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geekgirles · 3 days ago
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Hot Take
Season 3 should have revealed Eva is a demigoddess instead of Ruel.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm actually quite happy with season 4 focusing on her origins and Madagaskan, even if that was clearly only introduced to set up Flopin's character arc during the upcoming Waven series. But the thing I can never seem to get over is how irrelevant the Cra actually are in season 3. Their arc is literally to be rescued/to escape and to give birth (in Eva's case).
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Because, let's face it, their relevance in the season hinged entirely on being Tristepin's family. Eva in particular, regardless of how cordial Echo was to her, seemed to have no value outside of being Tristepin's wife who's carrying his third child, who was later revealed to be an extremely powerful demigod.
Meanwhile, poor Flopin's kidnapping didn't even make sense because he just isn't a demigod like his siblings. Yes, he is Iop's son, but he's not an Iop, so he couldn't inherit any of his father's divine powers. As opposed to Élely and Pin, who already displayed theirs at 5 years old and before being even born, respectively. Hell, that ended up being the crux of his character in season 4! His insecurities over not being as extraordinary as his family, especially his siblings!
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Yes, you could say Oropo's real plan besides killing the gods was to make Yugo's friends his, and that's why he wanted Eva and Flopin around. But considering he didn't seem all that contrite over Adamaï almost causing Iop's next reincarnation while he couldn't even bring himself to make Amalia age (even though he was not above breaking her spirit so she'd be easier to manipulate), it's fairly obvious he cared more about keeping certain members of the Brotherhood near than others. Which further proves he only kidnapped Eva and Flopin because of their connection to Pinpin.
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And let's face it, between that and how out of focus they were compared to the Iops, that's just such a huge disservice to their characters. They deserve so much more than to orbit around Tristepin.
Which is why I believe Eva should have been Cra's daughter and Oropo's target instead of Ruel. Even though nothing really suggested her divine origins before, they could have always hand-waved it and have that explain her craziest feats, like how she was able to keep up with two demigods even while heavily pregnant or her formidable archery skills. Because, come on, until Madagaskan was introduced, the only relevant Cra in the show were Eva, Cleo, and Flopin. It's not like by the time season 3 dropped we'd seen any other member of their race display the same level of dexterity so as to make Eva's prowess being divine in nature not make sense.
Also, in could retroactively explain her exceptional beauty, since most Cra we've seen are actually fairly plain-looking.
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Besides, you're telling me that out of the original members of the Brotherhood of the Tofu, only the boys are the ones related to gods? Come on. Is a little bit of parity that much to ask?
And let's face it, Ruel being Enutrof's son doesn't bring anything new to the table other than some shock value. Like, I get he's always been hinted to be more than meets the eye, but being a demigod doesn't really add much to his character.
Hey, maybe I just don't know much about Enutrofs since they don't give me brainrot compared to other classes, but compared to the rest of his kind, Ruel isn't all that unique either, except for how utterly greedy he is. His powers and attacks, while impressive at times, can never reach their full potential because he just doesn't pay tribute to Enutrof, so they remain relatively weak. And though being a demigod would explain how long-lived he is, that falls flat as well when Arpagone seems to be just as old as he is and his grandma's even older.
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Again, longevity could be a standard Enutrof power I'm just not aware of. Still, it pretty much proves my point, doesn't it?
Not to mention, it's not like changing Ruel's status as the group's surprise demigod would really change anything from his storyline in season 3. They could have perfectly had Arpagone be the Enutrof demigoddess whose condition to play a part in Oropo's plan was to be allowed to keep her husband even as she ascended to godhood. Hence, you still get your flashback episode and an excuse to capture Ruel and have Sipho replace him to drive a wedge between Yugo and Amalia and kidnap the latter.
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But no, let's go with the plot point that won't be touched upon ever again.
And speaking of things that wouldn't necessarily change just because Eva were a Cra demigoddess, you could still keep Madagaskan's role in season 4!
Maybe just make it so Eva and Cleo are actually half-sisters with the same father but a different mother (or vice versa, given the goddesses' apparent distaste for getting pregnant themselves). While I'd personally prefer it if Madagaskan simply had a tryst with Cra and then he fell in love with his late wife, if you're into drama, Eva could always be the result of an affair but his wife chose to take her in and raise her as her own, anyway. Hence, you would have another reason why Madagaskan went along with her last wish, out of love for her and to repay her kindness and forgiveness.
