#(but don't think of it as an exuse to send hate)
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1) Beating one's wife was once seen as normal? Homophobia was once seen as normal? Actually within the Harry Potter universe thinking that Voldemort had the right ideas and being a blood purist was normal! The death eaters outnumbered the Order 20:1, Sirius says that lots of people thought Voldemort had the right ideas, and even after the war British wizards literally had chosen a blood purist (at least according to Albus) as their Minister! Why would you say Snape was wrong for using the word Mudblood then?
The thing is, a violation of one's bodily boundaries and basic feelings of privacy and safety and control would influence the victim's mental health, even if the perpetrator supposedly "doesn't know" it's wrong.
I have zero idea what is tcoptp, I'm pretty sure we are discussing Harry Potter books? Is it some kind of Marauders fanfition or what?... The only people who do almost exactly what James did in the books are the Death Eaters to the family of Muggles in GoF, and every character understands how wrong it is. Also it's strongly implied that James took Snape's underwear off ā there is no reason to include the phrase that suggests something that can't be shown in the books for children and pull Harry out just after it if the author didn't want to convey that it happened.
2) well if you are stating something it's rather logical people would confront it if it's not true
3) we see that James during the SWM insistently asks Lily out, including the bit when he tries to blackmail her (the quote in punkt 7). After she said "no" and "I hate you" as clearly as she did, the only possibly normal thing to do was to leave her alone. But James kept trying to win her attention for at least one more year and for at least one more year she kept refusing. Then he supposedly stopped hexing people "for the fun of it" and she agreed to date him, and he "didn't take Snape on their dates to hex him" so that she doesn't change her mind. Even if we assume that his try to ask Lily out in that manner during the SWM was the first one (which I personally don't think is likely), it surely wasn't anywhere near the last one. And this is absolutely a disregard to her boundaries and a belief that she is supposed to date him because it's his wish.
Harry was literally so horrified with their dynamics his initial thought was that his father had forced his mother into a relationship.
4) WHAT respectful kind adults? Albus "I'll silence your murder attempt" Dumbledore? Minerva "thinks that sending 11yo kids to the forest where something kills unicorns is a great punishment" McGonagall? Horace "made an elitist club inside the school" Slughorn? Did they ever stop the bullying? No, they didn't. Did they ever stop the DEs recruiting children? No, they didn't. Hogwarts was full of neglectful adults who weren't doing their goddamn jobs. What are you talking about.
5) Shoving Harry in OoTP sure wasn't good, but it wasn't intentionally cruel. Harry literally retraumatised Snape, and after he trusted Harry enough to leave him alone with the memories that not only held Snape's most private life moments, but also probably the war secrets Harry absolutely shouldn't have known, Harry decided to peek inside, witnessing his teacher being assaulted and almost seeing him fully naked. Literally anyone would've lost control in a situation like that ā it's called having a nervous system. Way fewer people would humiliate and tie up and choke with soap and raise up in the air and undress their classmate because their friend had been bored.
Also, McGonagall grabbed 11yo Draco's ear because he broke curfew? Most things that Snape did as a teacher other teachers also did, only with much flimsier exuses. The only characters we see doing what James did in the books are, yet again, the DEs.
6) calling DEs nazis is very problematic, but ok. Snape WAS a mean and deeply imperfect teacher (i don't remember when did he make fun of Ron's wand though? and the questions he asked Harry weren't advanced, a 11yo muggleborn girl had known the answers. also he DID make Trevor drink the potion and it WAS safe). His actions weren't out of the ordinary for Hogwarts stuff, but yeah, he had a lot of room for improvement. That doesn't make Snape "the other side of the coin" of a privileged bully. This makes Snape a disfunctional adult not really cut out for his job.
being groomed into a terrorist group and calling his friend a slur during a traumatic event doesn't make Snape the other side of the coin of a privileged bully either, it makes him a textbook example of a discriminated and vulnerable youth who falls easy prey to radicalisation. which isn't good by any means, but it's not bad in the same way hexing people because you find it amusing is.
