Hello, Gym Leader Clay.
I'm writing to you concerning your romantic relationship with Gym Leader Drayden. If... it is not presumptuous to ask, I was hoping to inquire about the beginnings of your relationship. What... what exactly was it that made you realize you were experiencing romantic attraction?
Ain't no problem ta ask. Just that the answer ain't machine cut clean. 'Course, it'd be easy ta give you that "you'll know on yer own" kinda garbage but I ain't the sort ta lie like that.
See, it's been brought up a coupla times on here, but Drayden wasn't the first relationship I was in. An' well, I knew I loved her. Not think, knew. The feelings I had round her were... Intoxicating. Like there were Beautifly 'n my gut, an' even the rainiest days with her could be sunny. Jus' seein' her made the day brighter somehow.
'Cept well, love don't last long without a decent foundation, an' turns out we didn't have one. Ain't gettin' into the grit of it but the tougher times got, the harder it became to love her--ta stay 'n love with her. Them gut-Beautifly died down, sunny days got cloudy, but I--we both thought we were close enough friends that we could sort things out.
... We didn't. An' that's on both sides, mind: we didn't talk much bout our problems, an' so they just built up an' rotted the already-shaky foundation till it all fell apart under us. Whatever love we had didn't last as long as we were told it would.
An' then, a' course, the part ya actually asked fer. The feelings fer Drayden didn't come up right away honestly--hell, I didn't even realize 'em right away. We'd been friends fer so long, an' he'd been there fer so much a' the bad times, at first I just thought that what I was feelin' was appreciation fer him stickin' by me despite bein'... well, more disliked 'n usual at the time.
It took some long thinkin' before I realized what I was feelin' again, an' uh... well I didn't like it right away. Not only was I unsure after... Errythin' that happened with Celia, but growin' up I was told that feelings towards another man weren't somethin' a fella should act on. Sure I'd had them before growin' up, but as they passed quickly I figured it was just a normal, if intrusive, kinda thought? So why was it comin' back tenfold towards Drayden? I didn't get it.
An' then Mildred hit me over the head with the "it has been how fuckin' long an' you don't know what 'bisexual' is" hammer.
...
In my defense it weren't covered when I was growin' up.
But talkin' with her made me realize that I jus' had to bite that bullet an' come clean to Drayden bout how I was feelin'. Even if he didn't return the feelings, least it wouldn't be hangin' over my head no more an' we could find somewhere ta go from there, either still as friends or... not.
Course, y'all know what musta happened. Not only did we talk bout how I felt, an' how he felt back, but we also kept talkin' afterwards, bout how ta deal with each other's issues, disagreements... We stayed as friends, jus'... made sure our foundation was sturdier before we built on top a' that.
Boilin' it all down though, yer gonna fall 'n love with people, they'll make every moment with them feel the best, but it's gonna take work ta make it actually last ferra long time.
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here is a long ago conversation about talented amateurs, between me and a much better writer
if it’s of interest to anybody, here’s a long ago conversation I had with a very dear friend (and the best writer I know), about this story and the shape of it. it probably would’ve taken place around November of 2018, which is wild to remember. My daughter was 3. I was in the middle of moving house. TAG still hadn’t aired S3. I came to know so much about this story that it’s surprising to remember that I didn’t know when I wrote the first chapter that it even WAS a first chapter.
and not featured here, but still necessary to thank personally for putting up with similar ramblings over the course of the past two years are @space-baegel, @scribeofred and @drdone.
Anyway. Here’s a behind the scenes glimpse at what I knew in November of 2018. Thanks for reading <3
Prelude 9:27 pm
also i have another 2k in TA
Kate 9:27 pm
and you do not have enough hours in the day
Prelude 9:27 pm
and they are about to have a Big Talk
Kate 9:27 pm
OOOOH
KHNDFKLVGERUILG
i just got SO excited
Prelude 9:27 pm
no and I have a small person sitting on my lap yelling SUPER JUMP SUPER JUMP
and not finishing her pizza
Kate 9:28 pm
hahshaaha
she is my spirit animal
except
i would have finished the pizza in the first 30 seconds
Prelude 9:29 pm
hahaha
yeah
she got distracted by puppy games on her phone
Kate 9:29 pm
oh well
then that is understandable
Prelude 9:30 pm
the problem is she still sits on my lap
and she weighs forty pounds
she is 3’6" and people think she’s a six year old
Kate 9:31 pm
she sounds exactly like my cousin sam
she’s going to be TALL
Prelude 9:31 pm
oh yeah
freakish
Kate 9:31 pm
are you and hubby tall?
Prelude 9:31 pm
oh yes
Kate 9:31 pm
both?
