#*thinks about clone dialect mando'a* *thinks about clone dialect mando'a*

[direwolfrules]

Here, have some random Satine Rambles

I like to take a lot of the fandom misconceptions about Satine and the New Mandalorians and headcanon them as in-universe Death Watch propaganda.

Like the idea that Satine banned Mando'a. This is a weird one to me. So, Mando'a script is all over the place in Sundari. It's on the police speeders, it's on signs, it's on the wall of the Cadet Squad's dorm room, all of which is official government property and would have been some of the first places to have Mando'a removed if the ban was an actual thing. Also, Satine speaks Mando'a and Concordian (the dialect from Concordia and in Legends Concord Dawn). We as the audience don't see her speak Mando'a often because when she appears she's usually either:

1) Talking to someone whose primary language is Basic.

or

2) In a setting where slipping into Mando'a to talk to one person would be seen as undiplomatic at best.

Also, we as the audience don't primarily speak Mando'a, a fictional language with massive gaps in the canon vocabulary, and why would the Clone Wars crew put effort into translating a bunch of conversations into Mando'a for a kids show. They barely had an animation budget, you really think they had the money and time to translate politics into kid/teen-friendly language and then translate that into Mando'a?

Also, Pre Vizsla doesn't speak Mando'a in the show. I don't think he even says a single Mando'a word, which is less than what Satine says.

Or, the idea that Satine banned beskar armor. Here's the thing about armor, based a bit on real-life history. Armor is expensive. Especially well-forged armor. Especially well-forged armor made of a rare, extremely valuable metal with important cultural significance. And if centuries of strip mining depleted the supply of that already very rare metal, and damaged the ecosystem enough that mining it was banned? Well, now the price is at a point where anyone who isn't a noble or exceedingly wealthy can't afford new beskar. Even then, most noble families passed on their beskar through the generations, partly because of legacy and religion and also partly because obtaining new beskar was already ruinously expensive unless you took it from an enemy in war, which would have been ruinously expensive in other ways.

The fact that we barely see anyone wear beskar in Sundari isn't indicative of a ban on beskar armor, it means armor isn't a practical or attainable expense for the average citizen of Sundari. Sundari was a city at peace, before Sidious' plots and Vizsla's attacks. There was no need for anyone but the Mandalorian Guard to wear armor. Does a midlevel office worker need to wear armor to go about his job? Does a retail employee need the weight of beskar plate in addition to whatever stock they have to shelve? Unless you were a member of the warrior caste, which was primarily made up of nobles who either already had or could afford new beskar, you didn't need to be constantly armored.

And since we're talking about armor, the next logical misconception to discuss is the "weapons ban" that keeps getting brought up in every single "Satine Bad" fanfiction ever. When we first meet Satine, there is no weapons ban. Carrying weapons in a city at peace like Sundari is probably frowned on the same way carrying weapons on Coruscant's upper levels is frowned upon (if you're not Padme "Constantly-dodging-assassination-attempts" Amidala that is). It's a case of why would the average citizen need to carry a weapon, not them not being allowed to.

The first and only mention of a weapons ban in the show is when Ahsoka is welcomed to Sundari in "The Academy". Everyone's least favorite corrupt worm-man Almec says that after the trouble surrounding Master Kenobi's last visit, offworlders can't bring weapons into Sundari. It's literally just a ban for offworlders, which is reasonable when you figure out most of the terrorist group threatening to destroy your hard-fought peace and overthrow your government is based off-world.

And like, we see Mandalorians carry weapons. Satine has her deactivator, which we know from the actions of Rush Clovis and Lolo Purs can be a lethal weapon if used against organics. We see the Mandalorian Guards carry stun batons and shields, and some, like Captain Patrok Ru-Saxon, carried blasters to use as a last resort option. The Protectors, who at this point were Satine's bodyguards, had blunt-tipped spears that, judging by how they could be used to block blaster bolts during the warehouse raid in "Corruption", were probably made of beskar. Also in that same warehouse raid we see the Guard use flamethrowers.

