#Also they’re totally butch4butch
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teamfortresstwo · 1 year ago
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Im sorry 4 not answering ur asks Ive been sooo fucking busy lately but GOOODD GODDD. You just reminded me how much I LOVE. Jaisy. Its like nobody even cares about how Jon and her were eachothers only friend. Its like nobody even cares that they understood eachother. Its like they dont even care about "dont listen to the blood- listen to the quiet". Its like they dont even care that Jon's heart doesnt beat anymore so if she leaned her head aginst their chest it would be quiet. This too is yaoi
AHHHHHHHHHH❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️ TRUEEEEEEE❗️❗️❗️❗️ THAT IS YAOI ❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️
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apoptoses · 1 year ago
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Omg please don’t apologize for your answer to my genderbent ask!! I’ll admit that as a fellow butch it is really getting to me like…you get it. 
I also don’t really interact with a lot of lesbian media because it’s so sterilized. So often it seems that whoever wrote it was like sure we can have two women hold hands or peck on the lips as long as they’re feminine! As long as they don’t come off as *that* kind of lesbian. Butchness and lesbian masculinity are so often treated as dirty or not taken seriously which is really hurtful! 
And I completely agree that a lot of genderswaps rely so much on hyperfeminity. Slap a pair of boobs on a male character and give him long hair and make up and a feminine name like dude that’s a whole other character now 😭 (and I have to say that I hate it when characters are given silly versions of their names just to make it girlier like c’mon women with masculine/traditionally men names are hot!!)
Maybe it’s just me being butch4butch and projecting but butch!Daniel hits so hard for me like she is literally just canon Daniel to me but afab and how that would change her narrative. I oscillate so often on how I think Armand would be particularly because of his relationship with gender in the books. He’s androgynous but is that just because he didn’t fully mature? I feel like a lot of women are done growing by their late teens so would genderbent Armand be taller or have a different build because of that? It’s so fun to think about and I think she would play a lot with presentation in the 80s and be having gender talks along with the philosophical discussions with Daniel in that era.
Long story short I really love the gender aspect of genderswaps and masc women are so hot and like that is the appeal for me especially since we don’t get a lot of that! I really hope that it doesn’t seem like I’m talking over you or like pressuring you to write anything but I really connected with your response and if it’s something that you’re comfortable with I would really love to hear the angles that you’re thinking of!! <3
No you're not talking over at all! I was so verklempt by someone actually getting it that it took me a minute to answer lol
But exactly, either everything is sanitized ('aw lesbians love picnics and frogs and holding hands in their cottage core dresses!!') or the hyper femininity fetishized. Like I said in my tags, taking a cis man and making him a cis man who doesn't conform to gender stereotypes is no less of a gender swap. But like...society doesn't acknowledge butch/masc/studs, much less acknowledge that we can be attractive.
And YEAH like Daniel did so much solo travel, so much entering of spaces that might not be totally safe for a femme woman alone in the 70s so presenting more masc might be a safety net in a way. And like imagine Armand hearing this soft woman's voice on the tapes when entering Lestat's house but turning the corner and seeing someone like this-
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Like!!! Wow!!! Or even with an androgynous masculine shag like-
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And when Louis and Armand were together there's a big question of how much they were out in the world vs how Louis' grief kept them from fully entering and enjoying mortal spaces. So like Armand seeing women playing more with gender via clothing, the evolution of pants becoming acceptable for women to wear- would Armand have already embraced that, or by meeting Daniel would she feel free to play around with androgyny and masculine fashion more? I like to think it would be the latter, because their time together was such a period of exploration!
And you can also get into concept of being Other, with Daniel able to relate some way to Armand being othered as a vampire where she is othered as a gnc woman. There's just a lot to play with imo
So thank you SO SO MUCH for this message, it really felt good for me to read ♥ Lately I've had so much anguish over the way I am/attractiveness/getting people to respect boundaries, so it's nice to know someone out there gets it.