Prelude 9:31 pm
I’m 5’9", he’s 6’1"
Kate 9:31 pm
ahhh yess
Prelude 9:32 pm
I’m the shortest member of my family, although that may have changed
Kate 9:32 pm
but good height comparison between the two of you
Prelude 9:32 pm
My sister tells me she’s 5’7"
I do not believe
Kate 9:32 pm
i would like to be 5’7"
or even 5’5"
Prelude 9:32 pm
oh no kate are you tiny
i write Penelope as very very tiny
Kate 9:32 pm
yes, i relate
like in TA
when you wrote that bit about gordon hovering above her
i am her height
Prelude 9:33 pm
ehehehehehe
Kate 9:33 pm
so i could completely visualize it
Prelude 9:33 pm
niiiiice
i love me a good height difference
Kate 9:33 pm
i mean anyone can visualize it but i mean i have been there lil
lol
i like guys at like 5’10"
Prelude 9:33 pm
Not Too Tall
Kate 9:34 pm
the 5’9" or 5’10" is great for my height
YES EXACTLY
Prelude 9:34 pm
She wears like crazy high heels also
like she’s wearing platform stilettos half the time.
Kate 9:34 pm
right
i used to, i miss heels
Prelude 9:34 pm
i love a girl in Good Shoes
Kate 9:34 pm
i like opportunities to wear heels
i haven’t in like a full year
ME TOO!
Prelude 9:34 pm
(spoilers gordon is going to discover that he has a bit of a Shoe Thing)
Kate 9:34 pm
OH
YES
I AM READY
Prelude 9:35 pm
hahahahaha
you just sit on the sidelines and cheer everytime I say these sinful things about this very good boy
Kate 9:35 pm
because i am the biggest, biggest fan of said sinful things
Prelude 9:35 pm
good, you keep me going
Kate 9:35 pm
really, just the biggest fan
Prelude 9:35 pm
It is very helpful
Kate 9:35 pm
i will be your cheerleader
i am that peron
person
that wants the gritty stuff
i want the details
Prelude 9:36 pm
bless your heart
but also like
I don’t think I’ll ever get to SMUT territory
Kate 9:36 pm
keeps me going
Prelude 9:36 pm
I just like writing like
Kate 9:36 pm
right
Prelude 9:36 pm
passions
Kate 9:36 pm
not that i would expect you too
Prelude 9:36 pm
not that I couldn’t either
Kate 9:36 pm
but you tow the line
like where you are with TA
is
Prelude 9:36 pm
I walk that tightrope
Kate 9:36 pm
perfect
Prelude 9:36 pm
the artful cutaway
Kate 9:37 pm
b/c then it’s really all left up to the imagination
to fill in what you please
yes!
Prelude 9:37 pm
the “oh by the way I can hold my breath for four minutes and I played clarinet in highschool”
like
Kate 9:37 pm
i like that more than actual smut
Prelude 9:37 pm
subtle
yknow
Kate 9:37 pm
LOL
Prelude 9:37 pm
see, you get it 😉
Kate 9:37 pm
but you say things like"fuckfest" and it makes me happy
b/c the deed was done, but again
your imagination fills in the details
Prelude 9:38 pm
exactly
and honestly the hardest thing about writing this stuff is writing what they’re both actually doing
because I can’t just have the pair of them lying there
but i’m very bad at visualizing
I need like
a pair of very bendy barbies
artist doll things
Kate 9:39 pm
i like it when it’s right there, right at the edge, but then you (as the reader) take it there b/c we all have our own ideas and interpretations of events and what should happen and the way it happens
Prelude 9:39 pm
yeah!
Kate 9:39 pm
lol right
Prelude 9:39 pm
like, i will give you all of the bricks and all of the mortar
you fit 'em together
Kate 9:39 pm
yes, love it!
Prelude 9:40 pm
ahhh but also like
Kate 9:40 pm
aw dang
now i need more, prelude
Prelude 9:40 pm
well I mean
also like, talking about the terms of their relationship and the fact that they’re going to have a relationship or at least see what happens
Kate 9:41 pm
i need it
okay
Prelude 9:41 pm
oh man kate
if I keep it going there’s gonna be So Much drama with Scotty
Kate 9:41 pm
like romance is also my New Thing
okay
like
WAIT WAIT
WHAT ABOUT DRAMA WITH SCOTT
Prelude 9:42 pm
oh yeah
Kate 9:42 pm
TELL ME MORE
Prelude 9:42 pm
if Gordon gets Penny pregnant, Scott is gonna rip him the fuck in half
Kate 9:42 pm
BUT LIEK
like
i don’t care i need it
i need to see how it shifts the dynamics
for all of them
Prelude 9:42 pm
oh yes
it’s gonna be like, to the point of massive overreaction, almost
for a Reason
Kate 9:43 pm
but that fits with scott
i would expect that from scott
does it have to do with age
Prelude 9:43 pm
well, i think for Scott the thing is that he like
got a girl pregnant when he was in high school
Kate 9:43 pm
with scott stepping into dad role
OMG YES
keep going
i am so excited
Prelude 9:43 pm
and she didn’t keep it, and that was for the best
Kate 9:43 pm
there are 5 boys in this family you can’t tell me an oops didn’t happen at least once
Prelude 9:44 pm
But he hates himself for being so irresponsible and stupid and impulsive and young
Kate 9:44 pm
yes yes yes
the scott/gordon dynamic i am fucking HERE for it
Prelude 9:44 pm
me too
But this is also just such a huge thing for Penelope because like
her whole life
and this was just supposed to be a sort of “well we’ll see” kind of a thing
and the first impulsive night they have together, the unthinkable happened
and of course she’s not on birth control, she hasn’t been in a serious relationship in a couple of years now
And why would he have brought condoms to his grandma’s birthday party
and they both should’ve thought about the potential for this consequence, but there’s such an afterglow and it seems more important to think about their relationship and neither of them figured this could happen
Kate 9:46 pm
right right
and passion is like a real fucker
that changes everything
Prelude 9:47 pm
no pun intended
Kate 9:47 pm
HA
Prelude 9:47 pm
and they were both looking forward to that courtship phase
like
Kate 9:47 pm
but passion is a fickle bitch, it’s all about the moment
she comes for even the most sensible
Prelude 9:48 pm
the thing that’s going to happen in this chapter is that she’s going to say “okay, let’s do this right. would you rather I took you out for valentine’s day or for your birthday?”
