clopeh unlocked one more video about his legend!! 😆
Poor Cisko getting crushed twice!!😅😅
#lcf#lcf part 2#poor cale#clopeh sekka#laws of hunting#op cale#clown cale!!#lcf novel#lcf archie#cale henituse#sky eating water#lcf dragons#lout of the count’s family#trash of the count's family#tcf#lcf cale#cale's nonexistent slacker life#new video for Cale's museum unlocked!!#Idk why these video recording scenes make me laugh so#unlucky bastard cale#bishop horns tho XD#the guy just switched sides instantly XD#crushed squashed poor Cisko
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I love that Archie regrets his choice to awaken kyogre like right after he does it… like in Maxie’s case, he didn’t want everyone to almost die that wasn’t the point and he refused to listen when he was told that was what was gonna happen so like I get that. You’re expecting some water to go away and a bunch of new viable land to show itself and instead you get volcano Godzilla trying to kill everyone.
But like… not only did Archie know that Kyogre was gonna do that, he wanted it to happen?? He wanted everyone to die that was the whole damn plan???
He woke up a leviathan to drown everyone in a biblical flood and then immediately realized “hey I don’t wanna kill everyone, I just don’t wanna be divorced anymore!!!”
I love idiots 💕💕💕
#pokemon#pokemon oras#aqua leader archie#hardenshipping#love that for them 😘😘#I just think about it a lot like…#Maxie’s post game guilt makes sense he almost killed everyone#and he didn’t want to#but Archie??? bro???#he said oopsie I got what I wanted#’guys don’t be mad but I don’t really want this anymore’#while Shelly and Maxie are soaked with hell rain water
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Just answering a question on one of my posts from earlier.
Mobius as a name is ONLY from the Archie comics. Its never been used in the games to refer to the planet.
And hilariously, if you've read the comics, Mobius is literally just Earth but a futuristic, post-apocalyptic one similar to the OVA. They changed the planet's name because I guess in the comic's timeline, everyone forgot all of Earth's name and history after an alien race came and destroyed human civilization.
#Earth is Earth#Water is Wet#and Sonic is fast#It's funny how Archie mythos gets mixed up by fans into the canon of Sonic when none of it has ever been used in the games#I used to mistakenly think Amy wished herself older like in Archie but that's due to my child self getting things confused#SA2#Sonic Adventure 2#Sonic Unleashed#Easy mistake to make especially if you grew up with both#Zoomer Sonic
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as someone who isn’t a fan of the holidays, these are the only Santas I will accept.
‘tis the season 🎄
#yes i’m weirdly looking at the way archie is holding his water#look at his fingers 👀#archie madekwe#jacob elordi#saltburn
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Pretty Little Liars: Original Sin — Episode 5 “The Night He Came Home”.
Can you tell this is my favourite episode?
#pll#pll original sin#pll os#pretty little liars#pretty little liars original sin#my gifs#imogen adams#noa olivar#Sean noble#faran bryant#minnie honrada#tabitha haworthe#kelly beasley#archie waters#halloween
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Sometimes I'm just existing and then think about Maxie and Archie
Because you know Pokemon is quite a lot about People And Pokemon And Connection. This coexistence. How People is glad to be with their Pokemon, and Pokemon glad to be with People. How this is base of whole concept. Without this connection we wouldn't have everything we have. That's the base. That's the thing that nobody touches.
And then we have Maxie and Archie. One of them loves pokemon, and doesn't like people. One of them loves people, but don't like pokemon. They're basically go against this Base of Pokemon. (They're stupid ok)
This is something hitting me so much like holy shit like aaughhh so much symbolism and how the true power lays in connection between Pokemon and people and how the best ending for Maxie and Archie is to connect again to try to understand each other and make Connection
#sorry for my bad english#sorry if it something someone told many times lol#pokemon#hardenshipping#It makes me think about au where they would be young trainers who go to their adventure#having this “rivalry” but in truth theyre like. best friends. and everyone know that#and this happens in Hoenn too#and you can see how Hoenn looked in their childhood#or it would be the same hoenn as we have right now fuck May and Brendan i have new heroes lol#and you have all these little stupid features#imagine youre playing as Maxie and you call your best rival friend and youre making small talk about he start talk about#how adorable water type pokemon are#and Maxie pretends to be annoyed but you know he arent#and in the credits you fight for good measure#and afterwards you can have option to walk to archie AND KISS HIM ON HIS FUCKING STUPID LIPS and then credits roll#holy shit guys im so smart take notes while im alive (pleaee dont. im ugly)#god damn it these tags longer than post itself lol#sorry
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mmm onion scented water bottle
#i washed my water bottle earlier and ig there was some onion scent left on my dish brush????#archies statements
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