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(Or you could enforce his love for his wife by having him be the one to accept her other child and to make sure both her and his own daughter had a better life).
And from then on, everything could play out exactly like canon.
In fact, Eva being semi-divine would also add another layer to Cleophée's inferiority complex and feelings of inequacy compared to her older sister. Much like Flopin, of course she could never catch up to Eva no matter how hard she tried, she isn't a demigoddess!
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Which would make Eva's acceptance and pride over her abilities all the more meaningful too (even if by then they wouldn't know the truth).
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And speaking of Flopin, his season 4 storyline would remain the same, too. After all, even if he would now be related to Cra, he'd still be a demigoddess' child first and foremost.
As @cocogum explored in one of her analyses, the children of demigods are their own can of worms. So far, we don't know anything about Kali and Poo's baby, but we do know that Goultard's children certainly didn't inherit immortality of any kind, so it wouldn't be far-fetched to assume they didn't inherit his divine powers either. In other words, Flopin could still feel left out—even with more reason, since now he would be the only "non-exceptional" member of his family—and choose to follow his grandfather in order to find his own path.
I guess what I'm trying to say with all this is that while Amalia might be my blorbo and Yumalia my OTP, I still care for all the members of the Brotherhood of the Tofu, especially Eva. And I can't really forgive that while Pinpin still had focus and issues of his own by virtue of being the reincarnated Iop god, Eva's character was ultimately reduced to being his wife and mother of his children when she's actually so much more than that.
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geekgirles · 2 months ago
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Personally, I have no problem with Flopin choosing to leave with Madagaskan, other than it sort of feels like they're using their need to build up the family drama that's sure to take place in Waven to excuse not having them assist during the Necro War. Kind of defeats the purpose of Madagaskan keeping taps on his daughters and escaping his prison because he was worried over Eva and the kids if he has no trouble letting them fight wakfu-draining monsters all by themselves, doesn't it?
Also, this might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't find Flopin to be the boring twin. If anything, Élely made season 3 a little hard to watch at times because she was essentially portrayed as always being in the right when she was just acting like a brat. And the fact that she'd been chosen to be the next Iop goddess and Flopin was saddled with murder-happy Toxine meant she was basically given lots of plot armour he didn't have, in a way.
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But I'm getting sidetracked. The reason I have no problem with Flopin leaving is because those insecurities of his are valid and realistic! Even though he had his moments when he defeated Toxine, the OVAs and season 3 were all about showcasing how easily overshadowed by his siblings Flopin really is, and all because he wasn't born an Iop.
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While Élely not only escaped the Brotherhood's clutches but defeated Poo all on her own and got to fight against many of Oropo's followers, Flopin spent most of the season trapped in the Eniripsa Room. And hadn't it been for Echo, Toxine would have killed him and his mother long before the final confrontation against Oropo.
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Not to mention, while Flopin's powers are pretty much standard for any Cra, as he isn't descended from the goddess herself and his father's powers just can't flow through his veins due to a matter of not having the right alignment, Élely already displayed her own powers when she was only five years old. And because that apparently isn't enough to cause an inferiority complex, turns out his unborn baby brother is the most powerful demigod in existence, capable of giving a hard time to a centuries-old, Eliacube-wielding Eliotrope, and a dofus-wielding Eliatrope dragon.
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How's that for feelings of inadequacy?
And then Madagaskan came into the picture.
With all that in mind, of course he'd see leaving his family behind to be with his grandfather, who's so much of a badass he can single-handedly defeat gods and demigods despite having no divine powers of his own, as his time to shine! That was his opportunity to make something of himself, away from his relatively more accomplished siblings. Assassin ways aside, Madagaskan represents what Flopin wants out of life. He wants to be able to stand tall and proud and out of his demigod siblings' shadow even if he has no special powers of his own. In a way, Flopin is the Sokka to Élely and Pin's Katara.
So yeah, I'm happy Flopin got this chance, because he honestly deserves to be someone's focus for once. Not to mention, this all seems like it's building up to be the main emotional arc and driving force in the Waven show. And I actually am looking forward to seeing it.
LIVEBLOG: Wakfu Season 4, Episode 7
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Grandpa piss, being a part of the Remote Viewers Division doesn't prevent you from being a deadbeat. KILL him Eva.