Another common misconception is that Satine is opposed to any kind of violence, even in self-defense. This is not true.

As stated above, Satine carries a deactivator, a weapon primarily used to disable droids, but by its very nature of being a weapon designed to output high-level energy blasts can be lethal to organics. When she's using her deactivator she tells Obi-Wan, "Just because I'm a pacifist doesn't mean I won't defend myself".

And this is true. If Satine was so opposed to violence that she wouldn't fight back if threatened, she either would have died on the Coronet or been taken captive by the Separatists. She would have been killed back during the first confrontation with Vizsla, or during the arc on Coruscant. She would not have taken part in the warehouse raid. Satine was not opposed to violence in self-defense, she was opposed to violence as the first option and lethal violence as anything but a last resort.

One of the only times Satine doesn't fight back is when Pre Vizsla and his Death Watch soldiers invade the palace during the coup. If she had fought back, she would have given Vizsla exactly what he wanted: evidence of her betraying her ideals just when her people needed them the most, and an excuse to kill everyone on her side of the throne room. Satine made a choice to let herself be captured in order to spare as many lives as she could. And the minute she has a chance to escape, she takes it.

Then there's the common fandom idea that Satine is destroying Mandalorian culture, which is just ridiculous. Culture is more than just martial abilities and rigid clan hierarchies. It's food, art, clothing, language, etc. Satine telling her people they're not allowed to kill and bomb each other indiscriminately and empowering a central government over the hereditary clan-based caste system is not destroying Mandalorian culture, it's trying to save Mandalorian culture. After all, who'll be left to practice their traditions, to speak their language and sing their songs, if they wipe themselves off the face of the galaxy?

Mandalore had been jumping from one massive civil war to the next for generations, not to mention the wars against outside powers like the Republic. These are massive depopulating events. Each successive war does more and more damage to the planets in the Mandalorian sector. Mandalore went from a lush jungle to a desert. Concordia was nearly entirely deforested. A third of Concord Dawn is rubble drifting through space.

Satine made decisions that, until the machinations of the Sith, brought a level of prosperity and growth to Mandalore that it hadn't seen in living memory. The forests of Concordia were growing again. Trade was beginning to flow. Her people were happy and not constantly fearing war if one of the Houses took offense to something another one did.

Satine encouraged and promoted the aspects of Mandalorian culture outside of the martial domain. She was a patron of Mandalorian artists, and favored geometric designs and art styles, something that most Mandalorians also enjoyed. Her personal yacht was designed to display Mandalorian goods to representatives of other sectors/governments/galactic powers in order to promote trade and encourage a demand for Mandalorian goods. Her iconic dress with the massive headdress is meant to look like a mythosaur, with her earrings serving as the tusks.

She had that classic Mandalorian love for children. The only times we've ever seen her come close to compromising her principles was when children were threatened. When Mandalorian children were being poisoned by black market tea, she threatened the school's superintendent with violence. She was so enraged by the senseless deaths of many of the poisoned children she ordered the warehouse the black market goons had set up in burned down. When Almec went to torture Korkie and his friends she almost gave in to his demands, despite not cracking when she herself was under torture.

And New Mandalore in general was not a society built on cultural genocide like so many people in this fandom like to claim. In New Mandalorian Society a traditional kar'ta was present on many buildings, clothing (there are like five on the Academy's uniforms), and even hairstyles. Sundari's architecture was filled with geometric buildings that only really differed from the Clan Wren stronghold in height and number of turrets.

The real major difference between New Mandalorian culture and the old ways is those not of the noble, warrior caste had much less political power under the old system. New Mandalorian society is committed to peace, because many New Mandalorians are everyday individuals who now get a say in a diplomatic government instead of watching their system get crushed under leaders who only need to know how to fight well. Farmers don't have to worry about their local lord and his dumbass kid pissing off the neighboring lord, leading to a war that burns their fields and orphans their children. Business owners and employees don't have to worry about losing their shops/factories/office spaces in constant bombings.

