#“wilderness i hope shauna doesnt die”

[27spoons]

DOUBLE TAKE (16/19) JASMIN SAVOY BROWN and SOPHIE NÉLISSE as TAISSA TURNER and SHAUNA SHIPMAN Yellowjackets | 2.06— Qui

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love this this kinda amusing ongoing theme where some characters are so unable to accept that passive violence is STILL violence. i mean its exactly what tai's entire crisis was about. because yes arguing that someone should die does feel very different to shooting them point blank but you're still just as complict. you're still the reason they're dead. shauna is somehow arguably one of the most sane characters simply because she seems to have fully accepted their reality. she doesnt use the wilderness as an excuse for her actions or just hope that someone else will do what "needs to be done". she just does it. its not like she even seems to enjoy committing the act itself. its just a job, a necessity like butchering an animal for food. i think even asking for coach to be burnt was much more about the facade shes putting on for the others. like she wouldnt say no to it, but i dont think she ever actually believed the others would agree to burning him alive. its more that shauna figured out a while ago its much better to have people look at you with fear than with pity, especially in a setting like this. so she might as well turn her pain into rage and let it run wild. fear holds more power.

and thats why the knife is so symbolic of shauna, especially this season, because shes always been the one who has to get in close, feel the blood on her hands. when coach yelled at them that they couldnt even look him in the eye he was wrong. shauna was looking. shes the only one whose not afraid to and honestly that just makes sense. when javi died she pulled her headband over her eyes to make that first cut but ultimately it probably made no difference. at some point she would have had to look and when she did it was still him, he was still dead, she still let him die, and worst of all she still had to seperate his flesh from his bones. it was all still true whether she looked or not. reality must have hit shauna like a fucking train in that moment, seeing the cuts she'd blindly made on his body. how could she see javi like that and still try to delude herself that shes a good person, or that this world would reward her for kindness and empathy when it didnt reward javi. so she just accepts that this is her role. and now we have melissa making a sheath for the knife, which is also very symbolic because melissa is the sheath. she supports shauna, makes it easier for her to carry it all, for her to keep that brutal side close and easily acessible. (wouldnt be surprised if melissa ended up branded with an S too tbh)

so yeah shaunas fucking terrifying right now but ultimately thats because shes the reality of everything thats happened to them made manifest. shes the non believer who bloodies her hands to feed them whilst they avert their eyes and thank the wilderness. she creates the unrecognisible chunks of meat so they dont have to face the truth. and if shes representative of reality then shes exactly what almost everyone else is so scared of confronting. that this experience has changed them forever, that they're all killers to some degree. its probably a big reason shauna became so isolated. because the others just couldnt bear to try and understand her experiences or even truly look at her. and tbh when they're all just kids and the situations so dire you cant even really blame them for that. shauna doesnt just represent how bad things got, but also how much worse it could become. the possibility that one day they wont be able to explain away their actions via the wilderness, fate, or even necessity, and when that happens it really is over. they can never go home.

[hangsawoman]

wilderness i hope shauna doesnt die WHAT THE FUCK WHY WOULD YOU SAY DIE

[stanheightis]

ok im done yellowjackets and i have a LOT of thoughts! (MAJOR YELLOWJACKETS SEASON 1&2 SPOILERS!!!!)

- why do yall hate travis sm?? like i KNOW he said some shit in s1 that was unfavourable, but hes not THAT BAD??? had me thinking he was gonna be evil NO!! hes a CHILD!!! on top of this, why is travnat like shunned in this fandom, i dont think its THAT bad, but im not their biggest fan

- i dont get the hype over lottienat.. 😓 i think its js cause i dont really like lottie that much and i LOVE nat like shes so me but i dont get it truly (i take it back lfmao, lottie is NAWTT my gal)

- JACKIE. FUCKING. TAYLOR. i love you, you died too soon queen rip ✊ jackieshauna u will always be famous

- I WILL BE A D1 SHAUNA DEFENDER IDCCC when i watched the first episode like last year i didnt rly like her WHAT WAS I DOING i love u shauna shipman u deserve BETTER.

