#[;; Cersei Answers ]

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*Cersei and Tywin rejecting the proposal from Willas Tyrell and instead marry Joanna lookalike! to loras so she won't be able to have any children*

Joanna lookalike * has bastard children with willas anyways*

Ceresi and tywin: "fuck"

Bestie, are we in each other’s heads? Cause I was thinking about this too!

First off, I just want to start off by saying that I wholeheartedly imagine Joanna!Lookalike!Reader having a very Rhaenyra and Laenor relationship with Loras. They are totally platonic soulmates coded and I will not be taking any arguments. Also, Margaery and Joanna!Lookalike!Reader having a relationship of their own similar to Rhaenyra and Laena, you can’t tell me otherwise, I won’t hear any of it.

I can just imagine all of the Tyrell family being in on the whole thing, save for Mace. No one’s telling him shit.

Cersei and Tywin would be utterly shocked when they get word that Joanna!Lookalike!Reader is with child. They’re all the more horrified to learn that this isn’t even the first one. I could see Tywin making immediate plans to head to Highgarden as soon as possible. He would have left the second he got the news but he can’t show how truly concerned and panicked he is. And you can bet Cersei is making her way to Highgarden too, probably against Tywin’s wishes, but she just needs to see her precious bby. She needs to know her beloved daughter is safe and healthy. The absolute worst would be going through Tywin and Cersei’s minds all the while.

I just imagine Cersei and Tywin rolling up to Highgarden separately but at the same time, they couldn’t careless for Mace and his buffoonery, trying to show them about the place and telling them useless facts about this or that, they just want to see their Joanna!Lookalike. Finally they’re brought to the gardens where the rest of the family is and there they see heavily pregnant Joanna!Lookalike!Reader sitting and laughing with Margaery, both women’s hands lovingly caressing her swollen belly. Loras is further out with one of ‘their’ children in his arms showing them the different flowers growing about the garden. And Willas is holding the other child in his arms as they sleep, he and Garlan talking away. Olenna is the first to see Tywin and Cersei and she greets them with a proud, near shit eating grin. This right here is hers; her happy, loving, little family. Growing strong.

I would also love to think that when Joanna!Lookalike!Reader went away to Highgarden she took Sansa with her to further protect her and keep her safe from Cersei and Joffrey. Not only that but the thought of how Cersei and or Tywin would react to Tyrion being there too, that alone showing them that he knew all this time that Joanna!Lookalike!Reader was with child more than once and didn’t notify them whatsoever.

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I find it hilarious that pre-HotD gif sets of Cersei/Rhaenyra were everywhere. Two blonde psycho Queens who have a penchant for luxury, incest and bastards; the parallels are right there!

Then HotD comes out and it’s suddenly how dare you compare our beautiful, amazing Messiah Queen to evil Cersei! I kid you not I’m getting TBs insist Rhaenyra has more in common with Catelyn 🤣

No Rhaenyra has nothing in common with Catelyn. She is so much like Cersei it's wild.

I honestly love Cersei, and I think book Rhaenyra is cool as well. But this Fandom (Rhaenyra stans) don't want to admit that the woman they hated in GoT is the most like Rhaenyra.

They both had three bastard children and tried to have them take the throne. They both used their sexuality against men to get their way. They were both called Maegor or compared to Maegor. They were both hated by the smallfolk. And they were both spoiled by their fathers.

To run off what you said though Anon I notice TB Rhaenyra stans think she's the most like Visenya which is mind boggling to me. Because no, it is Alicent who is the most like Visenya.

They were both second wives or in this case the sceond ones to give a child. They both put their son on the throne even though it went again the pervious monarchs wishes. They both were the mothers of the living King in a dance of the dragons. Maegors was smaller as it was only him verses Aegon the uncrowded but still. They both had sons who wore the Conquers crown. They were both cunning and politically savvy.

Like sorry but if Rhaenyra met Visenya she would've laughed in her face (show and book Rhaenyra) and hugged Alicent (at least book her)

Thanks for the ask Anon!

