#[null] church

[greengrassandflowers]

Sighs deeply. What if I made an ask blog for my null church oc

[doubleodonut]

since rt's dead i'm uploading older art that i never did. here's lina and church with pokemon

[null-church-cynthea]

Hey fools in universe your “god” got turned into goo by a wacky polycule

-@cynisaliveandme

"That would be me you're referring to, actually! I was not turned into goo, my friend, but rather pulled from such a fate by my Keepers," Cynthea smiles pleasantly as she speaks from behind you :)

[genuflectx]

Someone ought to tell all the rad Murder Drone artists whose art is used on the Church of Null thumbnails/slideshows that their art is, without permission, being associated with AI generated songs (and that the person is just lying about it being AI)

All the art is yoinked from Twitter which I don’t have anymore 😭 but the credits are on the video descriptions 🙏

Edit: Adding the evidence below the cut; the songs and Electrical Ink fail 3 different tests, which point towards high likelihood of AI usage

#1 - Using SubmitHub's AI song checker, first testing accuracy of checker. Claims 90% accuracy, did own test with 10 human and 10 AI. About the same accuracy on both at 60%, with remaining percentage usually "inconclusive" with a smaller percentage of inaccuracy (10% in the human test, 20% in AI test but only for Udio). Caveat: Udio throws it off, every Udio song tested was inconclusive or incorrect, however I noted a mix of human and AI tells still reported in the Udio breakdowns. Therefore, this checker is reasonably accurate at marking AI as AI and is more likely to say something is inconclusive than to mark it incorrectly, but should not be the only tool used to assess.

Sampling every other Church of Null song (testing with full MP3s), SubmitHub's checker identified 10 of 12 songs as strongly AI and the remaining 2 as inconclusive. This is a higher rate of being marked as AI than either the human or AI tests I did beforehand. If it were human there would be some marked human, if it were Udio AI it would more likely show a mix of human and inconclusive. All AI and two inconclusive is more likely Suno AI.

#2 - Using my manual spectrogram contrast test, first testing on 23 respondents. Results are in the link, with 65% of respondents getting a score of over half correctly assessed. This test becomes more accurate when used by an individual practiced in it (comparing an unlabeled spectrogram to a chart of AI and human spectrograms, then sorting it onto either side accordingly by which pattern it most closely resembles). My own score was 12/14. This test will never be 100% accurate as not every spectrogram follows the pattern; i.e. rarely, an AI song has the spectrogram appearance as a human made one.

Respondents were mixed on whether a sampling of 6 songs from Church of Null were AI or human at the end of the test, with both high scoring and low scoring assessing them about the same, with only a slightly higher rate of being assessed as AI in high scoring testers. Only one lower scoring tester assessed AI under 50%, assessing two of six as AI (33%). However, nobody assessed the set as being all human. Note, psychology may have made this set difficult, as respondents may have believed it was unlikely that a set would be all AI or all human, which would influence answers.

When I originally assessed the six spectrograms, I assessed all of them as appearing closer to AI generated spectrograms than human, using the reference charts. I am very practiced at spectrogram contrast assessment since I am the one who made these charts and tests, sampling 30+ AI and 30+ human.

#3 - Using a smell test, or suspicious tells that just make you feel like something is off with the vibes. This can be lack of credits/suspicious credits, an AI "shimmer" effect on all the audio, generic lyrics that sound AI generated/edited, a music production output that is unrealistic for hand-made music, etc.

In Church of Null's case, it's creator Electrical Ink: shows no musical production on the channel before CoN, claims to have 6 anon helpers/vocalists but only credits a weird blank "creative consulting" channel, has produced 25 beautiful songs with complex compositions and vocals in 4 months while claiming to record these in person (and simultaneously writing 62k+ words of the fanfic, or about 15k a month), includes the robotic "shimmer" present in Suno AI while claiming it's "autotune," deletes comments asking if it's Suno (happened to me), and uses art before asking permission for the thumbnails and lyric videos.

The one other credit I found under a reply to a random comment is E-LIVE-YT (a "collaborator" on one song, however E-LIVE may have exaggerated this as they couldn’t even remember Electrical Ink’s name during a livestream), a real person who uploaded at least 1 AI generated song (admitted) but claims the rest are human made. Though, they also produce music at an unrealistic rate (43 tracks in 5 months) but mostly "extensions" of existing music, something AI song generators let you do (he uses Bandlab, which has AI tools exactly for that). The ones with lyrics have Suno's "shimmer" and the lyrical breakdown that E-LIVE posts on comments read as AI summaries/analysis (right down to calling N "they," not knowing his pronoun; a shortcut to chatGPT was on their desktop during a livestream, they removed this for later streams). Additionally, E-LIVE also has strange credits to blank channels and 1 or 2 tiny channels that just upload poor quality Roblox clips.

Ironically, even this "fan" "collaborator" believes Church of Null is AI and complains about competing with it, and regular Suno AI users in the Suno Discord believe so too.

Sniff sniff.... somethin smells funny...

