#'how will we know who are the real goths' does it matter I've been bullied by fake emos and real emos LIEKKKK

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"😔subcultures are dead certain styles/clothes dont mean what they used to anymore" I'm gonna be an honest and hated queer for a second here but I really dont care even a little

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About Joan (Clone High)

Can we talk about Joan for a moment? Because I've been seeing comments about her being "insufferable" from fans (a lot from TikTok), because of season 2. And it was mostly how "annoying" or "Weird" she became from the episode when she found how JFK and Harriet kiss. People said the writers are doing that to push Abe and her together. But! 🧐

I just want to point out that Joan isn't a bad character from this season. If we look at season 1, she was bullied, an outcast, and had no one to talk to. You can say Gahndi and Abe were her "best friends" but you see it time and time again how much they ignore her, or say dumb shit to her. Of course, Abe with his obsession at the time was Cleo. Basically, Joan had no one (besides her foster grandpa). She had no girl friends to share deep emotions or have fun.

So when season 2 came, I love how they did the whole switch of an average chill girl is the popular girl, things are nicer and they care more on social problems. Which Joan had always advocated from season 1, she like to talk about serious matters (like every goth character on a cartoon show).

Anyway this part I thought we should understand that Joan should have the right to be a goofy teenager. She never had the chance in Season 1. She finally had two female friends that trusted her and cares for her. Which to her it's all new. New emotions, putting trust on other teenage girls (when she was bullied from them too), and to get that closure. It's all new and it's fair for her to be overbearing, to do too much because she never had that.

That episode when Harriet was making her play, Joan kept going at her about these changes. Joan didn't know when to stop, because she thought if she keeps giving Harriet ideas, she'll be a good friend, and that's all Joan every wants. She wants to be a good girl friend.

I believe the reason for her to be so forgiven with JFK and Harriet is because she doesn't want to lose them. JFK being her first boyfriend, who actuals wants her (unlike Abe in season 1). We see JFK really loving her (even tho he did kiss Harriet, it's a bit rocky subject), but he does love her and always want her to be happy. (Its my fav ship too 😭)

Let's point out the fact is Joan is a teenager, teenagers go through emotions fast, being unsure and wants to be liked. It's normal and everyone has done it. I feel like she was the most real one to be so forgiving of JFK and Harriet. And we see how she was upset with Abe, she put too much trust on him and got upset when he wasn't honest with her. Teenage emotions, nothing wrong from it.

As we go to the last episode, I felt like Joan had the right to feel upset when Frida let go of her hand to save Cleo. (Love CleoxFrida btw 😌 such a cute pair) I thought Joan had the right to be upset because she was so happy to be part of all girl group, the four amigas! She never felt so happy to be part of something so special, and probably never thought she would. I think it's fine for her to felt betray because we see this time and time again, she's alway pushed aside and never been a thought.

Now, we can talk about how she has her yelling at Frida for choosing Cleo. But we saw how Frida and Harriet were upset, practically in tears. Even Frida questioned her decision. Joan didn't believe it because Cleo was the first choice. Cleo had always been the first choice, so for Joan it felt like nothing has change, this is probably going through her mind. However Frida did point out it wasn't an easy choice and she asked, "What if it was your close friend and the love of your life?" Because Joan might've done the same thing (we don't know for sure).

We can talk about the end where she became the Lone Wolf, but that's teenage anger. She felt upset, betrayed, scared to be on her own. Like every person we own up to that to be the badass. I'm not saying she had the right to do what she did but it's understandable. In the end she did save everyone too, and the sad part when all her friends found out she put them there- Karma. Yet it's sad to think the next season she'll be an outcast or hated when we saw she save her friends all the time and tries to fix her wrongs.

I just think Joan is a very interesting character from both season and had the most challenges. I don't think she was annoying, or out of wack. She's learning how to make friends, give love and try to fit in. I just hope next season she won't get too much hate.