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What were YOU doing at the devil's sacrement, King [insert name here] Sheran-Sharm!
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I love women who are tortured for an eternity and then die in some way that will not kill them in a way that matters #signaliscore posts
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Man haha I wonder if this might be saying something about Yugo (and Joris, but that goes without saying on this blog)
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I have seen people criticize this moment, but let me be the devil's advocate: after seeing years of fans saying that Flopin is the boring twin, or that Eva has no backstory, them getting a problem-causing grandpa is literally so good.
And I think I understand why Flopin did this, since he says himself that he actually feels like the boring twin... I understand why he felt like going with this man, to learn about this guild, and where he comes from.
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[starts hacking up blood] you know what other duo of demigods in this franchise had a twin who felt like they were living in the shadow of their sibling and his wonderful white fur—- [is shot by animal control]
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I loooove comparing all the characters in this show, because it's genuinely a good way to approach Krosmoz, since Tot likes exporing the same themes (immortality/family) over, and over, and over, and over. And what I can say rn is: man, having normal parents makes jealousy-based plots much more tame. Atcham went in a "I want to be great like you, so I need to end you, you don't care about me like I care about you anyway" direction instead of a "I want to be great like you, so I'm gonna leave and work on myself, and then we can stand side by side someday"
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I do think he is going to hurt his sister in some major way with this decision and in the end it will be a bitter, or bittersweet memory <3 I believe in the power of toxicity <3
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To elaborate on the thing I said about titles, Astra is the ruling queen (to be precise, she is the daughter of the king of Bonta who was mentioned in seasons 1-2 and OVAs, who seems to have passed away); while her wife is either queen-consort, or a princess-consort.
However, Wakfu kingdoms may have worse, weirder rules than real life about inheritance.
The reason I am not getting my panties in a twist about the same-sex aspect of this (besides me supporting toxic royal yuri + being against homophobia or whatever) is that this is a magical universe, idk. they could adopt or get magically pregnant. It's literally a non-issue for me. UNLIKE PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THE CONSORT SYSTEM AND—-
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Joris is present in all the kingdoms as Yugo's emotional support mediator/ambassador, except for Brakmar. I assume they simply do not let this fucking man into their palace, and rightfully so. He's literally a Bontarian narc. He'd use that chance to steal documents or some shit.
Btw I find it so funny how he keeps the same neutrally haunted look.
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If a Bonatrian political leader goes for a week without wanting to start genocide against a people who isn't into the main 12 gods, they start getting the shakes from withdrawal.
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I imagine living for hundreds of years and experiencing unimaginable suffering would make one pretty averse to being bossed around by some random guy who was born into wealth and has not known a second of grief in their life.
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I feel it is important to point out: Joris was the one who made sure the meeting with Astra happened. He also felt this was important enough to try and organize meetings with other kings and queens. This is a dangerous situation.
As always, absolutely nobody listened. Nobody ever listens.
As I was saying, I imagine living for hundreds of years and experiencing un—-
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I think the fact that Joris went with them has to say something about him. Yes, it is probably his sense of responsibility — he doesn't exactly want bad things to happen...
But also it explicitly puts a wedge between him and the Bontarian government. He values Yugo more.
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geekgirles · 8 months ago
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They're family
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geekgirles · 8 months ago
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You have no idea how much it means to me that they kept him adorable and goofy despite everything. God bless.
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geekgirles · 7 months ago
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The fandom after chapter one, especially the beginning:
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Tag yourself, I'm both Yugo and Amalia at the same time.
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geekgirles · 8 months ago
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@kehideni it's even worse when they were going to introduce Élely and Flopin anyway, so it's not like there wouldn't be characters that would appeal to children. It all amounts to that plot point, while masterfully handled and resolved, feeling completely unnecessary.
These hands!!
His hands were so small. Good god, they're so tiny!
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He really was a child with a mature mind. He only matured so quickly because of his experiences/traumas.
Being a 22 year old demi-god surrounded by friends who are mortals and age much faster than you is a sad fate. Yugo grew up with Amalia mentally but couldn't catch up physically.
He knew that being with her while he still looked like a child was wrong (so incredibly wrong). For him it was an inner battle of desire vs. moral. Which is why he was wishy washy with his feelings—kissed her then called it a mistake. Got mad when someone else kissed+held her in their arms. Was sad when he heard she was having an arranged marriage. Was jealous when someone else tried to marry her. Denied her being "his princess," yet thinks of her. Just flippy floppy (and we ate it up).