Speaking of New Mandalorian society, another common misconception I see is people claiming Satine/New Mandalore was racist because it's all white blondes and brunettes. So like, that was a bad design decision by the Clone Wars crew, who wanted to make Mandalore look like space Scandinavia, and it's compounded by the reuse of models and assets. Korkie's class at the Academy has three groups of identical triplets. The crowds of Mandalorian citizens have so many repeated models, hairstyles, and the like, that there are more identical individuals there than on Kamino. The explanation there isn't "Satine is racist", it's "Cartoon Network gave them zero animation budget". Mandalore only got more diverse after Filoni got called out for it and had the budget and opportunity to fix it, which happened after Satine's rule ended.

Also, I see a lot of people taking the word of Death Watch members, children of Death Watch members, and Death Watch-aligned groups as gospel when it comes to Satine. Like, holy unreliable narrator Batman! If the person criticizing Satine is a member of the terrorist group dedicated to her death, a child of one of those terrorists who has probably been indoctrinated in Satine hate from day one, or a member of one of the splinter factions of that terrorist group, they're probably just a little bit biased, ya know? Satine's people genuinely loved her, Pre Vizsla had to stage elaborate schemes with Sith backing to sway the people's support away from her.

Oh, and people like to say that Satine was a bad leader/bad politician because she "left Mandalore weak" and "wouldn't join the Clone Wars". Which is just— did we watch the same show?

Joining the Clone Wars would have been Bad with a capital B. Palpatine wanted a Grand Army of the Republic presence on all the major worlds to facilitate his takeover when the time for Order 66 came. Mandalore was a priority target, remember when he doctored that footage of Satine's Deputy Minister to get the Senate to vote on sending troops?

Mandalore was along the Hydian Way, a major hyperspace route that was the site of frequent conflict. Mandalore's place on the Hydian Way, if they had joined either the Republic or the Separatists, would have made it and its vassal worlds battlefields. It would have devastated the hesitantly recovering Mandalorian people and the even more hesitantly recovering ecosystems of the planets.

Mandalore's position along the Hydian Way also meant that for some trade goods it depended on the CIS and for others it depended on the Republic, so committing to one side or the other would have made the already dangerous black market situation during the war even worse. What Satine did by declaring Neutrality and forming the Council of Neutral Systems was protect the interests of her people and form a voting block to prevent those interests from being trampled over.

Even with all its problems, Mandalore under Satine was strong, just going through issues many other worlds underwent during the war. Death Watch was a relatively new problem, as Pre Vizsla and his followers only got up the guts to act when their Sugar Daddy Dooku gave them Separatist backing. The food shortages were directly tied to the war disrupting the major trade route Mandalore depended on. Corruption amongst members of the government was a plot point in half the episodes of the show.

Mandalore only fell because Satine fell. Satine kept the war away from Mandalore as much as she could. Sideous couldn't get troops onto Mandalore while Satine was alive. With the exception of the very vocal Death Watch minority, the people were united behind her. It was only by running false flag operations with Maul's Shadow Collective that Death Watch was able to generate enough support to stage a coup. A coup that involved killing any government officials and trained warriors who refused to forswear their loyalty to the Duchess, thus robbing Mandalore of a considerable number of possible defenders and the people who knew how things ran and where the paperwork was filed.

If it wasn't for Vizsla's coup, and Maul's second secret coup, there would have been no need for Republic troops at the Seige of Mandalore, because there would have been no Seige of Mandalore. But there was, and Mandalore fell to the Empire. Which led to more internal Mandalorian on Mandalorian violence, which killed even more warriors. Which paved the way for the Night of a Thousand Tears.

[spokewar]

"I . . ." He paused for longer than would normally be considered appropriate, eyes widened and studying. Obi-Wan wasn't surprised with how quickly he'd been forgiven, but the grace in which the good captain gave it. "Vor entye." He spoke quickly as if Fordo would take it back (and to, perhaps, hide the pompous dialect of his Mando'a that people outside of Sundari loved to scrutinize).

