#Anti Miguel o’hara

[tainted-liquor]

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[bennie-jerry]

My Beef with Miguel O'Hara - A Spiderverse Rant

If you've read the title of this, you already know who I'm gonna be crapping on.

I know some of y'all are gonna flame me in the comments, but I do not care. Now, if you’re willing to bring up counterpoints about a FICTIONAL topic in a respectful manner, I’ll listen no problem because I don't mind being wrong (and I actually HOPE I'm wrong about this since I WAS excited about watching Miguel in action because there was so much hype around him). But if you take me having beef with a fictional character as me having beef with YOU, then I politely ask you to spare your mental health and drink some hot chocolate under a blanket after you click away from this post, thank you. 

Now back to the topic.

Most of us Spider-Man fans have seen the movie, "Across the Spider-Verse" at some point (and if you haven't, what are you doing? Go watch it, it's on Netflix). Excluding everything that makes it a masterpiece aside, there's one character in the movie who really grinds my gears. Not in terms of how they’re written, but more so just how they are as a person in general. 

Miguel O'Freaking'Hara. 

I do not like Miguel. I feel pity for him, but I do not like him. I do like him as a character, though. I feel like he definitely adds to the story and makes it interesting. I genuinely feel like ATSV would’ve been really boring if he wasn’t part of it. But I do not like him as a person. 

Miguel doesn't JUST have a stick up his butt, he has the whole TREE.

I couldn't care less about the fact this dude looks like a handsome statue because of the stuff he was doing to Miles. I think y’all forgot that this dude THREW A TABLE AT A MINOR UPON FIRST MEETING HIM and then has the nerve to throw away the food Miles got for him like it's trash. If that’s already not a red flag, I don’t know what is.

I don’t care if it was just ‘frustration.’ Miguel's 27 years old, he should know better. Unless Miles was attacking him in the beginning (which he wasn’t), there’s no reason he should’ve done that. But oh…I have much more beef with this dude than just a table. 

I understand that his supposed role and whatnot in the Spiderverse is that he has to keep canon events going. He has to get rid of 'anomalies.’ Unfortunately, Miles Morales (from Earth-1610) is an anomaly because he was never supposed to be the Spider-Man of his universe. So, what does Miguel do? He tries to obliterate the guy.

…Ex–freaking-scuse me?

"Oh, but Miguel tried to talk to Miles about everything!" 

Yeah. And he did it in the worst way possible. Miguel had absolutely no empathy towards the whole situation, then has the gall to wonder why Miles is running off and not listening to him. No dip, Sherlock. I'm pretty sure if you harshly told any normal person that someone they loved deeply was going to die and that they couldn't save them without any hint of compassion, they'd go against what you said and try to find a way to save them, bro. 

Miguel's whole schmo is that Miles becoming Spider-Man was bad because it created Spot and Spot's creating a bunch of problems. As a result, Miguel also tells Miles that saving his dad is not allowed. Here's where I have a problem with that logic. If Miles being Spider-Man is an anomaly in the first place, why NOT save Jeff as a way to prevent more anomalies from HAPPENING? If anything, Miles losing his dad would've just been another canon event for him to continue BEING Spider-Man, even though he wasn't supposed to be. Legit, this dude’s logic irritates the pee out of me.

Miguel's approach to the problem is also hypocritical considering that he lost his own wife and daughter in the universe he belonged to, then invaded ANOTHER UNIVERSE he didn't belong to, which honestly in my opinion makes Miguel look even worse to me. I'm willing to bet that Miguel’s alternate daughter could’ve been that universe’s spider hero, but because THIS vampire edge lord stepped into a universe that was NOT his, it prevented the canon event of the classic “Dead Guardian trope,” leading to that universe’s evaporation.

Another thing that irks me about the whole thing is that MILES IS LIKE 15-16 YEARS OLD. So as far as I'm concerned, O'Hara is trying to eliminate a KID. Even though he knows what it's like to lose a KID. No wonder the multiverse prevented him from being a father—he’s violent, unstable, and completely short-sighted. He’s out here chokeslamming a teenager and calling THEM the mistake. Just because you went through grief and trauma with your own children, it isn't an excuse to take the breath of another child. 

(Y'know, considering the events of Multiverse of Madness, I'm kinda seeing a pattern here--)

Miguel, for some reason, refuses to have a smidge of sensitivity for what Miles is going through. Heck, even Gwen and Peter Parker had more empathy for Miles despite them not telling him he wasn't supposed to be Spider-Man because they actually cared about his feelings TO SOME DEGREE.