7) "I will [leave Snape alone] if you go out with me, Evans,ā said James quickly. āGo on . . . Go out with me, and Iāll never lay a wand on old Snivelly again"
Frankly, the James/Lily interactions make me hate him almost as much as James/Severus interactions.
8) "And my mum was okay with that [James still hexing Snape on their 7th year]?ā
āShe didnāt know too much about it, to tell you the truth,ā said Sirius. āI mean, James didnāt take Snape on dates with her and jinx him in front of her, did he?ā
You could soften that to "withheld information" I guess, but he clearly understood that Lily would be unhappy with that if she knew. And this is the info James' literal best friend is giving on him, lol.
9) I refer to that sneaking out: "James is getting a bit frustrated shut up here, he tries not to show it but I can tell ā also, Dumbledoreās still got his Invisibility Cloak, so no chance of little excursions". That's how we know that Albus didn't take the Cloak for "experimenting" (which had been a dumb exuse, since that stuff can hide people from death and this is something Potters needed a lot), but so that James stays at his freaking Fidelius hidden home with their infant.
James died because he chose a secret keeper with his ass, sorry. There was no reason for him to die, if he just listened to Albus or at least became a keeper himself, he would've lived. When Voldemort already was at his house, he didn't have a choice.
I don't care about who is a bastard and who is not ā what I'm saying is that people hurting others because they think it's funny and because they feel like they have a right to do it are not the same as people hurting others because they are traumatised and triggered. I agree Snape wasn't cut dry bad or good, just like Sirius, or Remus, or Albus (with their own good and bad sides, and in quite different ways and proportions), but frankly, James wasn't given any redeeming qualities except for being a part of the Order and not hating his friends as much as Sirius did (aka stopping Lupin from killing Snape). That's it. His change is nowhere in the books. His good deeds are nowhere in the books. He and Snape are not "cruel" or "arrogant" in the same way at all.
hey gang. are we gonna talk about how Snape grew into exactly what he perceived teenage James Potter to be? unnecessarily cruel, picked on those with less power than him, arrogant (debatable for Snape but the 'I can teach you how to bottle fame brew glory stopper death etc' speech was him GLAZING himself LMAO) and found a target in a kid with a difficult family life?
this isnt a criticism of Snape or James. this is just an observation and objective fact. both Snape and James were/did the things I listed above, James in his adolescence and Snape in his adulthood. I just found it interesting.
EDIT: by saying you hate snape you're essentially saying you hate teenage james potter haha. you can't have it both ways, they're two sides of the same coin
#pro severus snape#anti james potter#not in a āsnape had never done one thing wrongā way#but in a āabusing people for fun and losing control over your actions when you're triggered in NOT identicalā way#āthe cycle of abuseā have you considered James had actually started it for no reason?#no one can make me tolerate you James Potter#like i hate Sirius' guts but at least he had reasons to be the way he was yk? he didnāt just choose it because he felt like it#so i think he deserves some empathy and James really doesn't
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list of ships in Mortal KombatĀ Ā (let's see if someone gets pissed at me for the first one)Ā
Jade x Kotal KahnĀ (seriously their smile, when they see each other again, is cute AF. That and he respects the fuck out of Jade and doesnāt treat her as a weakly seeing her true power and potential. *see the dialogue between them and the one between Kotal and Sonya where they talk about Jade*)Ā
Kitana x Liu KangĀ
Kabal x Erron BlackĀ
Kabal x StrykerĀ
Kabal x Stryker x Erron BlackĀ (I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS ONE)Ā
Sonya x JohnnyĀ
Jax x VeraĀ Ā
Jacqui x TakedaĀ Ā
Sindel x JerrodĀ
Sindel x RaidenĀ
Sindel x Ermac (if you know about his ending in Mk9 youād know why)Ā Ā
Scorpion (Hanzo) x Sub-Zero (Kai Liang) (or as I like to Call them IcyHot)Ā Ā
Kano x Money (CRACK SHIP!!)Ā
#mun speaks#Mortal Kombat Kast#ships#(if you don't like these ships it's fine)#(but don't think of it as an exuse to send hate)#MK11#MKX#MK9
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To make everything clear, i do beleives that azula triggered ursa trauma because she is the child of the Prophecy unlike zuko but this is not an exuse to ursa
Also as you can see your point of the reason of her treatment towards azula is that zuko was always in danger and needed her more is azula problem because its always about zuko