- taivan… my beloveds taivan… you are too beautiful for this i love you so much taivan. doomed yuri at its finest

- i saw someone said travnat is just straightified toxic yuri and i cant unsee that lmfao

- do people hate callie??? if so, i will be her BIGGEST FAN IDCCCC im that entire families n1 defender ok like they deserve betterrrrr omfggggd like callie is just a teen!! shes a KID!!! she wanted to HELP!!!

- if this show ends up being a supernatural type show i might deadass drop it, like i think it would be SO much more interesting if it was psychological instead of supernatural

- LOTTIELEE!!!! lottielee my babies they were just the first 2 to go insane and found solace in each other and laura lee haunts lottie!! i am a sucker for haunting other characters

- what ben did was justified i understand him cuz i KNOW their asses were gonna eat him next

- okay i might be wrong but if they had actually been MOVING in one direction since the start of the show, they wouldve had to have found civilization by that point. ik theyre deep in the canadian wilderness but people still live somewhere up there/people wouldve been up there during summertime, they were bound to find SOMEONE but NO!! they stayed in one spot and resorted to eating each other. i dont wanna say its their fault but..

- this one might be a little controversial and contrary to my previous posts, but i found the adult storyline more entertaining a few times as opposed to the kids one.

- misty.. i have such mixed feelings on her, i dont think a character has ever pissed me off while simultaneously rootinf for her sometimes ever wtf what an amazinf character

- i think jeff was unironically the funniest character in the show soley due to his line delivery

- shauna going from protecting javi to having to be the one to cut him up 🙁

- actually, i think ill forever hold a grudge against all them (besides nat and shauna) for WATCHING JAVI DIE??? man fuck the opps fr

- ok i see people sayinf that 8 people survived the wilderness but whos the last like ks the 8 ppl thing fake?? cuz ik shauna, nat, misty, tai, van, lottie and travis all survived then whos the 8th?? (hoping its ben🙏)

- we need more confirmed sapphics

- last thing i think but whats up w tai and the “other one”?? cuz i looked up if it was DID, and it was confirmed no (rightfully so, that would be a HORRIBLE stereotype) but im so confused on what it COULD be 😭

- OKAY ONE LAST THING the alive ones always talk about “what they did” in the wilderness, and how they dont want the secret out, but was it actually confirmed on what it was?? cuz it doesnt rly make sense if it IS the cannibalism because i dont think people are that stupid, and probably just ASSUME thats what happened. is it the cult maybe?? it could be HOW they went on deciding who would be eaten next maybe, cuz thats probably not how others would decide??

- speakinf on the choosing scenes, both had me STRESSINGGG

[sanctifiedandfree]

yj s3 finale thoughts

ignoring melissa bc shes like a non-character the only adult i didnt really care about was van.... everybody else was like soooo compelling but it really felt to me like the best scene we got from her was on the jet at the end & thats mostly bc teen van was there & shes like. actually interesting

lottie is everything to me but i hate callie for killing her, im honestly sick of shaunas fam the one thing that made them fun to have on the show was being ride or die for shauna in spite of everything she did

back to lottie tho i love the time/dream stuff going on with her and i fully believe she walked over the pit. im a wilderness truther idc what anyone says. the way she desperately wanted to hunt a teammate apparently was honestly shocking to me and the way her dying vision was the sleepwalking dream she had immediately before it happened!!!!!! wtf!!!!! i just love her so much

also love the potential for wanting to hunt so badly bc she wanted to be the one chosen. she lit up at the draw and totally fell flat when she wasnt picked. then when callie pushed her down the stairs she lit up again. & i do love this for her like i loveeeeee her fascination with It et al & figuring out the mystery of it all/getting to the root of what happened to them & why its still haunting them both psychologically but also possibly literally. but i also know how her actress felt about being killed off so maybe its a cop out on the writers part. but im not getting into all that.

