#Also it's deeply funny to me that Rhaenyra was the cause of the law being changed even further

[b-rainlet]

HOW can you introduce the Targaryens as a lizard commanding ubermensch power love triangle ready to conquer the world and never again entertain the idea of sibling polyamory!! GRRM had so many opportunities to outdo himself and write some fucked up sibling incest polycube full of jealousy, murder, deceit, manupilation and he MISSED. Smh i hope when f&b 2 comes out he will be enlightened and have good christian boy Baelor I keep his sisters locked up in the tower as his little depraved sex slaves ❤️ keep the repressed catholic guilt and monstrous depravities alive in this family tree

I can't make any super convincing points here because it's been way too long since I read any of the books, but I am pretty sure the Targaryens swore off of Polyamory to ensure that the Faith of the Seven would accept/endorse them as rulers of Westeros - since they're a pretty big deal and their support is immensely important.

So it was either that or get rid of the incest and since the Targaryens are Grrm's version of Nazis, they gotta ensure their blood remains pure and 'supreme'.

That aside, I do think a lot of them mourn the freedom of getting to marry several of their siblings - especially the Greens are a codependent bunch and would've loved being the poly incest monstrosity we know they are <3.

(Idk if Mother/Son incest was a thing with the Targs but Aegon is in mourning everyday because he can't have his mother be his second wife, he told me himself).

Me, googling Baelor Targaryen: Oh, okay, married to his sister but not interested in fucking her??? Deeply religious boy?? I can't really see why you would want to-

Me, finding out about the Maidenvault: Oh OKAY?????

What the fuck Baelor??? One of your sisters was eleven when you imprisoned her, what kinda lustful thoughts did she entice???

(Also deeply obsessed with Rhaena being the one sister to be the most perceptible to her Brother's sway, just saying👀👀👀)

[lemonhemlock]

I saw a comment that really hit the nail on the head regarding a lot of the fandom in both ASOIAF/HOTD spaces. Basically, this comment said that a lot of Dany/Rhaenyra/Targ stans don't understand that targ women can both be oppressed and also oppressors. They literally view Westeros in this lens that the Worst Thing That Can Ever Happen to someone is misogyny, and yes GRRM's ahistorical levels of misogyny imbued in his work don't help here, and that nothing else can come close lol. They don't really get class dynamics, lesser nobles, etc. When you're the crown princess of the realm you have immense power, but also responsibility which, yes, includes not openly cuckolding your spouse and having obvious bastards you try to put into the succession lol. They very much think that every targ women could do whatever she wanted with her immensely privileged and pampered position as a royal and if anyone says anything, well, it's misogyny. It's a deeply unannounced, ahistorical way to look at this series.

Your comment in one of your other anons where you said 'are you really sexually liberated if you are causing pain to others in your vicinity' was funny to me because targ stans unironically would say 'yes.' They are stuck in this modern sensibility that romantic/sexual freedom is the number one civil liberty and anything a character does in pursuit of it is fine, even at the expense of others, and if anything bad happens as a result, well that's just the Patriarchy's fault. It's a fundamental difference in thinking that I don't think can ever be bridged because they are incapable of not projecting modern values. They truly believe that targ women can be privileged, pampered, politically and socially powerful, yet not be beholden to any of the traditions, duties, or responsibilities even with the most, like, basic decorum expected of royal and any calling out of this behavior is just misogyny lmao.

It's just so stupid lmao. Imagine if people had said that Queen Elizabeth II, one of the most rich, powerful, and privileged women in the world for literal decades was 'oppressed' because she couldn't have obvious affairs or take official mistresses or boytoys and have bastard children like her male forefathers did and blame that on misogyny lmao. It's literally the same thought process but these people cannot put two and two together if their lives depended on it.

^^^^ you did it, anon. you condensed targ stans to their essence 😅

some of them act as if being monarch should mean doing exactly what you want at all times and any kind of suggestion that immense privilege comes at the price of great responsibility automatically translates to misogyny. god forbid we put some restriction on "absolute power" and make it less absolute.

also in regards to sexual freedom and their inability to imagine a life without it. you live in the 21st century!! not only that you have recognised rights enshrined by law, but you also have modern medicine!! you have antibiotics, contraceptives, safe abortion, emergency services, surgeons, you can book an appointment with a doctor if you're feeling unwell etc. look me in the eye and tell me that if all of those were taken away overnight you'd continue to be your sexually liberated self and risk dying painfully of an STD in the name of love.

of course there are religious and sexist dimensions to restricting women's sexuality, there is no point in pretending otherwise, but who would really want their spouse to risk infecting them with whatnot in the name of sexual freedom? it's equally unhelpful in pretending there's not an aspect of public health in encouraging behaviours like chastity, monogamy and being faithful to your spouse.

again, this is not to say that it was all good and proper to be like that and what a time of pure morals we left behind in the olden days. it's to say that those times truly sucked for a lot of people, sometimes because of reasons they had no control over, and that they often had to choose between options that all sucked in some way