“And would you rather go to Paris or Nice?”
Kate 9:48 pm
oh man grabby hands
i’m super excited for the scott parts of this
like
i love the g/p part too
obvs
but what scott would go through would be a big Thing
he is very emotitonal
Prelude 9:49 pm
oh yeah
Kate 9:49 pm
emotional
Prelude 9:49 pm
I think like
Gordon doesn’t know about Scott’s thing
And like
john or somebody sort of has to take him aside and quietly explain
Kate 9:50 pm
also, you may not have ever even gone here, but due to my recent obsession, that then makes me think of virgil and kayo
if they’re messing around too
to be careful
shit happens
any of them, really, i guess
Prelude 9:50 pm
oH yeah
Kate 9:50 pm
i wanna be inside scott’s head when the news comes out
Prelude 9:50 pm
no they are fanatically careful
and they are like
Kate 9:50 pm
so they are like straight up doing it though?
Prelude 9:50 pm
no, they’ve been doing this for like a year and a half
No one knows
Kate 9:50 pm
like they are THERE
Prelude 9:50 pm
Oh yeah
They are total fuckbuddies
Kate 9:50 pm
OH WAIT
really?
that long?!
Prelude 9:51 pm
oh yeah
Kate 9:51 pm
wow, that’s even ebtter
better
Prelude 9:51 pm
no, they have a Thing
They have a System
Kate 9:51 pm
also, i am super impressed that they kept it quiet for that long
Prelude 9:51 pm
Oh yeah
Kate 9:51 pm
which makes sense considering kayo
Prelude 9:51 pm
Yeah, entirely
Kate 9:51 pm
is special ops or whatever
Prelude 9:51 pm
I think Virgil’s just like
I mean
Kate 9:51 pm
but like, i dunno, i love it
Prelude 9:52 pm
I think he’s the place where everybody else goes with secrets
Kate 9:52 pm
and i kinda like looking at the various dynamics
Prelude 9:52 pm
but he’s insanely good at keeping his own
Kate 9:52 pm
of what is and what isn’t
YES
i’ve always headcanoned virgil that way too
Prelude 9:52 pm
I think Somebody might know about Virgil
hahahaha I also kind of
I mean
like
Kate 9:52 pm
wait tell me about the system
Prelude 9:52 pm
there’s a place I wanna go with Virgil
Kate 9:52 pm
i am sorry
Prelude 9:52 pm
haha I don’t know much yet
Kate 9:52 pm
i hijacked this conversation
Prelude 9:52 pm
but it’s like
no no, it’s cool
Kate 9:53 pm
from pen and ink to virgil
Prelude 9:53 pm
No, I gotchu fam
Kate 9:53 pm
and kayo lol
but i have thought lots about the first 2
Prelude 9:53 pm
I think they have like
Kate 9:53 pm
and v/k is new and exciting for me lol
WAIT THIS PLACE
TELL ME MORE
Prelude 9:53 pm
hahaha well like
I mean, it’s meant to be sort of an overall examination of relationships in the family
Kate 9:53 pm
yes yes
Prelude 9:54 pm
and how some of them know some things about each other and some of them know other things and some things are secret
Like, Scott/Jane have a secret relationship, but I think like
Alan knows or something
Alan also still kind of has a thing for Kayo, but he’s aware that it’s dumb and he needs to get over it
but he’s still gonna be really hurt if he finds out about her and virgil
Kate 9:54 pm
awww yeah
Prelude 9:54 pm
And then like
I waaaaaant
like
Kate 9:55 pm
poor ala
alan
just in general
Prelude 9:55 pm
like, there’s sort of two major ships with Virgil are V/B and V/K. and I kinda wanna go both places.
I think Virgil is bi, but people tend to assume he’s gay. And I think maybe for a while he and Brains were kind of a thing, but also with that same sort of secrecy, and not like, in the fuckbuddy kinda way. I think they did more like traditional dating, just out of curiosity.