I'm glad he was able to physically catch up even though it removed hundreds of years from his life (and was another traumatic experience-like near death).
But it was worth it for us the viewer to see Yugo and Amalia now hold hands as equal adults.
He’s been waiting to hold her hand like this for a long time…All the inner turmoil about embarrassing her due to his once child-like appearance—gone. Now he can hold her hand in confidence.
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Poor baby probably never thought it’d happen too. I guess near death experiences have its ups at times!! lol 😂
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geekgirles · 8 months ago
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Can you tell I've been obsessively watching this on repeat for the last few hours? Can you tell how little I care and how I'm gonna keep doing it until it's burned onto my brain?
Credits to @ultima on YouTube
I decided to re-upload it as a video, instead of a link.
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geekgirles · 9 days ago
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I've seen people say things about Amalia not being queen material because she was always far from her kingdom, and I can't help but think they're taking everything at face value. Like they assume that just because the plot takes place while Amalia is usually away on an adventure, that's all there is to it and her circumstances, when in reality nothing is further from the truth.
First of all, back in season 1 the show didn't exactly shy away from confirming Amalia essentially spent her early life confined in the Sadida Kingdom and most likely never stepped foot outside of it until she decided to run away. Hence why she failed to understand the chamberlain wouldn't be able to pay for her expenses when she was in Bonta.
And why did she run away in the first place? That's right. Because her family insisted she remained cooped up in the palace ever since the queen's death. And considering Queen Sheran Sharm died when Amalia was little, that all means she had spent 13 years "trapped" in her kingdom as early as season 1.
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Now, I don't think we have an exact date for the Brotherhood's adventures, how long they lasted. But I'm gonna go with my gut and say each journey they took place in the span of several months to a year, tops.
That would mean the first time Amalia left home she wasn't away for that long, anyway.
Not to mention, after dealing with Nox and before Eva herself ran away to get Pinpin back in season 2, it was established the Brotherhood of the Tofu spent several weeks, maybe a month or two, in the Sadida Kingdom. With Yugo and Adamaï helping Amalia with her duties because she was swamped with them, to the point she somewhat reverted back to her brattier days (which is not excusable, but it does show that, at 13-14 at the least, Amalia was already in charge of many administrative duties and responsibilities and under a lot of stress).
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In fact, the only reason she didn't stay in her kingdom for the entirety of the season, besides her wanderlust, is the fact that trouble kept popping up. Originally, they only left to get Eva back after she ran away in search of Pinpin, and once they returned from that, the only reason they left the kingdom again was because of Qilby's appearance and his lies deceiving them into helping retrieve his Dofus by painting it as a humanitarian mission for the sake of the Eliatropes.
And before you point out Amalia was supposed to stay in her kingdom that time around but chose to run away again, let's not forget how, technically speaking, she didn't sneak away at all, shall we?
In season 2, the roles had been reversed. Amalia thought she was sneaking away again, but not only was Eva in the know and totally in favour of it (as opposed to her reluctance from season 1), but so was King Sheran Sharm. Remember? He went as far as to have Renate and Canar prepare plenty of provisions for her. Meaning, that time around, Amalia had her father's approval, which implies she didn't actually do anything wrong.
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And again, their adventures kept them away from several months up to a year, but not much longer. In fact, the only time it was confirmed they spent a year away was during the post-season 2 manga, and that was an accident because they didn't account for time flowing differently in Emrub.
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Now, let's add the time of the OVAs. The special episodes are stated to take place 6 years after season 2, with Flopin and Élely being little kids but not babies or toddlers anymore; Yugo stuck in his childish body despite being, what, 19(?); and Amalia being old enough to marry—given she is 22 in seasons 3 and 4, that would make her roughly 20-21 years old.
Six years had gone by between the second season and the OVAs, and if we add the year away from the manga, that means that Amalia dutifully spent 5 years in her kingdom, carrying out her royal duties and most likely only leaving for a few days at a time at most in order to visit her friends for important occasions like their birthdays. Though this is speculation on my part based on the events of the manga. Days she got to spend away because she probably had her father's permission to, as he wholeheartedly approved of her friendship with the Brotherhood of the Tofu. Meaning, once again, that Amalia wasn't doing anything wrong.