tai is rly good i liked how (esp w the pilot rewatch) it literally did come full circle with her inadvertently causing harm to someone she didnt intend to.... ep 1 with that girls leg & now with mari. i also liked how she ate vans heart. like both her and shauna are fully embracing all sides of themselves at the end of the season it seems but i hope they end up back on the same side bc theyre so similar in that regard and i like the girls banded together. like yes it was shaunas idea to go to alexs house which made them run into melissa but misty is the one that stopped them and had them pick her up on the way. and AGAIN ultimately melissa is the one that killed her. but tai trying to cope with vans murder and kind of falling back into the orbit of It is so good

im glad misty is standing up to shauna now she desperately needed to. and im glad she got callie to confess. normally im a misty stan but i do not feel theres much for me to say rn bc i want the band back together etc etc

shauna im not sure how im feeling bc it was so satisfying seeing the scene of her reading the letter and finally crying remembering the people she recently killed or lost, but the way they wrote everyone else not enjoying the hunt at all and its like literally just shauna and lottie (for diff reasons but yk) is annoying. like obvs tai just ate a heart as an adult she probably had some sort of thrill (/neutral) in it and she didnt want to go home either. misty did want to go home but doesnt seem to have any qualms whatsoever about taking part in the "feast"

i think shauna is like in this gray zone of enjoying power and kind of thriving despite (or maybe partially because of) everyones apparent hatred of her. bc she remembers it sooo fondly but also she is obvs not having the best time when we see it actually happening, shes paranoid and alone and knows that nobody is really standing with her. so idk if i want the truth to be that everyone did enjoy it to some degree or if i want her to realize that it was mostly her & she just likes being hated as long as it means people are seeing and accepting all of her and she doesnt have to hide those parts of herself. i feel like shes so mean and confrontational bc she cant let herself truly be vulnerable or she'll totally fall apart. or maybe im projecting lol but i feel her in that regard

mari. UGHHHHHH MARIIIIIIII MY GIRLLLLLL i loved her so much. i was so so fond of her by the end. pit girl shouldve been hannah shes a poser. also the whole pilot scene felt so much worse actually knowing who it is she did NOT deserve all that. mari was so funny and such a teen and she feels real in a way that like.... nat for example doesnt. mari was unabashedly herself and didnt tone down her personality at all for anyone. rip queen

akilah initially helping lottie so they could hunt (which. wow. the dedication to lottie/appeasing the wilderness in that moment knowing HOW much she cared abt the animals, and she brought it up herself) but then like coming to a full realization that the consequence will be maris death & almost killing lottie in retaliation was amazing i want to see more of akilah next season in the aftermath of all this. like she is so in love with Life and to come that close to killing someone shows the impact everything is having on her

i was like who am i forgetting oh yeah nat. nat is the opposite of van for me i dont find teen her interesting at ALL i literally only like her as an adult and shes gone now so :/ like u know shes kind of a boring character when coach is like youre not like these other girls you dont belong here. okay. umm youre in the wilderness and everyone is kinda losing it theres absolutely no way you havent done anything questionable but shes written like an angel as a teen and her adult story is soooooo much better in comparison. it always felt like teen nat was channeling the CONCEPTS of justice and reason (aka hollow, no personality) & in a way that was like... shes one of the guys, & the guys (for the most part) have not really partaken or believed in anything the rest of the girls are doing, so nat is gonna be the Good One, the incorruptible girl & that is so fundamentally boring to me. not to hate ik a ton of ppl like her but i just dont get it. thats_my_opinion.wav

the whole thing w travis talking ab shauna & jackie felt out of left field lol but maybe that was just me. cool that its kinda confirmed bc the first few episodes were SO clearly showing that shauna was in love w her but its kinda small in light of the rest of the episode imo