But that hasn’t been a thing in ages, and they basically came to the conclusion that they’re happier as friends.
Kate 9:57 pm
hmmm
would you try to explore both within this universe?
Prelude 9:57 pm
I think so.
Kate 9:57 pm
like the TA universe?
wow! girl, you’ve got your work cut out for you!
Prelude 9:57 pm
Mostly just because I want Gordon to get mad as hell at Virgil, for having fooled around with the only two people on the island that they’re not related to, “you enormous lumberjack slut.”
like, i want FIGHTS
Kate 9:58 pm
hahahahahha
Prelude 9:58 pm
“you beefy plaid whore”
Kate 9:58 pm
i don’t know why, but i have a hard time seeing brains in any sort of relationship with anyone
Prelude 9:59 pm
Yeah, that’s fair
Kate 9:59 pm
maybe it’s because i never formed an attachment to him?
Prelude 9:59 pm
I hear you
Kate 9:59 pm
or because he’s always like WORK SCIENCE OOPS
Prelude 9:59 pm
I mostly like the idea of Virgil being secretive about his personal relationships to the point that people assume he doesn’t have them.
Kate 9:59 pm
but also i LOVE the insults from gordon
you beefy plaid whore HHAHAHAHA
so virgil/kayo would end up coming out?
Prelude 10:00 pm
“you flannel strumpet”
“there are two people on this island you don’t share dna with and you fucked both of them”
(he didn’t, actually)
(also scott knew about virgil/brains being a thing and this is why he thinks virgil is gay)
Kate 10:00 pm
like a total accident? how would gordon know?
i wanna see this fight
Prelude 10:00 pm
Oh yeah, they’re in better shape than anyone else
Kate 10:00 pm
hahahaha
Prelude 10:00 pm
I think it comes out in one capacity or another
Kate 10:00 pm
hahahhahahaha the insults are amazing
how would scott feel about that?
Prelude 10:00 pm
Either Virgil owns up for some reason, possibly to keep Scott from really tearing into Gordon
Kate 10:00 pm
with his whole secret jane thing
oooh
you know
that is EXACTLY what virgil would do
try to reason
Prelude 10:01 pm
i think there’s a massive blow out
Kate 10:01 pm
ooooh no
i’m getting even more invested in v.k now
Prelude 10:01 pm
and Virgil grabs John and is like “okay, I’ll take Scott, you take Gordon.”
Kate 10:01 pm
like, what happens from there
OOOH
OOOH
Prelude 10:02 pm
i think V probably goes to Kayo and says “okay, i think I need to talk to Scott about us”
Kate 10:02 pm
KEEP GOING
TELL ME MORE
Prelude 10:02 pm
And she’s like “MMMMMMM NOT SURE I DIG ON THAT, THERE IS LITERALLY A SMOKING CRATER WHERE GORDON WAS STANDING”
“yeah but that’s why we gotta”
I think John’s a bigger factor for Gordon vs the whole potential parenthood thing
because I’ll always write him as aro/ace
But he’s also the person with the closest analogue to a child, in EOS
Kate 10:04 pm
okay okay
although, scott too
Prelude 10:04 pm
Oh yeah
Kate 10:04 pm
kinda assuming father role
Prelude 10:04 pm
Oh totally
Kate 10:04 pm
oh man oh man
sarah
Prelude 10:04 pm
“I’m just telling you what Dad told me when I did this”
Kate 10:04 pm
you have no idea
the kind of feels i have right now
OH
OOOH MAN
Prelude 10:05 pm
Gordon being like “excuse me, I did not knock up a cheerleader I’d known for three weeks in the back of Grandpa’s truck when i was seventeen”
Prelude 10:06 pm
“if the great state of kansas had an age of consent any younger than sixteen, what you did would’ve been statutory”
then probably there’s some punching
Kate 10:06 pm
ooooh shit lol
yeah yeah, there’s definitely some punching
Prelude 10:07 pm
hahaha oh man
i just wrote
a line
Kate 10:07 pm
OH
DID YOU NOW
Prelude 10:07 pm
“Not much for sleeping late, then?” she inquires, curious more than she is critical. “Personally, I’ve got a terrible fondness for a good lie-in.”
“I get nervous when I don’t know what time it is,” he admits, a little sheepishly. “I mean—it doesn’t matter. S’just…I dunno, I’m all hungover. And we’re supposed to be outta here by noon. And—and I don’t mean to keep coming back to it, but my entire family, Penelope. Right outside your bedroom door. My grandmother. We weren’t supposed to get her anything, but like…happy birthday, Grandma! I slept with our London Agent.”
“Well, if it helps, it was well after midnight before anything of consequence actually happened.” Penelope tilts her head slightly (adorably), and seems bemused by the concept. “But then, it does beg the question—is that something she would consider a gift?”
Gordon shrugs. “There’s a reason Grandma rhymes with drama.”
On the topic of drama, her answering sigh is exaggerated, but tolerant. “Yes, because you’re an American and you pronounce everything incorrectly.”