Then the OVAs came, and she had to leave for Frigost, and this time indefinitely since she was to marry Count Harebourg, therefore becoming his Countess and needing to remain by his side in his realm. And, again, because that was a marriage of convenience for the sake of her kingdom, she wasn't just allowed to leave but expected to. But even when it was revealed Count Harebourg planned to either exploit Yugo and the Eliatrope Dofus or the Sadida forests to benefit Frigost and the wedding didn't come to pass, it wasn't like Amalia stayed around to sightsee either.
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As soon as they freed Joris, Atcham, and Kerubim and got some exposition on Tristepin from Rubi, realising she had the means to save her kingdom by having Pinpin help, the group split up in two and they turned back around towards the Sadida Kingdom. And all that in just a few days, a week or two at most.
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Then comes season 3, taking place a year, year and a half, after the OVAs, with Amalia now 22 and confining herself to the palace more than ever because she's watching as her father withers away each passing day and she's trying to avoid Armand and Aurora since all they seem to care about is getting her hitched and out of their hair.
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To be honest, I'm not sure how long they're supposed to have spent in Oropo's dimension and Inglorium, since it feels like only a few days, but then Armand reveals in season 4 that he had only been king for a few weeks and the timeline gets kinda wacky. Because... Amalia just returned the day prior? And she spent the whole time by their father's grave?? What, did he leave her be to the point of risking malnourishment and dehydration for several days??? It just doesn't make sense.
Anyway, confusing timeline aside, what does this tell us? Simple, it tells us that Amalia was only away from home for about 2-3 years, which isn't all that different from when our parents send us to study abroad in real life. Which, at the same time, means that out of 22 years of her life, she remained 19 in her kingdom, performing her duties. And that's even without taking into account the fact that 90% of season 4 took place in the Sadida Kingdom, or the four months between Yugo and Amalia's wedding and the events of The Great Wave, where Amalia (and Yugo) stayed in her kingdom, ruling it.
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Unlike Armand, Amalia might have been more interested in adventure than power and politics, and she might not have had the same kind of training as he did as heir apparent, but she is in now way, shape, or form incompetent or unprepared when it comes to ruling her people. Now try to tell me she was always away or that she is irresponsible. I dare you.
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geekgirles · 1 month ago
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Wakfu Season 4 Artbook: Evangelyne
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geekgirles · 8 months ago
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Those Adult! Élely designs say anything but "straight"
✨Wakfu lgbtq+ hdcs✨
Qilby (aromantic)
“I hope the planets will still be here by the time we wake up.” - S4 EP10
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reason(s) : he’s a sucker for knowledge and is completely devoted to the planets and the krosmoz in general. the only type of love he expresses and seems to feel is the familial kind. he thinks about his people following him to discover worlds and Shinonome is the only primordial sibling he thinks about.
Amalia (pansexual)
“Because I don’t know what I want?!” - S3 EP8
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reason(s) : this whole ass analysis post I made about her speaks for itself.
Yugo (demisexual)
“I feel like I have an eternity to live.” - S3 EP8
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reason(s) : Yugo lives for a long time. He’s not the type to act like a playboy so he won’t be hopping from partner to partner but would rather take his time getting to know someone on a deeper level before deciding if he loves them or not. although there is a possibility that he may not approve of a romantic relationship even under such circumstances.
Nora (lesbian)
“You’re not gonna make a pretty girl wait.” - S4 EP3
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reason(s) : her whole aura in general and the way her body language behaves around Amalia.
Elely (lesbian)
“Women are complicated aren’t they, Yugo?” - S3 EP9
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reason(s) : just this quote alone.
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geekgirles · 2 months ago
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Oropo's OVA: Continuing a Trend
So yesterday I rewatched Oropo's OVA in order to make a screenshot compilation of Echo, and while the fact remains that in terms of plot relevance or even narrative choices the special is a hot mess that only provides information for things that, in the great scheme of things, are fairly minor or we already knew about (the markings on Echo's hands being burn scars, Grougal's blindness, how Chibi died, the fact that Oropo manipulated Nox from the Eliacube...), it should be noted that it at least doesn't change the characters' established characterisation.
With the clear exception being Chibi and Grougal, of course.
But when it comes to what would become the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, Oropo and Echo's characterisation is very consistent to what we already saw in season 3.