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kaijugroupy · 2 years ago
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hello! my name is damian-cupid or dc and I’m a 25 year old lesbian/butch-dyke
my pronouns: I go by he/him. I’m neutral towards they/them but will not be addressed as she/her. I like he/him the best because it aligns with my perception of myself and how I seek to be perceived by others. I’m weirdly alright with folks calling me ma'am (I live in the south, might be a respect thing) but otherwise not a fan of being referred to femininely. I don’t mind sir at all.
my gender: I’m butch, I’m a dyke, I’m a fag boy, I’m transmasculine, I’m stag, I’m two-spirit. I think of masculinity as an open thing. I find euphoria in all parts of the spectrum. I suppose I’m non-binary but I honestly am pretty neutral towards the word. The concept of just existing as a person, not on either side is way more appealing. It’s just sort of a nebulous feeling for me that I haven’t found the right label for. I don’t believe butch or bull-dyke means rigidity in apparel, hair length, or attitude. I enjoy applying makeup, I like wearing earrings and tons of jewelry and feel personally more euphoric embracing these things. I like, but am not restricted to “masculine” apparel. I wear what I want and express how I want and all of it is masculine because it comes from me. I think we all have a story to write within our expression, and this is mine.
my attractions: I only seek to have romantic/sensual/sexual relationships with other trans-masculine folks or butches/bull dykes. If you’re a masc dyke, you’re probably my type, plain as that. (aside from personality and all) I experience every type of attraction to masculine folks but am not usually inclined/interested in sexual encounters. I figure I’m demi-sexual and have pretty specific terms about who I’ll actually engage in stuff like that with. I’m not even fully sure myself (it’s pretty rare and it creeps up on me lol.)  I consider myself stone and not usually comfortable with folks touching me unclothed and directly. I’ll give you consent to do so. Those who know me physically know where they stand.
I’m aesthetically attracted to femmes but that honestly doesn’t go very far. I’m not romantically inclined in that direction and am not comfortable with folks asking me if they’re “too femme for me to like” or if they’re “too femme to do (insert action)” with. I’m totally open to and enjoy having femme friends but am un-wanting of romantic/sexual/sensual feminine attention. I only mention this because often times when I express a sentiment in regards to being strictly butch4butch and only wanting to engage on that level with other bull-dykes, femmes message me asking if we can engage in said action like I haven't already drawn a clear boundary line.
Random stuff about me: I like metal,punk-rock, dad rock, screamo. I love reading, writing fic. I have an a03 (doggydenturez) and I post some of my works. I do beadwork. I collect antlers and pine-cones. Currently obsessed with Beastars the manga/show. I like painting when I have the time. I’m obsessed with stickers. I like running for fun/fitness/ but also when I’m antsy or stressed as well as weight training. I am Afro-Colombian, African American or Black, and Afro-Indigenous. I am obsessed with stickers. I love making friends and making genuine connections. I don’t think people have to be perfect or unproblematic, I’m pretty non-judgemental. Just be honest and we’ll get along fine.
Thanks for reading!
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redheadbigshoes · 2 years ago
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I've always felt that butch/femme as "masculine" and "feminine" was often pretty heteronormative honestly, I've always felt that they're both just different expressions of womanhood, the idea that butches are just performing manliness rather than just being s different expression of womanhood, and even that butches and femmes are just supposed to be together as like a masc/fem thing, has always bothered me.
Like we're all lesbians and all related in some way to womanhood so describing a big section of us as just doing masculinity instead of realizing that femininity and womanhood aren't a single expression or just doing woman or doing man always seemed odd. Maybe it's just nitpicking.
I think there’s a big difference on saying butches are performing manliness to say they’re performing masculinity. To say they’re performing manliness you’re directly relating them with men, but masculinity isn’t inherently for men. I guess to not fall into that “this is for men” or “this is for women” mindset when it comes to masculinity and femininity we should just come up with better terms that don’t relate the way you perform yourself and your gender/sexuality with a specific gender.
When I talk about heteronormativity regarding that I’m not saying (as a lot of people just assume) that every butch4femme or every femme4butch are heteronormative, I’m saying some people’s minds are rooted in heteronormativity to think femme4femme or butch4butch is not as real and valid as other preferences. Because whenever I see someone criticizing one of those two I just know they don’t seem to think it’s possible for someone masculine to like another masculine person or someone feminine to like another feminine person.
I also appreciate you not being a total asshole lol this is the kind of person is nice to have a discussion with, because we’re both being respectful.