Azula was also in danger and being turned into a weapon and ursa failed to even make azula know she is loved by her (failed doing the bare bare minimum) azula was been treated as a second thought
You say that ozai will stop any Attempts from ursa to azula by separates them which is a headcanon because we saw azula and ursa a lot together but its ursa who sends azula away in every time they had time (even though i agree ursa time with azula was less than her time with zuko)
Also about ikem letter i think its a Proof of the way ursa saw both of her childreen, in her eyes zuko is ikem son the child she wants thats gives her hope
Azula is ozai daughter the child she didn't want to have (you are your father daughter azula)
Unfortunately we never saw ursa try to correct azula or even spend time with her, when she Discipline her daughter by just telling her go to your room and think about it, while with zuko she spend time to tell him what he did wrong
There even moments when zuko was mean to azula in front of ursa but ursa said nothing to him
All these signs of favoritisim with no ozai around or trauma responce
So yes i still beleives no matter what their only two childreen in ursa heart
And ursa saving azula from jail or taking her bending away its all near death stuation level my point is that ursa needs to do something big to show her love which is Unfortunately i don't see her doing because she isn't strong enough
Finaly both zuko and azula needs time to move on, zuko needed three years with all the help in the world
Even Though azula dosen't have any help but we see her let go of her anger and revenge towards the fire Warriors
I hope i explained myself sorry for talking to much
Also azula isn't hated as you think she is, her role in the war was only couple of months and her conquer was bloodless, the other fire nations soldiers and nobilty did more and no body have a problem with them
With the release of the pages of the new Avatar comic, what do you think about Kiyi redeeming her sister Azula?
While what has been released so far, in my opinion, suggests that she would be fine with having a relationship with a redeemed Azula since she either doesn't remember who terrorized her family in The Search and kidnapped her in S&S or doesn't care, I don't think Kiyi going to redeem her.
From what we have seen so far in the comics and the rest of the extended universe, if Azula gets redeemed, I think it will happen in one of three ways: (a) Azula eventually realizes that continuing on her current path will only cause her more pain and suffering, and so she renounces her forefathers' path for ultimately selfish, but understandable, reasons; (b) Ursa and Azula finally have a heart-to-heart in which Ursa convinces Azula that changing for the better is worth it because, even if everyone will hates her afterwards and it will be a very painful process, she will always be there for her because she loves her unconditionally; or (c) some combination of (a) and (b).
In regards to (a), considering she let the Fire Warriors be at the end of her solo comic because she (subconsciously) realized her treatment of Mai and Ty Lee was terrible and didn't want to repeat her mistakes with another group of girls, there is a possibility that Azula essentially suffers burnout from the being the imperialist warlord Ozai wanted her to be. Without the backing of the Fire Nation state, Azula will continue to be confronted with the fact that no one will want to ally themselves with, let alone be friends or lovers with, a die-hard Sozinist who doesn't value anyone's lives or well-being.
In regards to (b), in my opinion, her solo comic makes it clear that she desperately wants Ursa's approval and love, but hates her for choosing Zuko's life over protecting her from Ozai's wrath. If Ursa explains to her the reality of her marriage with Ozai, namely that she was a glorified sex slave with no power and forced to have Ozai's kids against her will, acknowledged how it led her to treat Azula differently from Zuko, and that she would make it up to Azula by being there for her as she undergoes the painful process of redeeming herself and beyond, even if the rest of the world rejects her, because she unconditionally loves her, Azula would quickly reject Sozinism, or at least be receptive to de-Sozinization.
But I think scenario (c) is the most likely way Azula would get redeemed since it is consistent with the other redemptions in the franchise. Specifically, while people do need positive influences to change, it is ultimately up to the individual to change. No matter what Ursa says or promises to Azula, the only person who can make Azula change for the better is Azula.
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