Kate 10:08 pm
lol
penny
but seriously, i LOVE this
and i love the direction it’s going
and i love everything i know about the overall shakeup for the family
Prelude 10:09 pm
oh yes
I’m very excited
Kate 10:09 pm
i can’t describe to you how excited i am for all of this!!!
Prelude 10:10 pm
hahaha good!
motivate me!
Kate 10:10 pm
how?!?! i’ve done LOTS of screaming!!!
lol
Prelude 10:11 pm
hahaha i mean you are!
you are super motivating me
Kate 10:11 pm
YAYAYAYAY!!!
i’m a sucker for relationships
and analyzing them
throwing wrenches into them lol
Prelude 10:11 pm
yeah!
also Gordon and Grandma and “grandma i fucked up”
and just
like
Kate 10:12 pm
OH my gosh yes!!!
Prelude 10:12 pm
being so upset at how this changes what he thought was goign to play out
like, he wanted the chance to fall in love with her
i mean, more in love with her
but like, to do it Right
Kate 10:13 pm
right, follow kind of the natural course
Prelude 10:13 pm
and to have to figure out how to make their relationship work out between their respective jobs
because I also think she’s like
“I don’t want an abortion”
Kate 10:14 pm
and the added pressure of distance
Prelude 10:14 pm
I kind of don’t think that’s in her nature
Kate 10:14 pm
or how to come together
like at least v/k are on the same island
Prelude 10:14 pm
yeah, exactly
Kate 10:14 pm
i would assume too, for penny, there’s some sort of expectation of how things should be
like, from a social standpoint
from a name standpoint
Prelude 10:15 pm
Yeah, exactly
she’s just like
staring down the barrel of this scandal
and like
she’s run into a crumbling south american temple without batting an eye
but this scares her
Kate 10:16 pm
yes
that makes perfect sense
things are going to change moving forward, forever
but there’s really no way of knowing how things will play out
Prelude 10:16 pm
And their family is so private
like so incredibly private
she’s lived her whole life in the public eye and he just hasn’t
aaaaaah
and like
man
Kate 10:17 pm
yesss
there are so many factors at play
Prelude 10:18 pm
he wants so much to do right by her, and like, he already loves her enough to marry her
but now he doesn’t know if he should ask
or what she’d say if he did
or if she wants that
Kate 10:18 pm
and emotions are so high that i’d think that’d impact a lot
like as far as asking for marriage
Prelude 10:18 pm
also preggo hormones
yeah, exactly
and like
Penny being told that she can’t do that secret side of her job any more
she has to be just a socialite
Kate 10:19 pm
and i’d think maybe this might challenge the nature of their jobs?
for anyone involved?
Prelude 10:19 pm
oh yeah
Gordon’s gonna get benched
Kate 10:19 pm
yeeeep
good thing they don’t need him for things like deep sea rig explosions
Prelude 10:20 pm
wELL
not like Penny can do it either
Kate 10:20 pm
right
but that’s what i mean
they both do these kinds of things
Prelude 10:20 pm
exactly
Kate 10:20 pm
but now adding a child brings in a whole lot more to think about and i am thrilled to see how it plays out!!!
Prelude 10:20 pm
and now they both have each other
on the sidelines
Kate 10:20 pm
ahhhhhh!!!
Prelude 10:20 pm
yeah!!!
i gotta!!!
write it!!!
Kate 10:20 pm
on the sidelines
YES
and the virgil/kayo
Prelude 10:21 pm
“go have a tea party with penny or whatever it is she does”
oh yeah
Kate 10:21 pm
i hope you know
you’ve created a monster
and i will NEVER let this go
even if it takes YEARS AND YEARS
Prelude 10:21 pm
I think v/k going like “…well should we try and be a thing now? like a real thing? like stuff is changing, should we take that opportunity?”
Kate 10:21 pm
i’ll always be there, whispering in your ear
HAHAHA
Prelude 10:21 pm
“…what if we don’t work as a thing?”
Kate 10:21 pm
YES YES
and it would be virgil that makes the proposition, yes?
Prelude 10:22 pm
Oh yeah
oh man
Grandma taking Gordon aside and being like “the only reason your mother and father got together was because Scott was conceived in a hayloft when your dad was twenty-one, he can get off his high-horse.”
“And there are five of you and your parents loved each other more than anything.”
Kate 10:22 pm
was it intiially like, one of them that said ‘let’s just keep it where it’s at’ or like, very adamantly keep it as fuckbuddies on the dl
Prelude 10:22 pm
“this doesn’t have to be a disaster”
Kate 10:23 pm
YES
Prelude 10:23 pm
I think Kayo is a little bit scared to be caught keeping another secret from the boys.
