#(said as a cult survivor don't fucking come at me. whatever)

[irawhiti]

i'm sorry about people being insensitive, it hurts a lot when i see people making "edgy" jokes about traumatizing things they assume are fair game for jokes because they think it's too crazy to ACTUALLY happen to someone

yeah honestly it's like... i'm genuinely glad that people don't have trauma around organised crime and shit but it's an extremely common horrific experience. the only reason more people don't talk about it is they're scared to. like i don't say more about shit for a reason regardless of if it was my choice. like, people assume it's so far out there that people might be traumatised by these things, they're this theoretical Other. i see it a lot with brba content for example which, with all due respect, i literally cannot fucking watch if i don't wanna be a nervous wreck for a month.

[joanofexys]

I think what bugs me the most about what happened today other than the fact that I was the one getting vagued is the fact that the conversation got warped into one that is about morality and not simply theorizing on The Ravens and how The Nest works

my original post essentially said two things:

The Ravens are victims and to erase that because they don't fit the model of the perfect victim and some have even become abusers erases all nuance from that portion of Jean and Kevin's lives and the surrounding discussion

Cults are weird. I grew up in one. And it is very easy to manipulated by one and to feel trapped and to also be completely in the dark about what is happening in a cult even when you're in the heart of it

I did not say anyone had to forgive the Ravens (they're fictional characters. fake people. that wasn't even on my mind) or that any of them are by any means good people. i also didn't say that they were all oblivious or that there weren't some of them that were abusive. I also never made this a conversation about morality and whether or not the Ravens are good or bad people for staying in a cult.

For some reason that got warped into what we are currently discussing and involved some highly insensitive language surrounding cult victims including things being said like it's not crazy to expect people to walk away from things like scholarships, financial security, or career security if it means being complacent in abuse and that it's "just basic morals".

And I'm sorry for getting personal on this but as a cult survivor I think that's one of the most upsetting and insensitive things I have heard come from these conversations today.

It doesn't matter what x thing is whether it's money or food or housing or a career. In a cult they use whatever it is you need and make you dependent on them for it. Also with the Ravens in particular keep in mind it wasn't simply being complacent in abuse. They were being abused.

If you have been in a similar situation, if you are grappling with the guilt of leaving a cult or anything like a cult, know that you are not a moral failure for having stayed for as long as you did. You are not moral failure for staying for whatever reason you did. It is not just basic morals when it comes to living in a cult. Morality becomes warped and the concept of what is immoral and moral is something completely different and that is intentional.

It doesn't matter whether you think the Ravens were aware of Riko's abuse or not. Having differing opinions on that is completely okay. What you don't get to do is turn it into a conversation about morality where you then get to insult cult survivors like we're evil people for not walking away at the first red flag because we needed something. Because we were in survival mode and we weren't able to focus on other people.

We still don't have all the details on how the Ravens function or the type of abuse players even outside of the perfect court face other than it was extreme. It's fun to theorize. And it's okay if people disagree. But if you can't be mindful about where your opinion switches from theory to some huge declaration of moral high ground then you've lost the fucking plot.

I would love to talk more about the Ravens and my theories on them. I would love to talk more about how cults work and why I think it's possible they were completely unaware of Riko's abuse. There's a lot of nuance in those conversations and I would love to take the time to treat them with the care they deserve. I'm also still incredibly upset by a lot of the things said today and I can acknowledge that this is a topic that is very personal to me. So this is me opening up that can of worms (again) and I'm more than happy to have those conversations and answer questions but please be patient with me because if it isn't already obvious this is a topic that is incredibly sensitive to me

[papirouge]

Omg Those rich dubai/ German/ whatever men are participating in sexual humiliation rituals. Eating feces, Getting feces and puke inserted into your genitalia, these rituals they are doing are about spiritual destruction and then absorption. I think you call them warlocks or wizards? Male witches? They hate the feminine and hate Gods creations. They purposely seek out women who wouldn’t want to do this because that means her spirit is more pure and they delight in breaking our spirit. The more that we are aware of male witches the more we can recognize their presence and avoid them so God can destroy them.