I hate Miguel’s whole “You’re a mistake!” speech because Miles didn't create the spider. Miles didn't summon the spider. Miles didn’t choose to get bit. He didn’t find it on his own terms. Miles didn't choose to create Spot—the one who’s actually causing them problems. Someone ELSE brought the spider there. Someone ELSE took away a universe’s Spider-Man. Miles is just trying to deal with what he’s been given. So if Miguel wants to go after ANYONE for ‘anomalies’ in terms of Miles’ universe, he needs to track down the person who put something where it didn’t belong.

For crying out loud, he told the boy that HE was a mistake. It’d be one thing if he said “You being Spider-Man was a mistake” or something. But no. He says that Miles IS the mistake.

During that whole speech, it sounds like Miguel is trying to tell Miles that everything is HIS fault as if Miles had a choice in being bit. As if Miles even had a choice in the fact that a radioactive spider from an alternate universe chose to bite him. 

There were so many other ways Miguel could've handled the issue and he didn’t do that. I don’t care what his so-called intentions could/would be because it really put a disgusting taste in my mouth. 

I still have no respect for the fact that he hypocritically and previously invaded another reality where he was dead so he could be with his family--and here's what I mean by that.

Yes, I understand--Miguel's life on his original earth was freaking sad. He lost his wife and daughter. That's obviously a very tragic thing to go through. But it’s the fact that he's cracking down on Miles so badly despite Miguel LITERALLY being the one to pull a Kingpin vexes me. Miles had ALWAYS belonged to his universe. Miguel’s only in the dump he’s in because he was trespassing.

Don't get me wrong, I feel pity but I absolutely cannot stand the audacity of this man to go after a kid who got bit IN HIS OWN UNIVERSE even though Miguel was the one who contributed to some multiversal disaster in the Spider-verse. You could try to say, "Oh, it's because he doesn't want to make the same mistake again and shatter the Spider-verse or something!" While I could understand that, it’s still not a good reason for Miguel to do and say the stuff he did. I thought at the bare minimum, he'd be at least able to RELATE to Miles considering that he also lost people he cared about.

End conclusion: 

Miguel is vexing to me–but I don’t hate the way he’s written. If anything, I think if he wasn’t written this way, the ASTV movie would be very different. Whether that’d be for the better or the worse, I’m willing to bet most of this storyline wouldn’t even exist were Miguel not like this. So even though Miguel absolutely grinds my gears with his mindset and who he is as a character—I’m not mad at his writers. And I honestly feel like that’s just a showmanship of how great the writing for the Spider-Verse movies is. Good writing is when you’re mad at characters for the decisions THEY make, and not at the WRITERS for having them make those decisions. 

I’m out.

[kittyfletcher]

no miguel isnt ur misunderstood handsome uwu dad vampy nerd himbo, he is a deeply troubled impulsive and violent man that chooses to take his anger out on and project his issues onto literal kids, good intentions dont mean shit if ur out here chokeslamming 15 year olds and telling them they are mistakes.

[shiftingwithmars]

Hey by the way, Miguel is the original anomaly, NOT Miles

[illicthearts]

Am I supposed to feel bad for Miguel O’Hara? Because I don’t but I see other people feeling bad for him and I’m just like what?

[medusas-daughter]

I am so glad that Miles looked Miguel dead in the eyes and said "are you sure you're even a spider man?" because a/ after all the "Miles you don't belong you're an anomaly blah blah blah" he deserved it and b/ I know it hurt him and that guy needs to be humbled

[wakandamama]

Day 208 of wanting to beat Miguel O'Hara's ass.

[valengory1234]

So I don’t know Miguel O’Hara outside of the Spiderverse movies but I honestly fucking hate his character in Spiderverse. Like he’s a well written character but he’s a goddamn asshole all I know about this dude is that he wanted a happy family that for whatever reason he couldn’t get in his original universe and then, when given the opportunity replaces another version of him in another universe to have it he did that.

Like 1) why couldn’t he have that in his original universe? What was he doing wrong? What was going so wrong in his life that he couldn’t get married and have kids?

And 2) why do so many people act like he unfairly lost his family when that wasn’t actually even his family to begin with? Like this dude, kind of straight up, stole a family. He stole the role of a family man that had died. I don’t know if you like to pick pocket a dead body you see on the street, you’re still technically stealing, right? You feel?

I just feel like this version of Miguel was always a shitty dude and he’s just been reaping the consequences of his own shitty actions and then like projecting them onto others and it’s annoying to say the least.

[waluigis-biggest-fan]

I wanna kill Miguel O’ Hara.

I want to do intense bodily harm to my fellow Irishman.

This is the worst instance of “they’re hot so the fandom ignores their issues” I have ever seen.

[crypticallyqueer-yay]

Honestly I'm kinda glad Gabriela didn't have to grow up with Miguel as her dad because he sucks as a human being but as a parent?????? The way he treats literal children???? Death is better, poor girl.