It took noticeable effort, but he resisted the urge to offer another bow and instead took the offered hand, shoulders tensing at the touch.

"And I think I am beginning to understand that." It was foolish to have thought any differently when just about every member of the Ghost Company had talked back to him before and even if they hadn't, it was the higher ranking Clones like Fordo himself they went to for defense. In truth, it was an insult to his character to assume otherwise and Obi-Wan was quite lucky he hadn't offended him too terribly.

"It's comforting to have that reassurance and—you know—you have my permission to call me Obi-Wan."

"The willingness to admit to one's mistakes is the mark of a good leader." The tension in his posture and voice seems to dissipate instantly, and he drops his previously indignant, folded arms. "I appreciate that. Consider this cin vhetin — a clean slate."

Hooking his left thumb around his belt, he offers his right hand to Obi-wan for them to shake on it. Finally, they've gotten this di'kutla misunderstanding out of the way, and a simple confrontation was all it took.

"I wouldn't worry about it too much, sir. Be your genuine self and we'll follow suit. Don't overthink it." Fordo claps a hand onto Kenobi's shoulder. He didn't get to violently shake the man before, so he settles for a gently shaking him now. "We're blunt men — if you ever overstepped my bounds, you would have found out immediately."

[other-peoples-coats]

Every so often I think about how like, 70-90% or whatever of the galaxy apparently speaks the same language despite how stupid that is, and then I have to go lie down in a dark room for a while. Like at this point I have to basically pretend it was A Sith Plot, just because encouraging everyone to be mono-lingual and thus less able to Secretly Plot Against You seems like a Sith thing. like I know it’s just bad writing narrative convience etc etc, but also, good grief.

[mandoposting]

My hc for mando'a with the clones is that they weren't taught but they picked up small stuff from the trainers/jango like elek, nayc, formations, numbers and curses, so many cursewords

Also another interesting idea to explore is that the clones weren't given knowledge about mandalorian culture and seeked out the info on the culture of their template (which while having secrets like the forging of beskar is in itself not secret) as soon as they were able (after they left kamino). In that case not every clone would even want to follow those traditions and those clones that speak mando'a would speak "textbook mando'a" and their culture would be what stuff you can find on mandalorians mixed with their own things made in kamino and the war. Heh maybe even eventually a clone dialect of mando'a

anon... your mind...

i love this so much, especially with how natural it would be? cause its not like jango/the trainers would have sat them down in a room and given them a 101 on all things mandalorian. it would have been context specific, so like you said - mainly curse words sdfjsdfsd. but i also like to think its not just the raw "text" per say of the culture (the language, the customs, etc) that they would get vicariously through them, but also what kind of attitudes arise from it. because while the specifics of mandalorian culture are s p o t t y, especially in canon, i really like the notion in legends that being a mandalorian is about being a good fighter, yes, but also protecting those close to you and those who cant protect themselves. camaraderie is the result of mandalorian culture, and i really think it would have effected those who trained under them, even indirectly. the way that i feel like i might just be. describing the republic commando novels but. w/e dfhbsdjf

also with them seeking out information themselves?? absolutely. the clones have Agency goddamn it!! and what would also be so interesting is way that clones would have to work around propaganda to FIND the information. cause any kind of secondary source the clones would have immediate access to would probably be through the republic. and what kind of stance does the republic have? "mandalorians are a group of pacifists, neutral in the war. the violent extremists wearing beskar are the outliers. they are not mandalorian". i can imagine the kind of disconnect a clone would experience; it would completely contradict their understanding of their trainers/template (obviously jango did end up being... not a great guy? but i digress). like, what familiarity can they find in a group of politicians who will let their people suffer violence in the name of committing to their pacifist ideals? and i think that would inspire some deeper digging, and probably lead those who look to find more information about mandalorians before the era of the new mandalorians, and see people who resisted the violence of death watch but maintained the core of what it means to be mandalorian, learn about the resol'nare and the supercommando codex, and hERE'S HOW JASTER CAN STILL WIN- oops sorry, the Jaster Agenda jumped out.

final note on a response that has become way too long and disjointed: a clone dialect of mando'a? *consumes this* THATS SO COOL. I LOVE IT. I NEED IT.

