#(also when I read Kane Chronicles and there was the reveal that PJO exists in the same universe

[thelastspeecher]

one of my favorite things about the Extended Rick Riordan Universe is that Kane Chronicles establishes Manhattan belongs to the Greek gods and Brooklyn belongs to the Egyptian ones

so you'd expect the Norse gods to have one of the other boroughs, right?

WRONG

the Norse gods have Boston

[goliath-de-senfina-sango]

Danny Phantom and the Riordanverse

I have some thoughts about a Shared World kind of crossover between Danny Phantom and Percy Jackson & the Olympians. I haven’t done a full rewatch of DP in ages, nor have a read outside the core 5 PJO books, the HOO books, the Kane Chronicles, Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard, and about 2 and a half of the Trials of Apollo books, also been a while. Apologies for any inaccuracies but hey, fanon.

A Glitch In Time canonizes that the Infinite Realms and Material World were once one and the same, but a global war - waged by people who were naturally half ghost the way Danny and Vlad are - split the world in 2. All things regarding Pariah Dark, I’d say he was one of the major powers in this war.

Realms can range from a 10x10x10 room to entire islands with their own celestial bodies like Dora’s kingdom and its sun. Technically we don’t know if the Far Frozen even has an End Point. Doors can lead to alternate timelines; Desiree, Ghost Writer and Clockwork are all able to warp reality, time included, and the Observant Council perceive time in at least 2 dimensions.

In the Riordanverse it is revealed in the few books of the Trials of Apollo that I read and remember that mortal belief from even a relatively small cult can elevate a mortal man to immortal status a la monsters and Gods. Apollo even muses about the way the Gods don’t want to acknowledge how dependent on mortals remembering them they are.

All of this considered, if you want DP to exist in the Riodanverse and even keep the lore of both, then the Realms/Planes/Worlds of the Gods - of Hellas, Kemet, the Æsir and Vanir, the Heavenly Beauracracy, etcetera - are Realms connected to the Spirit World but managed to remain intersected with the Material World through the efforts of the Gods and the memories of Mortals.

The Duat could even be a layer of the Infinite Realms, frankly.

Danny states that his accident was a month ago as of Episode 1, Mystery Meat, which is set April 3rd, 2004. Based on the few concrete date indicators we get in Danny Phantom, the series takes place over 3 years. 4 if you count Claw of the Wild, but that means the trio stays Tiny all the way into Senior Year lol.

Prisoners of Love begins on May 18th, Fright Knight is a Halloween episode, and in Lucky in Love, they’re at a waterpark, which only open in May at the earliest. The Fright Before Christmas is obviously set before and during Christmas and then Reality Trip is set at the beginning of Summer 2006.

In Urban Jungle, Tucker remarks that it’s 90 degrees outside, which means it’s either late May or early June since I do believe they Are in school at that point and iirc global warming hadn’t made it 90 in the midwest early in 2006. Claw of the Wild is an odd camping episode featuring Danny’s class, and I forget in episode details so if this was during school time it had to be during the spring since, again, they live relatively close to the Great Lakes, so it’s gotta be during a naturally warm time. A Glitch In Time, therefore, is set in late spring or early summer of 2008.

Percy Jackson is 12 at the beginning of The Lightning Thief & 13 at the end Iirc since his birthday is August 12th. Either way, this is in 2005. Sea of Monsters and Titan’s Curse are both set during 2006; Battle of the Labyrinth is in 2007, and iirc The Last Olympian is set next year during 2008 and Percy is 16.

Thereby when the Heroes of Olympus books begin in 2008-2009, Danny is 18 and either a senior or highschool graduate. This is a hilarious point in time for Percy to meet Danny, actually, or any of our protagonist crew, if you want to maintain canon for both.

I know most people don’t, in fact, care to keep up DP canon nearly this rigidly, so some other fun thoughts.

In Reality Trip, Freakshow acquires the Reality Gauntlet, and begins the summer (as this begins on a last day of school event I’d say probably even on the Solstice) of 2006 with a reality warping bang. Once he gets the gems, Freakshow transforms the whole world into his circus, until Danny tricks him and gets the glove back, fixing reality to exactly how it was before the change, wiping his identity from the memories of everyone save Tuck, Sam, & Jazz, and then destroyed the Reality Gauntlet in a single shot.

This, I imagine, would grab the attention of The Gods. That’s if the Pariah Dark situation didn’t register to them, even. Considering Percy is 13 at the time and due to deal with the Sea of Monsters situation, the Kane siblings haven’t been recruited yet (I think) and Magnus is still just a homeless kid in Boston, I dunno if anyone from New Rome would be sent but the Gods of various pantheons may investigate directly or through minor gods/spirits.

The House of Life certainly wouldn’t approve of the Ghost Portals, Vlad, or possibly even Danny. Hell, Luke might actually be sent to recruit Danny or Vlad to the Titan’s cause now that I think about it.

With the fact that Danny, Vlad, and Dan were destroying other timelines while smashing into them from sheer speed through the Spirit World during A Glitch In Time, I’d say Danny is at least a 6D being (existing in at least 4 dimensions of space and 2 of time.) If that doesn’t count him as a God, idk what would. Also during Infinite Realms, Vlad and Danny time travel to both ancient Rome during an event in the colosseum and ancient China at a monetary. If these are the same universe as Danny’s, then he and Vlad should have a myth or two regarding one another, which would also put them on the watch list for Olympus and the Bureaucracy of Heaven.

But hey, what do you think? I’m open to talk about this and wanna hear other people’s thoughts and opinions.