Kate 10:23 pm
GRANDMA FOR THE WIN
Prelude 10:23 pm
and also being like
“your dad never meant for IR to be your entire lives”
Kate 10:23 pm
at least she has virgil in it with her
and if anyone is sensible in that family, it’s virgil
yes 😔
ir really is literally everything
Prelude 10:23 pm
“you’re meant to have partners, you’re meant to have your own futures, you’re meant to grow up and learn how to make this a part of your lives and not the totality”
And like
Kate 10:24 pm
impacts ALL areas of their lives
Prelude 10:24 pm
the core of the reason why any of them keep these secrets at all
is because they’re afraid of how it would impact IR
and Dad’s legacy
Kate 10:24 pm
oh my gosh sarah i am fucking here for it and fucking pumped!!!
Prelude 10:24 pm
and none of them want to be the guy to ruin that.
hahahahaha
ily kate you complete me
Kate 10:24 pm
<3
Prelude 10:24 pm
i am down to talk about this always
Kate 10:24 pm
ME FUCKING TOO
cuz see, you’re looking at what comes next, and what happens later, not just right now
and i fucking APPRECIATE THAT
Prelude 10:25 pm
oh yeah
I am a Big Picture Person
and I am very much about the interplay of all these relationships
Kate 10:25 pm
ugh me too
Prelude 10:25 pm
and how these different connections form
and also like
Kate 10:25 pm
YES
Prelude 10:25 pm
unexpected connections
Kate 10:25 pm
and they’re all getting older
Prelude 10:25 pm
Like
Kate 10:25 pm
and things change
Prelude 10:25 pm
exactly!
like it’s so significant that Gordon goes to her intially because he’s like “i need to start getting over you”
Prelude 10:26 pm
and she’s like “well first you’re gonna be under me for a bit”
Kate 10:26 pm
and if they’ve found someone that they could make a life with, it’s important
that those things happen
Kate 10:26 pm
b/c of fulfillment and everything
Prelude 10:26 pm
exactly!
and like
This is the break scott’s been waiting for, even if he doesn’t realize it
And he’s gonna be in this massive funk and he’s gonna be like “I’M GOING OUT FOR SOME AIR”
Kate 10:27 pm
YES!
KEEP GOING
KEEP GOING
Prelude 10:27 pm
and he’s going to fly across the globe to whatever airport Jane is spending the night in and be like
Kate 10:27 pm
GOOOOO
KEEP GOING
Prelude 10:27 pm
“my fucking little idiot brother knocked up an english socialite”
Kate 10:27 pm
omg omg
Prelude 10:27 pm
“let’s get MARRIED.”
Kate 10:27 pm
i love this
Prelude 10:27 pm
“that’ll teach him.”
Kate 10:27 pm
this is literally what i live for omg
ahhahahahaha
scott
Prelude 10:27 pm
“he’s not the only stupid impulsive idiot in the family”
Kate 10:28 pm
hahahaha
i love it omg
Prelude 10:28 pm
And Jane’s gonna be like “slow your roll, babe 😃 "
“ily but you’re dumb as hell when you’re mad.”
like
that Scott’s found someone outside the family
who does what Virgil does for him in IR
in like an emotional capacity
Kate 10:29 pm
YESSS
omg
beautiful
i love love love these things
Prelude 10:29 pm
saaaaame
Kate 10:29 pm
and like, above all else, these boys DESERVE this
Prelude 10:29 pm
yeah!!!
Kate 10:29 pm
they deserve love
and something to indulge in
and get that ultimate fullillment
outside of what they know
Prelude 10:30 pm
and also I want Penny to go to John first with the news that she’s pregnant
because bffs
and also I think he’s just who she calls when she’s in trouble
Kate 10:30 pm
that makes sense and i thought she would
cuz
bffs
hahahaha
Prelude 10:30 pm
well and also because that was where she went when she first kissed Gordon
Kate 10:30 pm
right
follows patterns
Prelude 10:30 pm
and i live for callbacks yes
also i just like
Kate 10:31 pm
yes
i’m like in my glory right now
thinking about it all
Prelude 10:32 pm
really love that she would trust him and would be correct in trusting him and that he’d be the person to say “well, I will help you handle this however you want to handle this and no one else has to know”
“but also please don’t keep this from Gordon, because if he ever finds out any other way he’ll literally die.”
“i cannot explain the degree to which this would hurt him and i know you don’t want to hurt him.”
Kate 10:32 pm
yessss
yes
Prelude 10:32 pm
also parker is going to be Furious
Kate 10:33 pm
ooh i never really even thought about parker!
Prelude 10:33 pm
yeah, I keep remembering him at the last second
Kate 10:33 pm
there are so many players involved and so many lines to follow
so many people impacted
Prelude 10:33 pm
yessssss
i live for that shit
hwd is like that
Kate 10:34 pm
like, nothing anyone in this family does only impacts that person
Prelude 10:34 pm
so complicated
so many relationships
Kate 10:34 pm
or that couple
there are repercussions for EVERYTHING any of them do that impact EVERYONE else
Prelude 10:34 pm
Exactly
and deep down at the core of it, it’s just that they all want to protect each other
Kate 10:34 pm
yes
comes from a good place
and i’ll never think they’re in the wrong for wanting something more
Prelude 10:35 pm
and also none of them can BELIEVE that they’ve all been keeping these sorts of secrets with varying degrees of success
Kate 10:35 pm
i did laundry today and i missed one half of 6 pairs of socks lol
Prelude 10:35 pm
hahaha
Kate 10:35 pm
right!?!?!?!
