#Adopted Son of Firestar and cat married to Brightheart

[frostfour]

I am not a writer but everyday I want to write a Cloudtail POV one off about the Frostflower AU.

[canon-notcanon-warriorcats]

What’s a canon warrior cat couple that the fandom loves but you personally dislike/could never get into?

this is actually a really interesting question since i feel like the fandom dislikes... MOST of the canon couples LMAO or are very split on them, and the ones people DO like (cloudtail x brightheart, firestar x sandstorm, etc) i usually also like lol

i don't know if the fandom LOVES tree x violetshine, but i've never seen anyone really dislike the ship either and i... i don't like the ship lmao, like at all, like they're kind of cute in the broken code and if that had been the only thing i had read about them then i'd probably like it, but...

i don't really care about tree as a character, just in general, for some reason i just cannot get myself to care about him, like he SHOULD be interesting and neat, but for some reason i find him not BORING, but uninteresting, maybe BECAUSE of how uninterested HE is in the clans, it's only when he's actually invested in anyone or anything (like how he was invested in helping and protecting his son and family in tbc) that i become more interested in him

but more than that though... him getting with violetshine just feels really forced and... weird... like tree was an ADULT who met her MOTHER while she was pregnant with her and pebbleshine was like "i feel like our destinies are intertwined" and it's like, yeah, he's gonna help your unborn daughters see you and then marry one of them, he also helped needletail, essentially violetshine's foster/adopted mother/sister, when she was an apprentice and he was AN ADULT

like, we don't know how much older he is than her exactly, but i think when tree's roots came out i was able to estimate that he was probably roughly about the same age as pebbleshine was when they met, which pebbleshine was very young when she had her kits, probably only like less than a year and a half or around that age, which normally that age gap wouldn't really be that weird or bad, ESPECIALLY since they technically met when they were adults, but the fact that tree was just so... involved and intertwined with violetshine's mother and foster/adopted mother/sister and then he was like "oh i am in love with the child of the mother i helped keep safe before she gave birth to said child" is so

WEIRD to me??

[blorboclaw]

Fiddling around with the idea of a Richard III!wc au, with the Tigerkin as the Lancaster and the Firekin as the York (or maybe the contrary?)

A few things would change obviously like the dynasty side of Thunderclan and/or Shadowclan would be stronger and the characters themselves changing a bit.

This far my notes are:

Lionblaze as Edward of York, Hollyleaf as George of Clarence and Jayfeather as Richard of Gloucester, OR Dawnpelt as Edward, Flametail as George and Tigerheart as Richard. Possible other three-siblings litters accepted.

Doing it with DawnFlameTiger is even more interesting given that George dies drowned, like Dawn and Flame both.

But then we need "Edward" to have kids, so maybe Tigerheart as Edward, Dawnpelt as George and Flametail as Richard?

Let's say it's TigerDawnFlame we chose, Tawnypelt makes a great Lady Cecily, cursing the child who brought doom on her own linage.

Then who is Anne Neville though? she needs to be the widow of a Lancaster prince and daughter in law of a lancaster king. I'd go with Brightheart, and make Cloudtail Firestar's adopted son instead of nephew, and possibly deputy. But then Flametail x Brightheart?? It's best if "Richard" and "Anne" are around the same age.

If we don't go with Tigerkin in Shadowclan we can go with Fire and Tiger in Thunderclan.

What about Cinderheart as lady Cecily, and three of her kits as Edward, George and Richard? Fernsong, Hollytuft and Sorrelstripe? Given the cultural differences between medieval england and current warrior cats, we can have a gender swap for some characters.

Or or or... LionHollyJay as EdwardGeorgeRichard, and then Cinderheart becomes Edward's widow. That being said, it feels slighty out of character for Jayfeather to kill his whole family in order to become leader (yeah yeah it feels ooc for all the other cats i listed i know).

Going back to Shadowclan...

What about a Wish and Hope survived AU? Brokentail becomes Richard and when Raggedstar dies, leaving the "throne" to Wishflight, Brokentail starts pitting her against Hopesong... but it would requite too many OCs.

or...

well actually "or" i just don't keep the family links exactly the same. Avoids the borderline incest (Richard trying to marry his own niece to secure his claim to the throne, for example, only "borderline" incest because it doesn't happen)

What about Ferncloud's line are the Lancaster? Whitewing becomes Lady Anne Neville, whose husband (Birchfall) and father in law (Dustpelt) were killed by Richard during the war. But if Whitewing is Anne Neville, I can't use the Firekin as the York because she's part of it.

So Tigerkin go.

Bramblestar as Richard III? Tawnypelt as George of Clarence and Hawkfrost as Edward? Except it would be weird to have Bramblestar be the impostor and Hawkfrost the rightful king.

Then why not Hawkfrost, the runt of the siblings (because he's not from the OG tiger line?) as Richard and Bramblestar as Edward.

YES!! It makes sense because then Edward's Widow is Squirrelflight and SHE HAS TWO SONS AND A DAUGHTER LIKE IN RICHARD III (counting the 3 as her kids even if they're not because it's already complicated enough) (although Richard did get rid of his nephews by pretending they were bastards, which here would be kinda true...)

But then the ships it gives us...

Hawkfrost x Whitewing. Attempted but foiled Hawkfrost x Hollyleaf. And then Hollyleaf marries Henry Tudor, who would then be... Foxleap? gotta check the family tree real quick.

look it's perfectly simple

ok it's not.

"hey wanna make a crossover between a play inspired by real historical events and warrior cats?"

"idk warrior cats' family tree is pretty complicated."

"haha don't worry the war of the two roses too."

will update you on my further thoughts.