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Ok listen. Do you ever just think about things like Robb, Ned, & Lyanna haunting the narrative? Robb and Jon dying close to the same age, but Jon is the only one coming back? Or things like “it feels as though her heart has turned to stone” (hinting at Lady Stoneheart) to “Tullys return to the river when they die” and then Catelyn just 😭😭😭 they DUMP her body in the river after they kill her. The fact that Jon and Cat come back as something else - themselves, but not quite themselves. And then I just think about how Jaime is the only one who was ever really truly kind to Tyrion. And Elia cooing at baby!Tyrion, Oberyn remarking how Tyrion is just a baby in his eyes, not a monster! Or when Viserion is a mama’s boy and is super clingy w Dany, and he might be the dragon that’s used against her 😭 her sweet boy, her precious Viserion

Sorry these thoughts haunt my brain all the time and had to get it out 😂

the way im looking at you rn. these thoughts are my mantra before i fall asleep at night.

I have so much i wanna say but maybe I should break these down and write different essays for each part because. You are

so

right

and you should say it.

Some of these I've already touched on, if anyone is interested, or missed them!!

Jaime loves Tyrion.

Lyanna (and Elia) haunt the narrative and I'm angey about it.

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If Rhaenyra married Daemon while Laenor was still alive and gave birth to Aegon and viserys, wouldn’t they be bastards too?

And if they are then Daenerys’ line shouldn’t technically inherit the throne. The next legitimate heir would have been Rhaena’s or Baela’s children but nobody knew

exactly anon, the show wanted to avoid the ‘bury your gays’ trope, but accidentally made bastards of all of rhaenyra’s children. or they could be legitimate: my personal pet theory is that the little rowboat that laenor escaped in was unfortunately ambushed by a mercenary ship, courtesy of daemon.

daenerys shouldn’t inherit the throne because the kingdom was rightfully conquered by robert, so she doesn’t have a claim to the IT by succession anymore. the targaryen line was replaced by the baratheon line. if we go by ‘lawful’ inheritance the rightful king is stannis and his heir is shireen, but again, the throne was (kinda) conquered by the lannisters, so now the baratheon line was replaced by the lannister line.

daenerys can win the 7K by conquest, and the ‘rightful heir’ thingy will only be a way to make her reign be accepted more easily. one big thing in asoiaf is that no one has an inherent right to the throne, and often the kingdom is gained by bigger army diplomacy. robert admitted it: he came and won the war, now he’s king. maesters brought up his grandmother rhaelle as a way to give him more legitimacy, but what could they do really? try and get him out of the throne and start another war?

if daenerys wins her conquest war the lords will make many excuses about her being ‘the rightful queen’ because she’s the last targaryen, but the truth is that no one can keep her from taking the throne even if she wasn’t. until another dude pops up and takes the throne from her and arguments about this new person being the rightful heir if we go by this tradition or blah blah come up again.

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I've seen crazies say that daemyra is what cersei/jaime shippers think their ship is.

it's so crazy bc, like, as much as I see the gothic doubles in daemyra, it's very explicitly a relationship of dramatic inequality. they're only doubles in the sense that they represent everything the other lacks and wants of the other sex. jaime and cersei also have that; their relationship is very much shaped by them being as identical as man and woman can be (which, at the end of the day, means being irrevocably different).

jaime saying if he were a woman, he'd be cersei, cersei's musings about how she should've been the one to be given the sword... that other-sex-envy and mutual recognition of symmetry are at the center of their love, desire and resentment of each other. it's very much kate bush singing "if I only could make a deal with god and get him to swap our places".

alternatively, daemyra is a lot less about the agonies of isomerism and more about... the literal inequality of gender. as much as I do believe rhaenyra's desire for daemon was fuelled by him being what she believes to be the male version of herself (and possibly vice versa), there's so little actual understanding/equivalence between them.