& finally i love that jackie whispering to shauna in a half-sleep state was the signal for the first snow. amazing beautiful poetic FULL circle

[innerloverwonderland]

some thoughts about shauna and wilderness baby, i think is interesting that with how much those girls, especially lottie, wanted and hoped for that baby all their wishes and pray and sacrifices during the birth are not to save the baby, they're for shauna's life, mari says so with her incapabilly to read a room, she aks that shauna doesnt die, travis cuts his hand for shauna, misty goes there for shauna. they still care more about their friend than a baby they dont know yet

[alicentsgf]

I think you are one of the few that don’t characterize Jackie as a total loser and a terrible leader. Like this girl led a team of underdogs to Nationals! I love Tai, but with her approach the team wouldn’t have made it to even the quarter finals. Unfortunately, what hasn’t been canonically established (as they did with Lottie) is that Jackie is depressed. The difference between the wilderness and the real world is that in the real world she had a facade to maintain and a goal to work towards, and her person by her side - and that does majorly help when you are depressed, it’s what makes you get up in the morning. In the wilderness she had no transferable skills (perfectionism doesn’t help matters here either), she then lost all hope (Laura Lee), and then she also lost Shauna. We never get to see what Shauna wrote in her diary, but I doubt Jackie would have been crying that much if it was only about Jeff and Brown. Shauna must have written something profoundly abhorrent about Jackie. And losing your person in that version of hell, when you also have a mental condition? Jackie had no chance.

oh my god this is so real. if i said it actually might be one of the only things i see that has the power to actually piss me off? luckily i dont see that characterisation of her very much because i curate my space pretty well.

what gets me is its so fundamental to understanding the show that people know how pivotal jackies downfall and death was to all of the characters, not just shauna. jackie was Influence, like coach martinez says in the pilot. specifically for the girls shes the influence of society/civilisation - its after her death that the wilderness religion and their new little, brutal society can actually form. (its why its so crazy to me they call on jackie to guide them, as if she was going to guide them anywhere but back home lmao) why do we think nat, the person who tries so hard to lead them home, is the one still referencing jackie as their captain even a year after her death? that to me is so clearly a comment on what jackie represents.

actually answered an ask before about jackies mindset and why, whilst being exceptional for elite sports, it maybe doesnt translate well to the wilderness: X

I know we only get an episode with the Jackie of before. the one whose seemingly in control, who has influence, who knows how to make everyone feel seen (except shauna, which is her downfall). so maybe people forget, but we're shown so clearly in that time who she is. what she can do. tai may have been a great strategist but honestly i can tell you right now that doesnt win you tournaments, togetherness does. your gameplan can be top shelf, but its not gonna work if your players dont have trust and an understanding of each other. jackie was who could bring that, as long as she had hope, something to actually fight for, but the crash, laura lees death, and shaunas betrayal took all of that. so like you say, ofc she only became more depressed. its funny, its as if people block out those scenes in the pilot from their minds or something. why did they think we were being shown jackie alone in her bedroom looking depressed as hell for so much of it if it wasnt to make a point about her mental state? like i fully believe if jackie hadnt frozen to death she would have tried to off herself the very next day, im literally not joking. the girl was so over it. i dont think she was being stupid by sleeping out there when she could literally see her breath in front of her face, i think she just didnt care anymore.

the truth is jackies innate qualities are why she had to die when and how she did, because this story just doesnt take place otherwise. if one or the other of laura lee and javi and crystal live no offence but the descent into ritualistic cannibalism still happens, the wilderness religion still takes hold. but it doesnt if jackie has purpose, wants to live, doesnt lose shauna. understanding why thats true requires you to understand who she was so idk how people who are fans of the show can mischaracterise her so badly.