Prelude 10:35 pm
skillz
Kate 10:36 pm
like, the kayo/virgil one is kind of mind blowing based on sheer length
and thought that goes into it
and keeping sage
safe
Prelude 10:36 pm
oh yeah
Kate 10:36 pm
and secret
like shit
Prelude 10:36 pm
they’re both just like
I think they almost get more satisfaction out of the secrecy of it
than any other aspect
Kate 10:36 pm
it’s kind of daunting lol
Prelude 10:36 pm
Like the sex is fine and great and whatever
But what’s almost more fun is that they’ve gotten away with it for so long
they’re both kind of competitive
and they work really well together as a team
and Virgil likes getting one over on his brothers
and Kayo feels incomplete if she’s not keeping SOMETHING secret
like
it probably started up shortly after they found out about her uncle
like
Kate 10:37 pm
oooh
Prelude 10:37 pm
if that’s the way the context of their relationship changes
like that whole sort of
“well, at least now it’s easier not to feel like we’re the only family you have”
Kate 10:38 pm
oooh yes
yes yes
dude there is so much to explore
Prelude 10:38 pm
I knoooooow
Kate 10:38 pm
also like
how the hell do they keep quiet?
in the literal sense
Prelude 10:38 pm
it’s a big island
Kate 10:38 pm
on an island
eh true
i bet they have A Place
Prelude 10:39 pm
little huts on the beach
TB2 is Pretty Big
Kate 10:39 pm
but also like, if something really tough happens, do they sometimes just NEED tht touch, that reassurance
i think they got the best end of the stick
Prelude 10:39 pm
(hahaha Gordon: “IN THE CO PILOT’S SEAT. I SIT THERE.”)
Kate 10:39 pm
they’re both right there
HAHAHAHAHAH
hahhahaha
i love it so much
Prelude 10:40 pm
“ALAN’S SAT THERE.”
“YOU’VE TAINTED OUR BABY BROTHER.”
Kate 10:40 pm
i don’t understand how my laundry piles up so quickly
HAHAHAHAHAHA
gordon questioning literally everywhre
Prelude 10:41 pm
“in MY POOL.”
“DRAIN THE POOL.”
Kate 10:41 pm
hhHAHAHAHA this is my favorite part of that relationship
everyone else finding out
and gordon with his insults
SO ENTERTAINING
and i wonder if virgil keeping that sort of secret, in light of gordon seeking him out for a similar type of secret, would lead to some hurt feelings
or if he’d be like, i gotchya bro
Prelude 10:42 pm
oh man
i think the thing with Virgil is that like
everybody trusts him
but he also tells Kayo everything
Because couples just do that.
Kate 10:42 pm
right, which she even told gordon LOL
Prelude 10:43 pm
exactly
and so the thing with Virgil is going to be less that he kept his own secret
and more that he didn’t keep anyone else’s.
Kate 10:43 pm
and like, even if they’re calling it ‘just a thing’ if it’s been a year and a half, like, they’re invested
Prelude 10:43 pm
oh yeah
no, more than either of them realize
Kate 10:44 pm
that’s the shit i am 100% here for
gawd i’m a total slut for that shit
Prelude 10:45 pm
ehehehe
man and like
the idea that maybe the secrecy was the only thing that kept them going
Kate 10:45 pm
also like, friends with benefits is great in theory
but i really think it’s more of a short term thing
Prelude 10:45 pm
I think he’d probably try to argue that they haven’t ever been that.
they’re definitely more than friends
Kate 10:45 pm
and when you don’t see them super often
Prelude 10:46 pm
like, her being really vulnerable to people knowing something so personal about her
Kate 10:46 pm
yes yes i think so too
that’s a super vulnerable position to be in
to even open yourself up to someone that much
and put that kind of trust in them
Prelude 10:46 pm
and him being like “we’re still your family, you can still trust us”
“nothing’s going to change about the way they feel about you”
and her being like “literally everything will change about the way they feel about me.”
Kate 10:47 pm
right and more than friends i think has a really high probability of leading to more over time
i think it was bound to happen
Prelude 10:47 pm
yeah, entirely
Kate 10:47 pm
they’re both right
Prelude 10:47 pm
I think the best place she could get to by the end of it would be “willing to try with a high hope of success”
Kate 10:47 pm
but like not in the way they expect, i think
Prelude 10:47 pm
yeah for sure
Kate 10:47 pm
i mean, this is just me thinking about it
obvs
Prelude 10:48 pm
no totally, I need thinking about it
Kate 10:48 pm
also, i had a friends with benefits thing that turned into something more and it was a fucking mess
so
Prelude 10:48 pm
Ooh
see
like
Kate 10:48 pm
that kind of impacts, for me, the way i see this playing out
Prelude 10:48 pm
the thing with me
Kate 10:48 pm
also
Prelude 10:48 pm
is that i have been in one (1) relationship
Kate 10:48 pm
why i am so attached to this idea of v/k
and it just happened to be with virgil
Prelude 10:48 pm
and it has lasted for 14 years and we have a kid
Kate 10:48 pm
but like, the relationship itself is what got me hooked
right, which by the way is fucking amazing!!!