there's none of that "we're one soul in two bodies" feverish belief. there's never been a moment where I thought "oh, they want to die together so bad". they're not codependent. rhaenyra doesn't actualy want to be daemon nor daemon wants to be her: she wanted the freedom and dignity a man like daemon is afforded, he wanted to be loved by viserys the way only a daughter could.

they are not even true reflections of each other. the very inception of their relationship was unequal: she was a teenage girl and he an adult who groomed her. she thought he was her other half, and grew up to learn they couldn't be more different.

to be fair, jaime and cersei's arc also involves realising you're not, in fact, the same person. but that's bc they're literally not one person. it's about the impossibility for two to be one and how destructive it is to try. rhaenyra’s realisation instead is an understanding that she was a child being sold a fantasy that turned out to not be in her best interest, that she was naive.

it's an interesting story, but it's decidedly less romantic and satisfying than what jaimecersei have. I can't think of a single reason ppl would argue that daemyra is a better story than jaimecersei, except that maybe they're desperate to justify why they ship incest now that it's a grown man and a child, but condemned anyone who shipped it when it was jaime and cersei lol

[duchess-of-oldtown]

So my English lecturer talked about ASOIAF today and described Cersei and Jaime "freaky" rather than just saying they're fucking and I had to sit there amongst actual normal human beings like

[crazerk]

addendum to the previous post. if anyone touches my fictional children, i will kill everybody and then myself.

My favorite scene from GOT is this scene where Cersei takes revenge for death of Marcella.

Like evilness aside she was 100% willing to go nuclear over her kids and I stan that.

[krytus]

i literally dont even care if media is good. you show me a bitch blowing people up for fun/revenge and i will be like YAYYYY always

[anxiousnerdwritings]

A question about Joanna!lookalike reader.

When she leaves for the north because robert wants her to be able to have the freedom to express her self. is it at first just to stay their, or was there disscusstion of marriage with the Stark family before being sent off?

Also i see that jon snow may be intrested in Joanna!lookalike reader👀

Prehaps when request open i might ask for something about that

I like to imagine that not only is Robert’s first thought to get Joanna!Lookalike!Reader out from the suffocating and distressful environment she’s in but that he would also go with her himself to make sure she gets there safe and settles in alright. Not to mention he definitely wants to fill Ned in on everything going on, spilling all the absolute piping hot tea, and you can bet that big man isn’t leaving without at least discussing the idea of some near future betrothing going on.

You can also be assured that when Robert and the Reader take off for the North, it’s late into the evening/early morning as to not have Cersei finding out cause she would surely throw a massive bitch fit. Robert wouldn’t want her to know of any of his plans to have the Joanna!Lookalike!Reader reside in the North for however long she needs to. Not to mention it would only spite her all the more that she have no knowledge of the Reader’s being sent off.

A part of me likes to imagine that Jaime is well aware of these plans, hell he’s probably on watch when Robert and the Reader leave but he keeps his mouth shut cause he knows deep down that Joanna!Lookalike needs this more than ever after the breakdown they had at dinner that one night. Unlike his sister and father, Jaime does see past the Joanna resemblance and acknowledges the Reader as their own person. And their breakdown just opened his eyes even more so to how much of a damaging effect this has had on them this whole time.

I feel like Robert not only wants to marry Joanna!Lookalike!Reader to Robb (or even Jon👀) to have his and Ned’s blood come together but also to give an excuse for the Reader to stay in Wingerfell and not have to come back home if they don’t want to.

You can bet your sweetcheeks that Jon is gonna be interested in Joanna!Lookalike. Especially given that I completely see the Reader just absolutely letting loose. This is the only chance they get to be as free as they’ll ever be and they’re going to take full advantage of it. They want to run wild, they want to get dirty, they want to not have to be perfect, they just want to be content as they are and I think that would really catch Jon’s attention. There will also of course be a sort of ‘friendly’ yandere rivalry between Jon and Robb for the Reader, not only for their attention but eventually for their hand in marriage as well. At least, it’ll start out friendly enough until things get serious.

