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ᎥᏍᎩᏱ ᏅᎩᏁ - vsgiyi nvgine - December 4th
Cherokee Double Wall Basket (purse), braided leather strap, and hand drilled antler button
fall is on its way out and I'm not ready
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YEA and like... if all the people who had ancestors 'run from the trail' or 'hid in the mountains' were telling the truth.... then how do we have over 400,000 citizens of CNO, all descended from those who were removed or came to indian territory [oklahoma] voluntarily and were alloted land. There were not enough cherokees alive at the time of removal to account for the thousands if not millions of people who claim to have cherokee ancestry with no proof
It's kinda shocking to me how few people seem to know how prevalent the 'my great grandmother was cherokee' myth is and how it's almost never actually true, especially when it comes with things like 'never signed up' or 'fell off the trail' or 'courthouse burned down destorying the documentation' etc etc.
People just don't even seem to know the history like.. when the Trail happened. My great great great grandfather was 2 years old during Removal in 1838, so peoples 'my great grandmother hid in the mountains!' is so clearly wrong. And we have rolls. From before and after removal, rolls done by cherokee nation and others by the government, rolls that were not stored in one random flammable courthouse. It's not difficult to find the actual evidence of ancestry.
And just.. there are lots of ways those family stories get started. It was a practice during the confederacy to claim cherokee ancestry to show one's family had 'deep roots in the south' that they were there before the cherokee were removed. Many people pretended to be cherokee and applied for the Guion-Miller payout just to try to steal money meant for cherokees - 2/3rds of the applicants were denied for having 0 proof of actual cherokee ancestry. [We even see lawyers advertising signing up for the Miller roll just to try to get free money.] And the myth even started in some families in the cherokee land lotteries, where the land stolen from us was raffled off, including the house and everything that was left behind when the cherokees were removed. We have seen people whose families just take these things stolen from the cherokee family and adopt them into their own family story, saying that they were cherokee themselves.
If you had some family story about being cherokee and you wanna have proof one way or the other, check out this Facebook group run by expert cherokee genealogists that do research for free. Just please read the rules fully and respect the researchers. They run thousands of people's ancestries a year and their average is only around 0.7% of lines they run actually end up having true cherokee ancestry.
#and yea prev tags. so many people think Their cherokee family story is somehow a valid one just because it doesnt mention 'princess'#and so they think they can bring it up despite not doing any research into it#when like... sorry but your story is one of thousands#in the facebook group i linked they have a list they add to every so often of 'excuses for why peoples ancestors arent on the rolls'#and its absurd and kinda funny sometimes#ᏩᏙ ᎤᎦᎹ for the addition!!#[for reference around 15000 - 16000 cherokees walked the Trail. some had already left to indian territory before that [the old settlers]#and some went west afterward. and some did stay in the east on private land iirc? old settlers became UKB and those that stayed became EBCI
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This is good with johnnnycake
This is good with johnnnycake
This can is not real! Wish it was. The label reads do-ma-tli u-ga-ma ᏙᎹᏟ ᎤᎦᎹ tomato soup—Kituwah/Eastern dialect. Maybe Campbells will sell it North Carolina!
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ᎥᏍᎩᏱ ᏔᎵᏍᎪᎯᏍᏁ - Talsgo Hisgine - December 25th
ᎪᎳ ᎢᏯ - Gola Iya - Winter Pumpkin
Cherokee double-wall basket
Winter is here so I'm trying to build inventory and I keep wanting to keep them... this one's shape is really fun. There is honeysuckle I foraged in the lid. This will be a purse, if you ever are looking to commission this is a small and would be around $100 - $120 plus shipping.
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ᎥᏍᎩᏱ ᏔᎵᏍᎪᎯᏁ - December 20th
Cherokee Double-wall basket (Purse)
Gauge 3 commercial round reed, commercial flat reed, hand drilled antler button, leather strap, foraged Buck brush.
Buck brush is a traditional material we use, named for the red berries that grow on it that deer favor. It is much stiffer and woodier than commercial reed. It is the dark purple material located on the neck of the basket.
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ᎦᏕᎶᏆ - Gadelhgwa - I am learning it
Cherokee Double-Wall Basket (Purse?)
ᏅᏓᏕᏆ ᏔᎵᏍᎪ ᏔᎵᎯᏁ - Nvdadegwa talsgo ta'lihine - November 22nd
Gage 3 and 0 commercial round reed, commercial flat reed belt, deer antler tips + buttons, leather ties, a rabbit skin I will be sewing in later, and a thrifted chain strap.
I've been basket weaving every week for almost 2 years now and have on and off since I was a kid. I knew there were many different directions to go in, but I didn't anticipate just how many different methods, techniques, and ways there are to try and learn.
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10/12/24
ᏣᎳᎩ ᏔᎷᏣ - Cherokee double wall basket
7 Hours
Gauge 3 and 0 round reed, 3/4" flat reed, rit dye.
Was commissioned and told to do whatever I want as long as it was similar to a previous one. I REALLY love how that belt turned out, dyed it pink first and then dyed purple over it to give it more vibrance.
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ᎤᎦᎹ ᏧᎳᏍᎩ ᎦᎶᏍᎬ ᏓᏩᏙ. ᏥᏣᎳᎩ ᎠᎴ ᏍᏗᎩᏘ ᏣᎳᎩ ᏥᏬᏂ. ᏣᎳᎩ ᎠᏰᎵ ᏍᎦᏚᎩ ᎣᎦᎳᎰᎹ ᏥᏁᎳ. ᏗᏔᎷᏣ ᎠᏬᏢᏅᏗ ᎠᎴ ᏣᎳᎩ ᏥᏬᏂᏍᏗ ᎦᏕᎶᏆᏍᏗ ᏥᎸᏉᏗ 🧺♥️. ᎠᎩᏯᏪᎪᎢ.
ugam julasgi galosgv dawado. jijalagi ale sdiggit jalagi jiwoni. jalagi ayeli sgadugi oklahoma jinela. ditaluja awohlvnhdi ale jalagi jiwonisdi gadelhgwasdi jilvkwd. agiyawegoi
My name is soup. I am Cherokee and I speak a little Cherokee. I live in Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. I like to make baskets and learn to speak our language. I'm always tired.
My grandmother ᏥᎨᏒ and the community I learn from speak a dialect, my Cherokee may not look like yours - it's an opportunity for us both to learn
I do not vet family history, I do not provide information for your world building/ocs, and I will not translate on request. If you are learning the language you may ask questions but I'm not here to teach anyone, I work a very stressful job and I live in the state of Oklahoma - I am selective about who I have in my space.
If you claim to be Cherokee and you have not proven your ancestry through our enrollment records (Freedmen excluded*) - I do not want you following me. First and foremost I am a Cherokee person trying to live and I will advocate against misinformation and false stories regarding our tribe and culture - this is how we protect our sovereignty.
#the asterisk is because there is still the need to be like. be honest about it y'all do your genealogy as much as you can please#I ain't here to fight but we got way too many people that are reconnecting that are getting on the podium when they got no place to be#and I say that because unfortunately I've met people of all races#that claim Cherokee and some of the first things I asked about is how much money they can get
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every once in awhile I get reminded, yes ᎤᎦᎹ, you are light, but the reason you don't get along with most of these people is because you were still raised Cherokee 🤷
#i got to talking with some other native coworkers this morning and it just reminded me#because it was like oh! YOU understand
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