[revenge-of-the-shit]

Thinking about how Alruya is afraid of returning (going) to Mandalore. As a clone of Jango Fett he was raised with some knowledge of Mando'a and of Mandalorian customs, but because he was raised in a place so far removed from Mandalore, he also doesn't know enough.

He's afraid he'll go to a planet filled with people who deride him as a Mandalorian who doesn't know how own language. As someone who can't even understand the main dialect and can't read Mando'a properly. He's afraid he'll see other Mandalorians who are confused when he can't read items off a menu or can't pronounce his Mando'a properly because he looks Mandalorian, so what's with his bad use of Mando'a...?

He's afraid he'll walk in with the Mandalorian art on his armor and he'll be mocked for it. Or worse, that they'll hate it and think he did it wrong, because it's warped into a Inner Rim/Core-Centric style. He's afraid he won't be able to recognize the common Mandalorian styles and trends. He's afraid that he's an imposter to his own Mandalorian heritage. He's afraid. He's afraid. He's afraid. But in the core they also don't accept him because he's a clone, because he's not from the core, they don't accept him but make him some *exotic foreign* Mandalorian clone instead of seeing him as a person, and Sith he'll he just wants to find a place to belong-

[panther-os]

So in canon, as far as I'm aware, there isn't any evidence one way or another for the main body of the GAR speaking Mando'a. We do know, however, that the Nulls and Omega Squad did because Kal Skirata taught them. Given their sheer fluency, I find it unlikely that the other Mandalorian trainers didn't speak Mando'a in a way that allowed the genetically engineered super smart, super quick-learning clones to pick it up.

As far as the trainers consciously teaching the clones Mando'a, I don't think so. For one thing, there's just too many clones, and also the trainers did trend towards anti-clone bigotry. A few of them might have taught a squad or two, but I don't think any more than that. Especially since Jango Fett certainly didn't see the clones as people and I don't think he saw them interacting with Mando culture in any significant way, either. As the lead trainer, if there were actual Mando'a classes, Jango would've signed off on it.

From of an out of universe perspective, I have noticed a trend where the writers who have all the troopers and commanders not speaking any Mando'a at all are typically the ones who seem to have a problem with the clones reclaiming their disconnected heritage. Which is ignorant at best and maliciously anti-indigenous at worst. As an unconnected Native, I am somewhat biased on this front, but I also know what I'm talking about.

I do think the newer generations of clones - those decanted and trained after Geonosis, after the majority of the Cuy'val Dar left Kamino - would be far less fluent in Mando'a, simply because their older brothers who are busy with the war would have to be the ones to teach them.

Regarding sign language and a clone dialect of Mando'a, it's very highly likely the clones came up with their own dialect - a mix of Standard Mando'a, JP, and any other dialects spoken around them - but I'm fairly certain it would be mutually intelligible to the point that most people would dismiss it as a weird accent. (I would maybe dedicate a few paragraphs to it if I ever got around to writing Gree's ethnographic paper on clone culture, but otherwise it's the kind of detail that might pull a reader out of the story, so it'd be subtle there-and-gone.)

I think the clones would have their own signs based on military sign, yes, but I think it would be a version of Signed Basic/Signed English, not its own language like ASL/BSL/etc. Sign languages are fully developed languages with their own syntax and grammar rules. Signed spoken languages are more of a pidgin with limited vocabulary using the language rules of the spoken language. Mixing them up is unfortunately common, but it also dismisses the complexity and difficulty of sign languages. It's an off-shoot of the "if a gorilla can do it" mentality. (Don't even get me started on the sheer idiocy, incorrectness, and ableism of calling "Gorilla Sign" a language.)