[olderthannetfic]

I'd hesitate to say that all of the rep in Riordan's books is good. Aside from generally bastardizing three entire culture's history and myths, that Muslim girl was supposedly betrothed to a man 6 years her senior when she was 12. This is never addressed as a bad thing in the book. She is also ridiculously subservient to her grandparents, and takes off her hijab when fighting because somehow this makes it easier. All of the above listed things just don't exist in the Muslim community, they exist in rare abuse cases and white American propaganda. Then there's the fact that a 13 year old black girl got "Well it wasn't *me*" 'd when she mentioned her grandmother dealing with the Jim crow South, to which a white boy replied with the above statement. She's been described as having "chocolate" skin and been exotified to have "golden" eyes, as well as the only native girl having "kaleidoscope' eyes. No other demigods, including their siblings, have this trait.. Said black girl also was paired off with a 17 year old teenager, who was the subject of fat phobia in Rick's books. He, an Asian teen, was described as "panda like" and iirc a "sumo" before he was Blessed By The Lord into becoming buff and confident. Classy, right? The only Latino boy in the series (14 btw) is a ""ladies man"" who speaks spanglish. The only native girl is Cherokee from a reservation that doesn't exist, and she is a kleptomaniac. <- also, when she was claimed, this 14 year old girl was put in a revealing dress where the above mentioned white boy ogled her breasts. None of this is seen as anything but normal or funny in the books, and this isn't all. I only addressed PJO books, not the Magnus Chase or Kane ones. And Kane chronicles probably have the worst representation of black people and Egyptians (terms that are far from mutually exclusive) throughout all the books.

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I haven't read the PJO books. I'm with you on some of these things... Some.

[anaisonfire]

Hello! I’ve read the five Percy Jackson and The Olympians books as well as the five Heroes of Olympus books. My question that I was hoping you could help me out with is, what Rick Riordan books should I read next and in what order? I’m not really looking to get into a different series with new characters. I’d prefer to read continuations of the stories involving the characters I already know, but if a book is necessary to understand the plot, I’d read it :) thank you!

Hello! Wow I never expected to get a PJO-relateda ask, I feel like I’m dreaming lol Fair warning, this got long and I have no clue how to add a more below the cut thingy. 😅

The direct sequel series to PJO and HoO is the Trials of Apollo. It’s written in the style of the first five PJO books, but from the POV of Apollo-as-mortal. There are new main characters, but in the second & third books some of the HoO cast return in main roles. The series seems to be tying the loose ends of PJO and HoO (more the last than the first). It’s also still coming out, with the fourth book set to ome out in fall 2019.

For the “main”, I guess, story that’s it. Additional material is to be found in other books, though.

There’s the directly relevant, that is to say things that are actually about the Greek myths & PJO characters:

The Demigod Files, The Demigod Diaries, Percy Jackson’s Greek Gods & Percy Jackson’s Greek Heroes are all collections of short stories. 

The Demigod Files contains three short stories, titled “Percy Jackson and the Stolen Chariot”, “Percy Jackson and the Bronze Dragon”, and “Percy Jackson and the Sword of Hades”, and is set between The Battle of the Labyrinth and The Last Olympian.

The Demigod Diaries has four short stories three of which happen before the start of the Heroes of Olympus (The Diary of Luke Castellan, Percy Jackson and the Staff of Hermes & The Son of Magic), and one that is between The Lost Hero and Mark of Athena (Leo Valdez and the Quest for Buford).

Percy Jackson’s Greek Gods & Percy Jackson’s Greek Heroes both have Percy retelling different myhts. First is about how the 12 Olympians came to be and individual gods’ stories, and the second is about different Greek heroes - Perseus, Daedalus, Theseus, Atalanta, Hercules, etc. Both are written in the style of the first PJO books.

There’s also a guide to Camp Half-Blood, called Camp Half-Blood Confidential. It’s basically a collection of stories told by different demigods and others who live at CHB about day-to-day happenings and the like. There’s a map of camp and all. I don’t think it adds anything particular to the main plot but it is interesting if you want to know more about minor characters and regular non-disastrous happenings at camp. If you read this, I’d recommend reading it after you’ve caught up with Trials of Apollo. There might be spoilers for the series in here.

Additionaly to all of the above, there’s also Rick’s other myths’ series, though they’re less relevant to PJO.

There’s The Kane Chronicles and Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard. They’re both trilogies, where The Kane Chronicles��deal with the Egyptian myths & Magnus Chase - with Norse mythology. They’re both in the same universe as PJO, and some events in those books happen simultaneously with HoO and ToA - even though they’re technically standalone, if you decide to give them a shot, I’d rec you read them after ToA.

The Kane Chronicles does its own thing aside from off-hand remarks that make it clear that it’s happening in the same universe as PJO. There are, however, three connected shorts that are a crossover between the two. They were originally published seperately, and then together under the name Demigods and Magicians. It’s basically an exploration of “what happens when mythologies mix”, and it also ties up a loose end from TKC (I think; it’s been a while since I’ve read it). It’s not necessary to get any of the plot, I don’t think it’s even mentioned in the main books, but it is interesting and kinda sorta answers why the gods & heroes of different myths stay away from each other, even though they exist in the same universe and could, theoretically, help each other with the crises that happen in the books.

Now, Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard does, actually, have characters from PJO. Specifically, Annabeth. She has a minor role in all three books, like shows-up-last-chapter-for-a-talk minor. Except for the last book, where she & another PJO character kinda help the main characters in the beginning of the book (but that goes into spoiler territory). If you decide to read this series, be aware that it’s happening at the same time as the first Trials of Apollo books and there are spoilers for that, albeit not really big (it kinda reveals the main antagonist of ToA, I think). Aside from off-hand remarks about where Annabeth is, MCGA isn’t really relevant to ToA though (that might change, but I doubt it).

That’s it! Wow, so long lmao😅 Sorry for infodumping, I get excited about these books. I hope this helped, and if something wasn’t clear please feel free to ask again! 😄