[tainted-liquor]

I see gwiles fanart and I block the entire thread

[bennie-jerry]

My Beef with Miguel O'Hara Pt. 2 - A Spiderverse Rant

My goodness, I despise this guy so much I had to make a part two-

If you want the context, you’ll have to read part one because there ain’t no way in HECK I’m repeating myself when I already said everything else.

And once again, I don’t care that this guy has a truckload of simps—I’m gonna beef with this guy till the planet’s gone. And if you read part one, you'd know exactly why even if I do end up being wrong on the 2nd part of this take SPECIFICALLY. I do not care how bonito this man looks, he's major CACA.

Going back to addressing the next point, here’s something I gotta ask y’all:

Don’t you find it weird? Don’t you find it odd? Don’t you find it PECULIAR even... How the one guy constantly going on about the ‘traditional Spider-Man”  Is FAR from BEING the traditional Spider-Man concept?

Look, I am perfectly willing to accept that maybe (just MAYBE) there’s some lore I’m missing here (as I really hope and wish I'm wrong about this as stated in part one), but you can not tell me that he’s a traditional Spider-Man.

First and foremost, the guy has a different hand gesture for even shooting out his webs. He doesn't shoot them in the way Peter traditionally shoots them---no. He shoots them FROM THE UPPER TOP OF HIS WRIST.

And on top of that, the guy didn't even get bit by a spider. HE HAS POWERS BECAUSE HE INJECTS HIMSELF WITH A SERUM! The guy has FANGS that secrete POISON for crying out loud. Which, granted, is pretty cool, but not a 'traditional' Spider-Man.

What other Spider hero within the Spiderverse do you know ALSO acts like a freaking animal after taking their super-meds? NONE---that's some Bane from DC bullcrap.

Even in the gif provided, the guy doesn't look like he's sticking to walls---he looks like he's CLAWING into it in order to stay on it.

He. Doesn't. Even. Have. Spider Sense.

Yep, that's right. The one guy who's hell-bent on the concept of the canon Spider-Man, doesn't even have the STAPLE of the classic Spider-Man powers. Instead he just has 'enhanced eyesight.' Miss me with that bull---

Let's not even get down to the fact that this guy was able to actually have a wife and a kid at some point. That's WAY more than Peter Parker's ever been able to get throughout MOST of his traditional iterations (considering that for some reason it's a canon event for his uncle and/or girlfriend to LITERALLY keep on DYING).

Sure, you could argue that the colors of his Spidey-suit (blue and red) are reflective of the traditional Spider-Man concept, but even then, they're inverted where BLUE is his main color INSTEAD of red.

I have no problem with the fact he strays out of a 'traditional' Spider-Man archetype. My problem is that he fact he strays out of it but then has the NERVE to aggressively police everyone else on standards that he HIMSELF could/can not uphold.

This is why I am so proud of Miles for looking at this man straight in the face and saying, "Are you sure you're even Spider-Man?" Because there ain't no way in DOOKIE that THIS guy---who's so far from the traditional Spider-Man archetype, is the one who's the most obsessed with it.

There's no other way around it for me, this man is a cult leader and that's it.

[declanisms]

no implying it and putting it in the tags is not enough I need to speak my truth: miguel o’hara is fucking ugly

[shiftingwithmars]

”Miguel is just trying to stop millions of people from dying🥺”

You do realize stopping canon events will make people die, right? Literally thousands of spider-people will lose people, INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Bro is NAWT a good guy, stop acting like he is💀

[illicthearts]

If Peter 1, Peter 2 and Peter 3 where in Spider-Man Across The Spider-Verse they would shut Miguel’s little cult down right away BECAUSE WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?! I’m still so baffled and offended that all those spider people just accepted “canon” it’s not what Spider-Man is about

And that’s why Miles is better than all of them

And I’m not gonna lie, it kinda made me not like Peter B Parker

[medusas-daughter]

Why did I just realize that Miguel and Wanda have the same back stories, Miguel went to another universe to get a daughter, Wanda went to another universe to get her sons, the only difference being that Wanda actually experienced a pregnancy and her kids and subsequently the loss of them in Westview so she's actually experiencing real grief towards her sons, whereas Miguel was just universe hopping and saw one where his alter ego had a daughter waited for him to die and took his place. And while I'm not at all minimizing Miguel's later losses, the fandom's reaction to Miguel compared to Wanda infuriates me to no end. Miguel is a grieving father. Wanda is a crazy bitch and "the kids were never hers" and a villain. Fuck that.

"You do it and you're a hero, I do it and I'm a villain, that doesn't seem fair" is the line that keeps on giving