The creche system definitely encourages multilingualism! And I do think there's an empathic element to Jedi language and creole, but while that element was likely there from the beginning, I don't think the language would be birthed from it.

Any thoughts on Clone and/or Jedi language?

Too Many of them 😅

The biggest thing on my mind for trooper languages right now is that Jaster was a Journeyman Protector and so was Jango's bio dad, so Boba, the Alphas, and any CCs or CTs the Alphas trained directly most likely speak JP dialect Mando'a like Bacara does. I have sound change rules written up for converting standard Mando'a to JP but I need to finish transliterating the established dictionary before I can feed everything to Vulgar and generate the remaining vocabulary.

I think besides Mando'a, the clones probably haven't been exposed to many languages besides Galactic Basic and various common languages like Shyriiwook and Gand where the speakers can't translate themselves due to structural differences in the vocal tract.

For Jedi, I've created [counts on fingers] four? Sleheyr, Kimpian, Dyungzilyu - three! I've created three languages for various slave communities in the galaxy (inspired by fialleril's Amatakka) that are spoken by different members of the Jedi Order. Not all of them, as they're all closed languages, but enough that there's a sort of cultural exchange going on in the Temple. Those that aren't rescued slaves themselves are trusted rescuers who have been taught by Elders.

Sleheyr uses custom phenomes and is spoken by the Prosmyi (sky-children) of Sleheyron and is integral to my OC Taio Pallas. Kimpian uses Farsi phenomes for the most part and is spoken on Nar Shaddaa and in one of my WIPs, Nico Diath offers to get permission from an Elder to teach Eeth Koth, who was born a slave in my headcanon. Dyungzilyu uses Mandarin phenomes with slightly different spelling (but just as many diacritics) and is spoken on Bandomeer.

I'll actually share a snippet real quick. This is a giant time and dimension travel groupchat epistolary fic. This is 10yo Anakin (one year post-TPM) and 49yo Obi-Wan (eleven years post-RotS), while Taio is from 1½-2 years post-AotC and is the same age as the Anakin in her time. Aayla, Eeth, and the clones are from one year post-AotC while Nico is roughly three years pre-AotC.

Anakin Skywalker: Yithai, bliv gey yi kid muv beyng thev mim. Okay! I’m gonna practice it!

Taio Pallas: Don’t forget to tell your teacher that you want to meet me and Kalo, he’ll be able to schedule it with Master Nu. You’ll also need to tell him you have a tracker and need to have it removed, he probably doesn’t know.

Kenobi: I can confirm that he does not. Also, Anakin, if you want to get his attention, call him yēngun. It’s Dyungzilyu for teacher.

Taio Pallas: You too?

Kenobi: Unfortunately, I had an eventful Padawanship.

Windu: Bandomeer was your initiatehood.

Kenobi: That, too. Really, though, it was only a year.

Taio Pallas: Mine was only two, and I don’t remember it. You were trusted enough to be taught the language, which makes you one of us.

Aaylas’ecura: Ca jehsa eyi ca jehsa eyi ca jehsa eyi

Eeth Koth: Jee-jee vaa tula goola.

Anakin Skywalker: U settah huttese?

Eeth Koth: I do. I don’t remember if my people on Nar Shaddaa had their own language or what it was. I was three when my parents abandoned me on the streets instead of killing me like Master ordered, and four when I was Found. I only know that much because I told my Finder and they remembered and made sure to tell me when I was old enough to ask.

Nico Diath: Could’ve said something. You want Kimpian, I’ll see if I can find an Elder or Keeper on my way back to Coruscant, get permission to teach you.

Gree: So many culture, language, and history subchannels, this is great.

Taio Pallas: And of course the Vode are welcome, too, since you all come from a background of slavery.

8826: Well I wanted to but now that you’ve said something…

Gree: Don’t be a bastard, Neyo.

Bacara: He can’t help it, it’s his one setting.

Taio Pallas: I thought it was funny.