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toadsrbutch · 4 years ago
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would you say lesbians who are “exclusively femme4femme” shouldnt call themselves femme? (no need to answer this if think it’ll start something, i was just curious bc i know butch4butch is a thing but i feel like femme4femme isnt? am i being unfair to femmes here? if so i wanna change my views asap bc i love femmes w all my heart but like considering our history it just feels wrong to see femmes who r Exclusively 4femme (im butch btw))
hey, this is just my gut feeling and I’m totally open to thoughts from other people but yeahhh... I’m totally not going to judge femmes who date other femmes or nonaligned lesbians but if they’re not into butches AT ALL then it’s a little uncomfy for me personally. this is just a small observation and not a cover all but a lot of people who identify as femme4femme haven’t been great about butches and spread the idea that we’re men lite™ and inherently toxic. so I’m a little weary of people who identify themselves as solely femme4femme.
I think it also heavily comes from the bastardization of femme and how it just is taken to mean ~feminine~ so as sad as it is, I’m weary when it isn’t used alongside butch because I don’t know how they feel about me and other butches. and I know that isn’t anyone’s fault but that’s just the reality. I hope that helps some and I’m open to other people’s thoughts.
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Episode 6: Beyond the Wall
Well that was depressing. Game of Thrones has been building its lush crenellated plots-and-characters-and-places edifice towards a zenith for so many seasons and books and decades, but, now it’s wandering off the battlements and in the freefall of internet-pleasing fanfic: #stillrunning #dontcallmedany #thinkofthechildren #jonaerys
Anyway I am too moist for analysis so see the LARB’s recaps for all the insight you’ll need, I’m just going to gush right Scene One: looks cold there m’boys, nice glacier, cute wildlings you’ve got there, or are they dothraki in wildling coats?
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Doesn’t really matter, they’re just there to leap into frame just in time to catch the enemy’s death blow that for a second there we thought might get a named character. Now this is completely fine because look there’s an explanation all these guys have been saved from death, in five cases by or in circs relating to the Lord of Light, so what you have to understand here is that it’s only unnamed, winter-hat-wearing nobodies who get killed because they don’t have magic backup to save them from death, that’s why all that okay. So that’s fine but why are they up there sshh
Oh the Big Woman + Tormund haha, look we appreciate that unwomanly women can be attractive too, ahaha, #wokeGoT #butch4butch cuuute
ZOMBIE ICE BEAR haha wow holy fuck why did you say you were up here again sshh
Oh yeah before that Scene Two: Arya is a misogynist now. See this is how it works: individual women can break away from the patriarchy by e.g. attending assassin college and becoming face-stealing badass stonecold killers, but, then when they meet up with their sister fresh out of a rape-n-domestic-abuse shaped character arc, busy building relationships and getting grain stores together and socially reproducing the north / the first line of defence against the armies of death, they don’t necessarily have anything invested in the sisterhood any more, because they pursued their dreams by embracing masculinity, which is totally cool if that’s your jam you do you, but, just because you’re not like all the other girls doesn’t mean you get to be a misogynist towards them. “I’m just like a boy and even got dad’s approval for being a boy and got to be a boy by being better at being a boy than all the boys, which was really hard and involved surviving lots of abuse and trauma, but I survived and overcame because I’m a boy, whereas you just sit around looking pretty, you fucking little slut,” explains Arya, and instead of saying, “shut the fuck up you sexist idiot and recognise that I’ve had my own fucking character arc too and it took me from being fanunfave unwoke stupid femme to being #queeninthenorth #sansasnark, and as Sarah in LARB explains, wielding feminine power of the kind both you and the showrunners fail to really understand / deal with, because you think you’re feminists but you can’t any of you imagine what feminine power looks like without recoiling and calling us, me Cersei and Cousin D, mad power-crazed bitches who need Jon, Jaime or Tyrion to wind us back” - instead of saying that, Sansa kind of shrugs and looks scared, while Littlefinger, of whom these zany girlies are his jerking marionettes, looks on.