First and foremost, it's plain to see Oropo's Eliotrope team is his first attempt at replicating the Brotherhood of the Tofu. As every character introduced shares at least some traits, minor or even corrupted as they might be, with Yugo and his friends.
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Yugo's traits are divided evenly between Oropo and Sidaire. While the former shares his physical appearance, darker aspects of his personality, and his position as leader of his team; the latter shares his child-like appearance and original position as youngest member of the group.
Echo's character is an amalgamation of Eva and Amalia's. Like Eva, she's one of the most mature and thoughtful members of the team, as well as acting as the Team Mum. Likewise, their personalities are also similar: both are motherly and poised, but can also be aloof and even aggressive under the right circumstances. However, much like Amalia and her relationship with Yugo, she's Oropo's lover and her powers are more supernatural in nature compared to Evangelyne's (I mean, just compare healing, shapeshifting, sand magic, and chlorokinesis and "voo-doo" dolls to above average archery skills and senses...).
Eva is also reflected in Desperia, who, despite her little screentime, seemed to be the most level-headed, rational, and collected member of the group.
Bouillon is a more impulsive and battle-hungry yet less redeemable version of Tristepin, as they both have a tendency to jump headfirst into battle without thinking of the consequences. But, as Oropo said, Bouillon doesn't know how to work in a team, meaning he doesn't share Pinpin's values, such as his sense of honour or care for his friends.
Atone seems to be Adamaï taken to the extreme, as he doesn't let himself be swayed by his emotions (mainly because he just can't feel anything), yet he chooses to follow the much more emotional Oropo out of his own volition.
And lastly, Ripulse seems to have Ruel's flaws (except his greed seems to have been replaced by powerlust), yet none of his redeeming qualities. As he is selfish, self-serving, cowardly, and treacherous.
Interestingly enough, while this serves to establish early on Oropo's desire to have Yugo's life, to be Yugo, it also highlights the same flaws he displayed during season 3. Namely, how he's an overally atrocious judge of character.
Once again, he's allowed a few rotten apples into his basket. As it just wouldn't be wise to have characters like Bouillon and Ripulse near. I'd like to think those two examples are self-explanatory.
On the one hand, Bouillon might be a formidable fighter, but his single-minded focus on battling and inability to "share" with his allies means he just can't be trusted to work well in a group. If you think about it, this ultimately led to his downfall, as he might have stood a much better chance against Grougal if instead of fighting him alone he had allowed his "siblings" to join him, thus, possibly overpowering our favourite black dragon.
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And, on the other hand, Ripulse didn't even attempt to hide his treacherous and cowardly nature. But, much like when Adamaï questioned choosing someone as sadistic and deranged as Toxine as the next Sram goddess, Oropo still ignored Sidaire's more than justified distrust of Ripulse, which, if not for Echo, would have cost him dearly.
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Sidaire: "You're the most cowardly, Ripulse. When will you get your hands dirty? Ripulse: "As late as possible."
In fact, if you remember, Oropo was genuinely surprised when Chibi turned out to be alive, as his sources had assured him he was long dead. Only for Sidaire to accurately deduce said sources were probably Ripulse, and while he claimed he had always been incompetent, his assassination attempt at the end of the OVA implies he always gives wrong information in hopes of getting Oropo killed or weakened enough to deliver the finishing blow himself.
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To make a long story short, one of Oropo's flaws is that he surrounds himself with people that just can't be trusted, thus, endagering his life, that of his truly loyal supporters, and the very goal he strives to achieve.
The other characterisation they managed to nail was Echo's, even though the OVA didn't focus on her nearly as much. To be more specific, it focused on her loyalty to Oropo and how, despite everything, it actually works to the detriment of both of them.
If you think about it, while Echo is indeed staunchly loyal to Oropo and his cause, she's the kind of supporter who just follows her leader blindly, even when rebelling against his wishes once in a while might actually be more beneficial to their goals in the long run.
Once again, the best example of this is Oropo's trust in both Ripulse and Toxine, and how it almost backfired spectacularly on him.
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In both cases, it's clear to see Echo is perfectly aware of how neither of them can be trusted, just like she has absolutely no qualms about punishing them or outright getting rid of them if they prove to be more trouble than its worth.
However, it should be pointed out Echo is only willing to reach those extremes if she catches the person in question trying to directly harm her or Oropo. As long as they aren't affected by their actions, they can stay regardless of the danger they pose to everybody else around them.