My sister was approached by one of these men to party with him in France and then to go to Dubai with him. She said no but he kept insisting she come and just relax. He acted like it was an honor for her to be with him. She told him no and that she will never have sex with a man she isn’t married to and that she knew what goes on at these parties 💀 basically called him out and she told me that he looked like he was never called out like that before. S

...hmm sorry to burst your bubble, anon, but I don't think we can't "divine feminine" our way out of this one 🥴 This "divine feminine" thing is yet another new age crap repackaged and rebranded for femdom guru and dating coach. Think about The Secret, but rebranded for women.

Porta potty is only but one facet of satan worship. I think it caught a lot of attention because of how outrageous it was, and the FC misogynists had a field day mocking those women willing to get degraded to such extent for a few thousands $$. But don't get it twisted, there are also Madame to help this system keep going (Naomi Campbell is one of them btw). In one of the 2 stories I shared, it was a FEMALE friend who lured the OP into this. When it's men doing it, this may come off more obvious/suspicious (i.e your sister's reaction). In the story where the girl accepted the invitation from a man, homegirl seemed to have a very low self preservation instinct because even when she realized she was invited in what she thought was a "bunny ranch" she still didn't see any issue with that 💀 (and let's not even forget she was cheating on her boyfriend) so idk if she's much representative of a woman with "normal" boundaries

One of France biggest serial killer/pedophile, Michel Fourniret, used HIS PREGNANT WIFE (Monique Olivier) as a bait to lure schoolgirls into his house. And even after she birthed their kid, she kept using him to come off helpless/harmless to the girls she lured (asking her for help and to ride her car, etc). And the fucked up thing is that this child, who's now an adult in his 30s, is currently investigated for rape.... When we tell that generational curses are REAL! She said that she sometimes left her kid with the abducted girls in the same room.... I totally believe that witnessing the distress and fear of these poor girls rubbed onto him (even as a toddler) and it messed him up psychologically and spiritually. Monique Olivier took a life sentence for what she did. I personally do not believe that women in this "brand of activities" are prone to be more kind with sacrificed or abused children.

I remember the testimony of an Australian satanic cult survivor (Fiona Basset?) who said that she was raped by Nicole Kidman dad and that she saw Nicole Kidman make fun of her martyr (literally bursting out of laughter just before her). There's also another women who's a child ritual abuse survivor (I think she was german? or belgian?) said that in those sex parties, males as much as women raped and sacrificed those children, regardless of their sex or gender. I believe Chrissy Teigen is one of them. Forcefully aborting little girls, ribbing their womb apart, drinking their blood, handing over their own baby (or those of raped girls) to be sacrificed and eaten...

Morally corrupt women = a morally corrupt men. Satan has no gender. There's no "female solidarity" in this stuff. Those people soul are gone.

I agree that the participant unwillingness definitely contributes to the thrill of these human sacrifice sessions. Adrenochrome, etc. I heard the purest sacrifice was the one of an intelligent male child. I won't elaborate on this, but it's said that there's some portal in an*s that open door into the demonic realms. That's why p*dophile are so adamant raping children and s********* them. That's also why s******* is used in dissociation/MK ultra sessions. It really messes up people's psyche and Spirit. It's said that children who got sexually abused tend to age faster ; that's because their life force got sucked dry at a VERY young age. Look at that Desmond is Amazing kid, how TIRED he looked when he was only 10-11... I am SURE some dark hit happened to him- I really hope he's doing okay.

Now ask yourself why s******** is getting more and more normalized. How these "sex ed" classes tell that's okay and normal (it's not - 1)the an*s is NOT a sexual organ 2) is wired to only EVACUATE stuff, not receive it 3) over stimulating it develops incontinence problem. Someone ask old gay men how their poo poo sessions doing please *for educational purposes ofc*