If the Reader were to choose Jon, I like to think Robert would be a little more lenient about it. He’s definitely going to talk to Ned about legitimizing his bastard if that’s the case but I almost kinda feel like Robert would let it slide if that’s truly what the Joanna!Lookalike!Reader wanted given everything they’ve gone through and had put on them. Hell, he’s the fucking king he could legitimize Jon himself if he so wanted. And don’t tell him otherwise.

Or the Reader may as well happily give up their royal status if it meant they finally could be who they wanted to be with the person they truly wanted to be with. I could see that being the first thing that crosses Joanna!Lookalike’s mind when the idea of marrying Jon comes up. Heck, the Reader may purposely seek Jon out for his bastard status as an excuse to sever those ties with their suffocatingly overbearing family back home.

Gods, could you imagine yan!Jon Snow (especially Book!Jon Snow) finding out his darling was only with him for his bastard status and so they could strip themself of everything that came with the family they were a part of? As much as that would all hurt, I think what would hit him hardest is if his darling didn’t even remotely share the same romantic feelings for his as he did, not a shred of it. Maybe the Reader liked Jon platonically and saw him as a safer option to some degree. I could definitely see him guilt tripping/manipulating them into being intimate with him. Even if it’s holding his hand or kissing him on the lips. But those small acts would only last him so long, he’s starved after all and he wants nothing more than to feel all of the Reader’s love they have to give. Mentally, emotionally, and physically.

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irlplasticlamb cersei lannister art...world stop

CERSEIWIVES UNIONIZE ❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️

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Ik Rhaenys looked at Rhaenyra and said “twin🗣️ where have you been🗣️”

I think they all had fertility struggles. They weren’t sterile but all of them had issues hence why they conduit conceive easily. Rhaenys had an affair and got pregnant by accident. They all needed potent side pieces.

Side note: Also, notice how Aenys had multiple kids, his mother wasn’t fertile at all, since in all them years she didn’t get pregnant by her husband and his dad wasn’t fertile either since he had two wives and the children? Cauldron born and 90% likely Bastard. Yet he (Aenys) popped kids after after kids and Jaeherys too. As Maury said “IN THE MATTER OF AENYS TARGARYEN! AEGON YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER).

We could say that Aenys had kids because of his Velaryon wife but the conqueror’s were all half velaryon and the babies? No where to be found.

Regardless ,I still think,Rhaenys was having affairs (and I don’t judge 😘) wether Aenys is bastard or not. Everytime bring it up, I’m getting ganged on as if I said I don’t support women’s wrongs.

it would also conveniently explain the tension between visenya and rhaenys, especially if visenya KNEW that aenys was likely not aegons actual son and yet.......he gets to be the heir to the thrown???? a bastard???

also for YEARS visenya was not able to bear any children despite being married to aegon for over a decade, which already led to rumors that she might be barren and that aegon should even take another wife after rhaenys death. visenya already had to deal with rhaenys being the favorite, but now she could potentially be replaced completely?? all I'm saying is that visenya is not the type to sit by and watch this happen, and she would definitely be the kind of character to turn to......other means of procuring a child.

because how CONVENIENT is it that all the sudden visenya becomes pregnant with a SON the very next year. and then she tries to push that very son onto the throne because she still believes that aenys isn't the proper fit, even though he's technically the firstborn son

I'm jyst saying, the rumor that aegon never actually had any legitimate children is not one that can be fully rebuffed. these targaryens are absolutely nuts and the idea that the targaryen lineage is based of a complete farce is too tantalizing to completely ignore. and there's a reason these rumors were written in, because GRRM could have also easily written things different and given aegon like 12 sons or something....but he didn't

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I just realised that Aegon’s line might not have actually ended, it did end with his children with Helaena and the history books. But in the series we were shown his bastard child and Ser Arryk presumed there would be many more. So if any of them survived and their descendants survived Aegon’s line could still exist in game of thrones but they would be part of the smallfolk

oh i love the idea of some random white haired families in the main line of asoiaf, just chilling in king’s landing. some of them like to bathe in really hot water and others have weird dreams they just ignore lol.