As I said, Echo's loyalty to Oropo (and probably her love for him contributes to it as well) doesn't manifest in a desire and willingness to do whatever it takes to reach their goal, even if it means going against Oropo's wishes or disagreeing with him. It manifests in almost blind adherence and obedience to him and his wishes.
After all, much like Adamaï and Sidaire, she knew Ripulse and Toxine were trouble and couldn't be trusted, but unlike the former two, she never voiced her opinions to Oropo or even questioned his decision to trust them. Not even after Toxine disregarded their orders and sneaked into her room to kill Eva and Flopin. Instead, she left them to their own devices until they posed a direct threat to her and Oropo.
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And that in itself is another major aspect of Echo's character: her inaction and indifference to the wrongs going on around her until they directly affect Oropo or her, despite her insistence that what they're doing is precisely for the sake of the World of Twelve.
Because wasn't that what ultimately caused her to betray Oropo and save the day? The fact that Oropo betrayed her? We all know this. Echo didn't reveal Oropo's plans because she had seen the light or anything like that. She revealed his plans because Oropo had hurt her.
She had no problem with him disposing of the demigods that were no longer useful to him despite insisting they were their children. There was nothing wrong with emotionally manipulating and tormenting the Brotherhood of the Tofu or driving a wedge between Yugo and Adamaï to make sure they wouldn't pose a threat to their plans. And kidnapping children, their pregnant mother, and trying to kill their father was seen as a necessity.
But the moment Oropo revealed she had never been anything but a placeholder for Amalia, the only woman he truly "loved"? Then that's where Echo drew the line, because, deep down, she was always higher up in her list of priorities.
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I guess this all comes to show that, even though Oropo's OVA was little more than an excuse to introduce some characters that would have minor roles in season 4 and to have a 40-minutes-long action scene, there are some things that weren't completely butchered by it.
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geekgirles · 5 months ago
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I was hit with the realisation that even if Echo hadn't intervened to stop Oropo, his plan, to destroy the gods and replace them with the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, would have failed nonetheless. 
If I'm not mistaken, Oropo intended to weaken the gods by severing their connection to the World of Twelve and then destroying them so his followers could ascend and replace them. However, by severing that connection, he, too, would have robbed himself of his new pantheon. Because the demigods' powers aren't a result of their divine parentage, but of their alignment. 
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True, being descended from gods grants the Siblings semi-immortality and stronger abilities than their mortal counterparts, but they still owe their powers to their race. In other words, Coqueline, for example, is an Osamodas demigoddess not only because her father is indeed the god Osamodas, but because she herself is an Osamodas. 
The best example of this is actually Flopin. Technically speaking, he is a demigod—his father is Iop's latest reincarnation—and Oropo chose him to become the next Cra God. However, with the reveal that, as an Eliotrope, Oropo shares Yugo's memories and feelings, then it becomes plain to see his insistence on Flopin and Élely joining his cause had less to do with them being legitimately good candidates and more with his desire to make the Brotherhood of the Tofu his.
Just like he targeted Amalia despite already having Dathura as his next Sadida goddess and Echo as his lover. Those were Yugo's feelings clouding his judgement.
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But back to Flopin and how he proves Oropo's plan was futile since the very beginning, unlike Élely and Pin, Eva's Little Wolf has never displayed any special powers beyond those of a normal Cra, something he himself is acutely aware of in season 4. That is because, while he might be Tristepin's son, he is not an Iop, and therefore, he can't inherit any divine power because he is not actually connected to the god Iop like Élely, Pin, and Goultard are. 
And that is the most basic aspect of the franchise: your powers come from the god you worship. 
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This all comes to show that if Oropo had succeeded in destroying the gods, his chosen ones would have not been able to replace them as he intended, because if he killed the gods and severed the Twelvians' connection to them, then the Siblings would have been rendered powerless too, maybe even gone back to being regular humans. Meaning everything Oropo had done to fulfill his dream would have been for naught. 
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In fact, I'd go as far as to say the only ones who wouldn't have suffered the same fate would have been Adamaï, Yugo (since, before season 4, there was no indication that the goddess Eliatrope lived in Inglorium), Echo and Sipho (due to their dragon heritage), and Oropo himself, as he draws his power from Yugo and the other Eliotropes.