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Scene Three: herooooes zomg bear, &c, also Beric faithsplains Jon’s already existing Protector of The Realms of Men and Their Brimming Knickers values to him/us. D’awww <3
Scene Four: Oh but yeah before the bear Daenerys is like heroes are stupid, let’s not be heroes, let’s be cool and Tyrion is like great perfect well let’s get drafting the new Broken Wheel westerosi democracy constitution and Daenerys is like DON’T WAKE THE DRAGON IN MY BRIMMING KNICKERS BITCH, IT’S NO PHALLUS BUT IT DOES SPIT FIRE, and Tyrion is like sigh is it that time of the month.
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Scene Five: ZOMG BEAR
Scene Six: Littlefinger: “Brienne is here to protect you and Arya turn to her for advice sweet Sansa about how to manage this unfortunate turn of events re your violent compassionless shell of a sister you always hated”, Sansa: “hmm yes Brienne Arya’s only friend sworn to protect her yes interesting thanks L my mistrust in you is forgotten”
Scene Seven: lol our drunk heroes #justthedrunkest cool the Lord of Light has arranged for there to be just the right mini group of wights and White Walker for us to learn about the kill-the-one-who-turned-them thing, but he didn’t turn the one for our bag, great great great, #mission #accomplished #bagitandlegit, but wait, there’s more plot to be done! The Lord of Light directs the band of heroes to a rock in an ice lake for them to hide out from a bit of the army of the dead on (the bit sans the giants, mammoths, Thenns, other beastlies from beyond the wall etc) and scowl at the Night King and come up with a cute #forkintheroad of the otherwise ramrod straight and true hurtling plot javelin we’re all riding atop nowadays: what if Beric and Jon, because they’re both immortal but don’t want to be, ran over to the Night King for a heroic Lord of Light sponsored Last Stand and took him (kill him and you kill all of them!!!!!) down with them!!! No but we’ve got one episode and one season left to go. Don’t worry though Gendry, the raven and Daenerys will only be 3 shakes of a lamb’s tail, and heroes don’t die of exposure, cept the least important one.
Scene Eight: Bye Brienne, girls don’t get to have friends ;D. But don’t worry babe you can totally advance Jaime’s choozy the floozy character arc while you’re down there, because what else are we bitches here for lol
Scene Nine: Daenerys seriously you’ll feel better tomorrow when your pmt breaks!! Hormones can make you so emosh that you’re willing to sacrifice potentially your own life and that of all 3 dragons to rescue your crush from the death errand I told you to send him on!! Don’t worry Tyrion, u know we’re v unlikely to die in the penultimate episode of the penultimate season ;D
Also (and this is a legitimate point): Do you think I got this fit-and-flare white power (oops) fur coat made for nothing
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Scene Ten:
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Well I guess in a way this wasn’t TOTALLY one for the fans because we’ve all been screaming BBQ THE DEAD at our laptops since S01E10, and turns out that is only a limitedly efficacious / actually counterproductive plan bcs of zombie ice dragon possibilities. DON’T WORRY THOUGH GUYS if Jon Snow can survive being actually dead he can totally survive drowning in icy waters while being attacked by zombies and then climbing out of an ice pool in a blizzard!! How likely is it really that the Night King riding over the Wall on an ice dragon is going to freeze the world to death given the good grace of R'Hllor?  
Right this bit with Benjen: what happened was Bran the Three-Eyed raven summoned him, like he also did last season. Everything that happened beyond the wall totally had a plottight explanation, apart from the issue of why any of it happened in the first place, beyond plot advancement, which is only resolvable by our indomitable wills as undying fans #therealarmyofthedead
Did you think that Jon’s jerky zomboid motion when he clambered freezing out from under the ice meant he was a wight now too?? Me either haha
Scene Eleven: Sansa gets an inkling of just how strong Arya’s death magic is, but because both girls are being juggled between the triple hands of trauma, Littlefinger, and internalised misogyny, the Queen in the North receives this only as a bloodchilling threat, which is also is from Arya’s perspective too.
Scene Twelve: Jon, naked, calls Daenerys Dany (blunder) and My Queen (winner), they unite against the Night King and not this time but v soon doubtlessly, with their genitals. All this transpires very aptly aboard a ship.
Scene Thirteen: Teams of wights drag up from beneath the ice the real reason why Jon and Jorah needed to go up beyond the wall in the first place: the Night King’s new dragon. Zoinks!
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