[prairieprayer]

Church of Null is definitely using AI for its songs... not even gonna twiddle my thumbs with the "maybes" anymore :^P

After being convinced Church of Null is using Suno AI despite the song generator artist's claim that it isn't AI, I did further research by.. gag... making a Suno AI account to look more closely at MD generated songs on the platform, including their voices.

I found two accounts that, while I don't think that they're Electrical Ink, are certainly in the same vein and later on were inspired by them. They're perfect examples of Suno AI voices, compositions, and lyrics that are incredibly similar to all Church of Null songs.

The first is The Solver, who was making MD AI songs before Electrical Ink, but who is too Uzi focused to make me think they're the same person. (click read more to check the comparisons out).

First MD AI song on the account (Oct 2) , the first one uploaded by Electrical Ink was Oct 7th

First Cyn song on their Suno (Oct 16)

This voice vs. Electrical Ink's Jax song

This AI N song with the same voice as Church of Null's N song, but the Suno AI generated one came first (Oct vs. Dec)

This account starts making church themed Cyn/Cyn worship songs in Nov, but it's possible these were inspired by the Church of Null ones (a few of the early songs did get 50k+ views). Here's one of them.

The second is supreme_solver, who made a handful of Cyn heavy AI songs, including one referencing Church of Null. This account made their first MD song on Oct 20th. They made a Church of Null song on Nov 11th, using the same male AI voice on many of the Church of Null songs.

Nothing will give you an ear for AI generated music and lyrical habits like listening to them for like, two hours. Kill me.

The Church of Null songs are, definitively, 100%, AI generated songs, and Electrical Ink is just a plain ol' internet liar who didn't want to be dismissed or demeaned for using AI. But, I think lying about it is worse than just using it and owning up to it. And pretending to have 6 friends/“coworkers” who adore your fic and help with it and the songs when really it’s just a bot churning AI slop out is incredibly depressing.

Also, Electrical Ink appears to have manually comment moderation on, meaning only comments manually allowed will show. I thought it was a word filter for AI words, but no comment I make shows up when I'm logged out, so comments aren't being auto approved, meaning manual is turned on (that's how you check if your comment was removed/not posted; it will show to you if logged in, but will be gone when logged out/viewed by others). So, if anybody were to suggest AI, it would be unlikely to be approved (mine asking 'Suno' 3 days ago was not).

Okay. I'm done with this sleuthing now :P don't think anybody cares much about CoN anyways. But what a load of AI dude-bro tomfuckery. I'm tired of AI people playing pretend to get headpats and taking up spots from real human musicians and artisans, then blatantly lying to your face about it (lookin at u, DA AI spam accounts, and AI slop farms on Spotify).

[energylessartist]

I know we're all stressed over the election and stuff but I just... fucking hell, I think my project with the rogue [NULL]s and my most recent oc could be the in-lore reason for all the versions of Copper-9 merging - with the lore I've already developed in the shadows and what's being added to it. It is so fucking possible... oh also outfit update for the lovely Cynthea under cut

[house-of-cyn]

https://youtu.be/LAnGYltfqy0?si=Vr2yUcHb8nwl2p0H

"Ooohhh, I-I have a whole church!"

"A little baptism in oil nnever hurt anyone, right?~"

[systemcanid]

Church of Null OC? On my feed? Who woulda guessed. [based on a music album called church of null by electrical ink on YouTube. Brings an odd comfort. I wanna expand more on the lore bc I love the idea of a cult of dds following Cyn as their creator]

[failingatlifespectacularly]

Made some solver candles :3

[amethsys]

I didn't- I wasn't part of the gala. or maybe I was? I don't... know...

but Tessa, I'm so sorry....

[anonymocha]

Does MedPoc piss?

Trust me this is very important to a debate I am having with someone

Yes but in my headcanon, they underwent urostomy since they were a baby, so the fluids goes to an ostomy bag like above. I drew them with it on before.

[gxc-uzi-doorman]

Trust your guide to lead the way, I must now take my leave. Fare well.

”Uh, goodbye whoever you are I guess.” Uzi mutters with a wave

[Farewell, fellow Void born] Prima waves

[null-church-cynthea]

( art not mine )

You see a tiny winged child wandering around

"Hello, little one," Cynthea softly says as she approaches the child, "Are you lost?"

[genuflectx]

I've lurked in the Suno AI Discord about a month (from when I was looking into these AI tools) and looks like the regular Suno AI users there finally started questioning Church of Null. So looks like even their Discord members are under the impression that CoN is Suno/AI. Womp womp.

These are public chats, but I've blocked out the usernames to be polite.

Bro.. when even the AI people question your ethics 😭

[malia-the-keeper]

Wow, helpful :(

Malia cackles at the anons response before composing herself

“Alright, I’ve had my fun. For a fair number of us, just look for a random [Null]. Others will be oftentimes patrolling so you may catch them then.”

[solver-host-r]

We'll make Hell run Cold, the Heavens Fall

As will we...

The Solver looks at the table and waves their hand, pieces of drones on plates appearing as they gesture towards them invitingly

R looks unsure for a moment before picking a piece up and eating it, letting out a surprised hum at the taste