#Amity Park isn't a fan of Outside World

[satoshy12]

It took a while to notice, but Batman, like other heroes, noticed that there were fewer villains? So Batman tried to find out why, but in the end it was the Joker who told him.

The Joker:" Ah, I will not be a cheat like the rest, Batman. They found a new hero and moved on, but I stayed loyal". Batman learns that most of his not-so-evil villains have left their city to join the new hero.

+ Amity Park looked at the new people and just accepted them. They always had them in their city, from day one.

Danny likes to fight them! They're fun, and ironically, they make sure people don't get hurt when he fights Ghost.

+ The Rouge, like the little Hero. He has no idea about the outside world, which the town has made sure stays that way, and people treat him normally. Just don't attack them and we don't care about your past. Get a new job or not. Live well.

[ghosttrolls]

HI I Love your Posts about trollhunters and Danny Phantom.

they are things i gad trollhunters is different form Danny Phantom

Jim only date one girl and everyone agrees that she is the best Choice for him.

and the main creator isn't a Dick.

but my Question for is if Dash were to become Like Steve was Expose the Ghost world Just Like him how do you think would've involved and this Time his memory stays Like Jez did.

Hi, thank you! Before I say anything else I would like to clarify that while I spend a lot of time comparing themes between the two shows, I don't really feel like one could replace the other - they're both so unique in their execution! Honestly, all the characters in both shows have personalities that couldn't be copied over between the two without the status quo of each show drastically changing. I don't really think of Danny Phantom and Trollhunters in terms of "Danny and Jim are the same person," but more like "Danny and Jim experience things that are interesting parallels of each other and I like to explore those narrative parallels," which I can understand being a kind of complicated distinction.

There definitely is a thing with both of these shows where they pick sort of Traditional Character Roles to some extent, like The Bully, The Hero, The Best Friend, The Romantic Interest, etc. So thinking in terms like that, Dash and Steve do fill kind of similar roles in their shows. I am pretty sure that Dash knows ghosts exist by the end of the show, even if you're writing off Phantom Planet (the final episode that people like to ignore happened). There's an episode where all the adults in Amity Park are brainwashed to go on a "cruise" which ends up just being a way for some ghosts to use them as a power source - but because the adults are brainwashed, the kids are the ones that have to save them, and Danny uses his parents' ghost tech to work together with all the other kids to fight the ghosts. This includes Dash. They all fight ghosts on the deck of a pirate ship, and Dash and Danny stand back to back as Dash says, "When I wail on you tomorrow, I'll be wailing on a hero. But I will be wailing on you." At this point in the show, Dash and other people know about and are fans of Danny Phantom... I don't think his memory gets wiped of the incident, but Danny does get in trouble for using the tech without asking and that makes him "lame" again in the eyes of the other high schoolers. I think that's meant to be the show's explanation for why it doesn't get brought up again later.

I'd love to consider what would happen if Dash had actually been more active within the ghost fighting community - I'm pretty sure he's one of those people who thinks it's "weird," so he'd probably need some convincing. But it would be super interesting if he learned that Danny was Phantom and joined the team! I'm not the first person to say this, but still. It would be cool. I did really enjoy in Trollhunters when Steve and Eli had just formed Creepslayerz but they were trying to keep it on the down low, and acted comically to cover their tracks. I imagine Dash would have to do something similar to keep his jock friends in the dark about Danny's secret... In general, DP never really gave us that big of a look into what Dash's life is like outside of school, other than throwing a party when his parents aren't around. If he joined the team in some way we'd be able to see more of his backstory and he'd become a much more fleshed out character!

And I know you didn't ask for my opinion on this, but I do wish that Steve had more development after the end of Trollhunters and 3Below. Like, he stopped bullying Jim and Eli, he got a girlfriend - and now we learn he's really scared all the time! And they make him kind of like a knight in Wizards but he's still like, terrified of everything, and bad at very simple tasks to an almost annoying extent. It makes me wonder if the trio really explained very much to him, because we didn't see any explaining happen on screen... and then it felt like they were hinting that Steve would learn some cool stuff from Lancelot, but that never happened. And WHY didn't Aja WARN HIM that he could become pregnant like that! That was so out of the blue too. I really liked how they had Steve develop as a character over the course of Trollhunters, so when he kind of stopped changing for most of the other TOA content, I was a little sad.

I guess this is just an appreciation post for bully characters that decide to become nicer. They deserve more love, for sure.

[threewaysdivided]

So what we know so far is that the justice league as a whole never new about and ghost or the infinite realms, but did Constantine and other magic users now? Does Dr. Fate?

Those are some interesting questions!

And now, I'm afraid that in order to properly answer you I'm going to have to be a bit annoying.