But who's to say he wasn't counting precisely on that to become the Supreme God as he declared back in season 3? After all, he was a master manipulator...
Some food for thought.
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geekgirles · 6 months ago
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Okay, this is probably just me being petty, but if by the time they appear the Percedal family are the only ones who don't go through soul-crushing trauma in the webtoon, I'm rioting against ToT and his blantant favouritism towards anything Iop-related. Either we all suffer unspeakable horros or none of us do, you hear me?
So I'd better see the aftermath and ramifications of Eva and Tristepin dealing with Flopin running away to be with his stranged, assassin grandfather because they failed to make him feel like he belonged in his own family.
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I want to see Élely missing her brother and wondering if she ever did something to push him away to the point he'd rather be with a complete stranger over her. Even though I know this is too heavy a burden for a seven-year-old kid to shoulder, I want Élely to blame herself and her behaviour on Flopin leaving. I want this to be a life-altering event for her, a turning point in her life that will shape the person she grows up into in Waven.
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Rasha is still in Pin's body! In Waven, the World of Twelve has been overridden by shushus! There's no way that is a coincidence. I want to see the events leading up to the shushus' eventual presence in the World of Twelve, and I need to see Tristepin question whether Madagaskan was right or not to say he only ever put Eva and the kids in danger by realising the evil creature terrorising everyone and possessing his infant son is all his fault.
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If Amalia were to die (DEAR GOD, PLEASE LEAVE HER ALONE!), I need Eva to bawl her eyes out for losing her best friend and the one person she's always been closer to than her actual sister! You already robbed us of their friendship in seasons 3 and 4, Ankama, don't go half-assing it again!
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The Percedal family is ripe with drama and unresolved issues. There's no way I'll accept everything going just peachy with them while Yugo, Amalia, Adamaï, and most likely Master Joris are put through Hell.
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geekgirles · 9 months ago
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Okay, but for real. Their reactions will probably be the best part of the episode.
I'm especially interested in Amalia's (because I'm Yumalia trash and, you know, priorities). Especially because last time she was face to face with an older "Yugo" it turned out to be Oropo manipulating her into choosing him over Yugo.
So a part of me is sort of hoping for her to be wary at first, only for Yugo to do or say something that will immediately make her realise that, yes, that is her Yugo.
(And he's grown up so fine lmao)
But honestly, Tristepin's reaction will probably be hilarious. Like, "Yugo?! But last time I saw you were barely taller than Élely! *To Eva* How long have we been in retirement?"
Wakfu slight spoilers for episode 11?
I'm so impatient for the next episode. Because it's called "Ensemble," together in english. And Tot said that episode 11 will be a bit calmer than episodes 9, 10, 12, 13. So, I think the brotherhood of the Tofu will reunite, based on these screenshots (The screenshots are from this video)
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We can see Amalia, Joris, Yugo, Ruel, Goultard, Adamaï, Pinpin/Dally, Eva, Elely and Pin.
And most of all, I want to see Yugo's entrance.
Because for me, I can only think about that
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Because for now, everyone thinks he is either captured, dead, or a necrome. And he will come back older, with a new outfit, the 6 Dofus and Lokus.
And will they recognize him?
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geekgirles · 8 months ago
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I refuse to believe Pin liking his name wasn't retconned when the first time Tristepin suggested it his entire family (plus a bonus Yugo) reacted to it like this:
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The family that judges your awful choices together, sticks together.
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geekgirles · 6 months ago
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If you think about it, Oropo really is the harbinger of his own misfortune. Not only because he manipulated the events that would shape the World of Twelve into the state it was in when Yugo accidentally created him and the other Eliotropes, thus beginning his unintentional abandonment and neglect of them which would them fuel Oropo's grudge against him and the gods he himself sent into hiding, but because he is the main reason the Brotherhood of the Tofu came to be in the first place.
In season 3 Oropo admitted to being all but tormented by memories and feelings of companions he couldn't be alongside with and of a woman that wasn't his to love, which in turn caused him to look for a replacement in his own brotherhood and in Echo. But the thing is, Yugo most likely would have never met the Brotherhood and he would have never fallen for Amalia if it weren't for Oropo's machinations bringing them together in the first place.
In other words, it's proven once again that, although Yugo might have created him and his race, Oropo had no one to blame but himself for all the misery he endured and forced upon others.
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