Anakin is practicing a Sleheyr greeting for meeting a fellow slave for the first time. Aayla is saying "one of us one of us one of us" in Ryl, and Eeth is saying "we can start a band" in Huttese, after which Anakin asks if he speaks Huttese.

I do also think the large number of languages spoken in the Temple results in a lot of mixed metaphors and a constantly developing creole formed primarily around Force-based jargon. Pretty much every Jedi is canonically multilingual, but this would be yet another reason for it.

Besides that, I'm a huge fan of the already existing Dai Bendu, which I hc is also a ceremonial language for Miralukka due to their shared history with the Jedi Order. (And I've crafted a fully developed Miralukkan common language as well. And a Kel Dor one. And a less developed Trandoshan one.)

If I let myself talk about languages any more, I'll never shut up. 😅 Thank you for the ask! This is one of my passions and another of my special interests (as I'm sure you cannot tell (sarcasm)) so I always love talking about it.

[jacensolodjo]

Also I just decided that Sheres isnt the only one who goes nonverbal. Fi does too sometimes, as well as Hyran (I dont want to say 17 doesnt but also idk i feel like he doesnt soo). There is a Mando sign language (related to dadita and an auto component of mando'a thru the very nature of what mandos do as in bringing in all sorts of people. Which I have espoused on before), as well as a kind of military sign (obviously this is a legit thing for our military too so why wouldnt they?? I mean they are in helmets for fucks sake sign is good!!) but they also have their own "dialect". Mainly so they can have private sign convos. Because privacy can be a thing with sign and should be. (in real life sign does have regional and dialects and sometimes even accents so)

And it is super easy to tell if it is nonverbal sign or GAR sign so that people know to give them privacy. Unless they are being brought into the convo (also easy to tell with sign in general).

But my main point is that they have different name signs for each dialect and I love the idea that it involves the jaig eyes on sher's buy'ce for nonverbal and an adapted sign for sniper for regular GAR sign. And for like a second when Fi is just learning this new dialect he thinks Sher is actually talking about the brain injury symbol on fi's helmet when introducing himself while teaching. Which leads tooooooo Fi having just a slightly different sign for his name from Sher's. Which cracks them both up for reasons.

Think like “sniper 1 and sniper 2″. it’s like perfect self deprecating clone jokes. why be sniper and spotter when u can just be co-snipers?

[mandoposting]

!!!! that's so cool, i never knew about the dialects!!!! ugh what a cool detail.

and yeah it is interesting thinking about the cuy'val dar, especially how it may add to the kind of fading of it among clones? cause if one group is taught a specific regional flavour of mando'a/mandalorian customs, then they'll try to pass that down to the next generation. however, at the same time you have a different group of clones learning a different flavour and trying to have THAT live on, which, while sustainable in large populations, i think would just become confusing among the (relatively) small groups of clones and, like you said, the familiar dialect would just die out as it distills into a kind of base understanding that all the clones can relate to, not matter what they were taught.

its also just *head in hands* so difficult to untangle canon from non-canon, especially when the canon text seems to support both?? like are the clone trainers in clone cadets there as a nod towards the cuy'val dar? or are they their replacements after their contracts expire? or are we just not shown any mandalorian trainers?? tcw doesnt give us much indication either way and it's so frustrating dhshsja

I mean we’d have to assume jango still taught them some mando stuff considering clones like Rex & Fordo were awarded with jaig eyes for their exploits. You can always argue that fordo is legends so he doesn’t count but Rex is still right there wearing em.

oh yeah yeah!!! definitely, im not denying that. i am wholly on board with jangos influence on rex and the others. what im interested in is how mando cultural influence persists through the different generations of clones. like, once jango is gone, does it kind of fade away? especially as the older clones die and are replaced by shinies who only know jango fett by name? is it an instant indicator of the age of a clone if he refers to other clones as "vod" and not "brother"? does mando'a become something associated with those higher up the chain of command, because they most likely were trained by him? obviously theres some fuckey stuff to consider with how many clones actually grew up post-jango's death, but i still like to think about it