Truth is, I'm one of those fanwriters who just... doesn't have consistent universal headcanons for a lot of things. There are some common headcanons I use to answer recurring questions (e.g. finding an explanation that accounts for both DP ghosts and DC ghosts in a crossover universe) but in a lot of cases the lore/theories I have about how the world of a specific story works will depend on how I need things to work to suit that specific story.

As for the explanations in Deathly Weapons:

When it comes to the League as a whole, you're completely correct. The standard headcanon I use is that portals to the Ghost Zone/Infinite Realms are very rare and unpredictable outside of a few hot-spot locations (Amity Park, the Bermuda Triangle etc.), which means that actual ghost sightings throughout history have been incredibly uncommon and easily confused with other paranormal/ magical occurrences or mixed in with urban myths/ folklore/ cryptid stories. Add to that a few... interested parties with a vested interest in keeping it that way and League was left with so few data points that no-one even realised there was a pattern until Phantom called Batman and Robin's attention to it.

With regards to Doctor Fate, my take (at least in the DW!Verse) is that the Lords of Order and Chaos are at least aware of the Ghost Zone as another dimensional plane. But since the residents aren't really involved in their conflict and the Zone itself is too big and varied (some areas ordered, some chaotic) to be useful in that conflict or worth the potential costs of aggravating them, they mostly just leave each other alone. I would expect that the average ghost would be more wary/hostile to the Lords than the other way around, since I usually go by the rule that magic is something that can affect them - which for a regular ghost means potentially enduring a very one-sided stomping before being forced into whatever humiliating/ condescending/ cruel situation the Lord feels like.

I also have the idea that Clockwork and Doctor Fate personally know/know of each other and have a kind of passive-aggressive grudging-respect working relationship on the rare occasions their paths cross (both seeing the other as a melodramatic interfering busybody), which isn't relevant to any story idea but I think is funny.

Now, as for Constantine and other magic users...

Let me answer your question with another question: Does John Constantine need to exist within the world of Deathly Weapons?

I swear this isn't meant to be condescending. It's just that I don't really see the point in explicitly including characters if they aren't actually going to interact with the plot/ lore/ character arcs of a story. I legitimately don't know whether Constantine exists in the DW-version of Earth 16 but it's kind of immaterial because as far as the plot of DW is concerned he never comes up. If you'd like to imagine that he does and he's too busy dealing with some unrelated side story of his own to show up then feel free. And if you don't want him there at all then feel free to imagine that too.

This is probably going to sound heretical to some comic books fans but I'm okay with each story being it's own separate thing, and I genuinely don't think it's necessary to for every DC character to exist in every story. In the 2004 Teen Titans Animated Series the Justice League never shows up and is barely mentioned outside of some indirect references. Most of the League (and Earthly heroes in general) are barely present in Green Lantern: The Animated Series. I'm fine with Batman: The Animated Series just dropping Jason and making Tim the second Robin because the writers couldn't/didn't want to/ didn't feel like including a version of Death in the Family as part of that story.

I'm fine with a story or series or show just exploring one character or team in one city and leaving it completely ambiguous whether the rest of the DCU is present in that world. It's also fine by me if a story is taking place in a universe where certain characters exist but never had a reason to become the heroes/villains they are in main continuity. I can accept a world where Harvey Dent became a (perhaps slightly intense) lawyer and nothing went wrong. I can accept a world where a character named Barbara Gordon exists but decided to become a librarian or a gymnast or a private investigator or what-have-you. I can accept a world where Barry Allen or Wally West is the first and only Flash. I can accept a world where Harleen Quinzel declines to apply to Arkham and instead takes work at a small clinic that the Batfamily interact with in passing. To me those are just fun Easter Eggs and if that's all the relevance they have to the story then that's perfectly fine.

I know I'm slowly becoming the sole occupant of the tiny Tumblr niche that is "complaining about scope management" but that's kind of where my brain goes; if a story element or character isn't contributing to the narrative relative to the amount of time/space they consume, then what's the point of having them there?  References and Easter Eggs are a lot of fun, but a collection of references and Easter Eggs does not a story make.

(It’s that “narrative efficiency” thing I keep banging on about.  If you explicitly add a character then you have to add in-universe reasons for why they aren’t participating in the story.  And then more reasons to justify why they don’t just solve the big plot conflicts that are more narratively interesting to have other cast members tackle, but which they would obviously be a better/ safer/ more effective solution to within the rules of their fictional world.  Adding the character means taking time away from the actual story to fix a problem that never needed to be caused in the first place.) 

There are other story concepts I've kicked around in my head where Constantine does exist and does interact with DP and other DC characters but even then, what his role is and how much he knows changes depending on what he needs to know to make that story work.

So I guess, TL:DR - in Deathly Weapons DP-style ghosts are mostly a mystery to the relevant characters, and for others who might exist "off-screen" it could simply be a field of science/magic/study that they aren't personally interested in pursuing.

Sorry for the unsatisfying and weaselly answer, but that's kind of the best I can give you on this one.