Prelude 10:49 pm
hahaha thank you
we got very lucky
Kate 10:49 pm
from my experience, and that that friends have had, it’s never easy, and it’s rarely clean
Prelude 10:49 pm
entirely
Kate 10:49 pm
even if the agreement is made at the beginning that it’s a ‘whatever will happen’
feelings change
damn, memories lol
you did get very lucky
i think, i am also at the age, the ripe old age of 28, where these things are making a much larger impact on me
like, the idea of finding someone or something as the next step
28 is a Year, man
Prelude 10:51 pm
oh yeah
what the hell you’re only 28
you baby
you infant
Prelude 10:53 pm
I’m 29, and I’m going to be 30 so I can say these things
Kate 10:53 pm
i was about to sya
i am pretty sure you are not much older than me
lololol
Prelude 10:53 pm
no, i am not
but like
I think that’s where Scott’s at
I think he had a FWB thing with Jane
but it turned into “well, now you’re the person I want to talk to at the end of every day”
“even if you’re on the other side of the world”
“and even if this is the least physical relationship I’ve ever had”
“And usually I rely on that more than I rely on the other thing”
Prelude 10:56 pm
I think Scott’s been waiting for his moment
for like this big reveal and whatever
and he thinks that “I have a secret girlfriend and today is our six month anniversary” is going to be a big deal
but possibly Gordon swipes that out from under him with “I got Penelope pregnant.”
Kate 10:57 pm
yes yes, that was one of my first thoughts, actually
i feel like, scott’s secret is actually the last on the OH SHIT reveal list
like, in order:
Prelude 10:58 pm
oh yeah
Kate 10:58 pm
1: pregnant
2: 1.5 years sneaking around IN THE SAME HOUSE
3: 6 month relationship, not so physical
Prelude 10:58 pm
but like!
the shame of it is, Scott’s so damn proud of himself
because I think they started out as like
Kate 10:58 pm
right!!
Prelude 10:59 pm
she was just someone he’d bootycall occasionally
and then it just got to be more
Kate 10:59 pm
and it’s good for him to have found that anchor
Prelude 10:59 pm
and his relationships don’t usually get to the “more” stage
I think that was the mistake he made in highschool
Kate 10:59 pm
it is all very exciting
Prelude 10:59 pm
like he was seventeen and ready to marry this stupid girl
Kate 10:59 pm
but even with him, there are more complications
Prelude 10:59 pm
and her parents were like “NOPE.”
Kate 10:59 pm
b/c they do not live near each other
so as far as more goes
that can be hard, i’d imagine!
Prelude 10:59 pm
yeah, entirely
I mean, I did the LDR thing for a few years with the husband
Kate 11:00 pm
dude and he (scott) totally would have
Prelude 11:00 pm
entirely
he was young and stupid and he thought he was in love
it would’ve been a dISASTER though
Kate 11:00 pm
aww poor scott
lol yeah
he wouldn’t be where he is!
Prelude 11:01 pm
no!
Kate 11:01 pm
and like the dynamics of the entire family would have changed!!!
Prelude 11:01 pm
and he would’ve had a horrible marriage that lasted a terribly short time and would’ve ended in a messy divorce
because he cares way too much
like, the way it worked out is still the best way it could’ve worked out
but like, he also got a vasectomy as soon as it was reasonably possible
(aaaaugh but also Grandma and Gordon sitting side by side at the edge of the pool, and he is just DEVASTATED.)
(because Scott came down on him so hard, and even in spite of everything there’s this tiny tiny tiny little part of him that wants to be excited)
(that thinks this is new and amazing and wonderful and maybe it means something)
(and maybe it could be okay)
(but like, Scott pulled the roof down on his head and made him feel like a bad person)
(for something that was a mistake/accident)
Kate 11:04 pm
yesssss
yes i see all of that
Prelude 11:04 pm
(and grandma being like “you know, you remind me very much of your brother and very much of your father right now, because I have been right here with both of them, and Scott was the cause of one of those situations and the result of the other. so don’t worry kiddo. it all works out.”)
('i’m going to have a very very pretty great grandbaby. those creighton-wards have some excellent genes.”)
Kate 11:05 pm
hahaa yes
Prelude 11:05 pm
(“and don’t tell your brothers, but you’re the cute one.”)
Kate 11:05 pm
i do love grandma tracy
HA HAHA
Prelude 11:05 pm
(“best possible baby. let me get my phone, let’s look at your baby pictures.”)
Kate 11:06 pm
hahaha yes
the comedic relief that is very much needed
Prelude 11:07 pm
For sure
Kate 11:07 pm
but also proof that things will be okay
or that they can be okay
that it can work out
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