[alicentsgf]

hi, i might just be a touch too young have other things keeping me from getting this - but i've never really understood how the baby becoming a sacrifice (despite already being a stillborn; like ive always seen what happened as best case for the baby so it just really confuses me) is on the same like level as what she had to do to javi. you just explain shaunas brain really well and i was curious if you would be able to go into that / explain it a little ?

yeah of course! i mean i can only say how i interpret it and i think its impossible to really quantify trauma but for shauna losing her child and everything that came with it was the most deeply traumatic experience she endured imo, especially with how closely connected it was to jackies fate. javi's death and shaunas role in it was more the straw that broke the camels back, in terms of changing her irrevocably.

having witnessed someone close to me experience it, its hard to describe how deeply traumatic losing a child is, even one you never really knew or wanted to begin with. just the act of holding a dead baby is an impossibly awful experience, and shauna did it for days. and im sure if she'd dared to think about it she would have known logically how bad the chances were for the baby, but that wouldnt have stopped her hoping. even when you actually know someones going to die, the loss doesnt truly hit you until afterwards. and then you have to consider all the additional stress as well. she had everyone piling their hopes on her, excited for the baby, assuming it would change things for the better. it must have felt like such a huge burden. this child is the result of a decision that led to her best friends death. led to shauna eating her to stay alive. if the baby dies... what the hell was that all for. what does she have left to show for it. not to mention she had lottie growing strangely attached, making shauna fear what she had planned. we see this represented in shaunas nightmare, where lottie inserts herself to the extent of breastfeeding. then shauna sees her friends covered in her childs blood - they'd ripped him apart and consumed him, and maybe that was what she'd feared all along, except not so literally; that her child would never truly be hers, because this strange hierarchy might give someone like lottie the power to rip him away. its a lot to process, as if a traumatic stillbirth without pain relief at 18 isnt enough to be getting on with.

and in the end that nightmare shauna had does kinda comes true. because lottie does steal her baby, and the others do consume him. they're cannibalising his memory, cannibalising shaunas grief. hes not a person, hes not hers, hes some kind of totem or diety for a religion shauna doesnt believe in. she cant even go to his grave and grieve peacefully, hes public property and so is she by association. its why akilah's headdress pissed her off so much, because yet again what she wants or needs isnt considered, when really in this scenario they should all be deferring to her. she doesnt even have anyone to lean on in her grief because to the others her son isnt a baby who would grown up to be someone someday, hes just a sacrifice. worst of all shes told he had to be sacrificed to keep HER alive. nobody even thinks about how guilty this must make shauna feel. how heartbreaking it must be to be told 'your child needed to die for you to live because we need you more'. its a callous, selfish thing to express, even if they didnt mean any harm by it and even if it makes logical sense. shauna doesnt believe in the wilderness, but she knows the others at least believe they chose for her. whether their ritual worked or not, it was not their place to do that. she didnt want to die, but any decision made should have been hers alone. so now it feels like shes surrounded every day by people who see her like a tool to be used. shes necessary, they needed her, so her baby had to die.

ultimately this means that in the end shaunas trauma isnt just centered on the event itself - the pain and loss of a stillbirth, but all the other circumstances surrounding it that make shaunas experience so desperately isolating and painful. trauma doesnt just happen in moments, and for shauna this is an ongoing traumatic experience thats lasted at least a year at this point, since the moment she realised she was pregnant. and its happening on top of the already extremely traumatic circumstances they're all enduring.

so whilst the night she butchered javi is of course deeply traumatic, its more of a transformative garnish on top of the mountain of other stuff shauna was already experiencing. i think its more that something clicked in her brain that night, carving him up, exposing herself to something so deeply harrowing, and then not getting chosen to lead. she feels that shes not respected, shes just a means to an end. that they all see the knife in her hand, even when shes not holding it. its why they needed her alive, and not her child. and so in feeling that fuel a rage in her, she became compelled to find some type of power in the role she has. and when all you have is a knife, theres really only one way to grasp at power.