but i think most importantly, aegon’s impact on his world is more than just the children he had. he mirrors some great rulers who didn’t have children (or survived them all), like alexander the great or elizabeth the first. even characters like daeron the first and aemon the dragonknight never had children but they’re remembered often because of their actions. daenerys will probably never have children of her own but she will be remembered for centuries to come for her deeds and dragons.

like it or not, westeros was never the same after aegon the second, just like it never would be the same after aegon the first. he had the most striking dragon in westeros, and the closest bond with him. he wrote the laws of succession in blood (unfair as they were), he buried all his enemies, he died with a crown on his head.

[daeneryscel]

Game of Thrones if it was written by Ryan Condal and Sara Hess: Cersei and Catelyn are in love, the show is all about them getting back to each other.

give this pairing to a fanfic writer and we’ll have a well-written 200,000 words story by next week, condal and hess on the other hand? cersei is now a religious nut whose father manipulated her when she was 15 and her fans refuse to let her grow past that, she abhors incest and anything related to it, she's a dutiful wife to robert but secretly pines for her lost love catelyn whom she's shown to have max two conversations with. all of catelyn's children are now bastards that she's passing off (and fuck her for doing so, am i right? we don’t condone bodily autonomy in this universe 😠) cersei spends the years since their fall out (obviously do to the big bad evil men controlling their every decision) trying to get said kids executed but don't worry though! catelyn doesn't actually give a shit about any of her children and is willing to throw them all away for a childhood fling, and so is cersei!!!

i hate the show :)))

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don’t u ever think that dean was way too cruel to sam at times? like he loved him. for sure lol. but man he was so freaking harsh sometimes which make so ill bc it is always mixed with so much worry and resentment and rage and Love and and and i hate him i hate them

Yes, absolutelyyyy. I think it's a classic sign of their not-so-platonic relationship actually; there's something particularly passionate about how much rage and resentment they have for each other, that just doesn't fester to that point in strictly brotherly relationships imo.

And dean specially can be so resentful and petty. He knows exactly what to say to get under sam's skin and what I find the most fascinating is how it rarely (if ever) feels like he's doing it to push sam away. He usually gets hurtful when he feels like he's losing control/losing sam.

I think it's largely an immature reactive behaviour, like "you hurt me, I hurt you", but also maybe bc john treated him like crap, his wires are crossed like that. Maybe listing sam's failures and how much he let him down, even if he doesn't mean all of it, makes him feel safer bc it's the model of love he had. I think it's awesome lol 😭

I mean, obviously it HURTS sam and, specially if you sympathise with him very closely, it's gonna be difficult to watch!! I think feeling ill from it might as well be the reaction the writers were hoping for. It's hard to watch cruelty between characters who are so intimate, but it'd be paradoxical, I think, not to expect the cruelty, unfairness and irrational behaviour. Loving ppl hurt each other, particularly if they're unwell (which they were) and it easily becomes a well-practiced and nasty recurring pattern if the relationship is long-lasting and emotionally precarious (which it was).

I like it when ppl point out this side of their relationship/personalities bc I feel like it's become so risqué to acknowledge that characters suck sometimes lol, but at the same time I'm so tenderly moved by these flaws? I hate to see them go ignored, but I also don't have it in me to dislike them.

I've particularly never experienced (intense, long-lasting) love where I didn't think to myself at least once "this person is killing me" lol. It's a part of getting close I think. Ofc it's much worse between those two bc they're fictional and hyper-traumatised <3

[joanna-lannister]

Just some random asks

Have you ever imagined what Cersei would wear in the real world? Brands, or styles, etc.

Among TV shows you like, what do you think Cersei and Jaime would enjoy watching together? (besides Game of Thrones, lmao)

And send my love to you, dear Marie ❤️

Hey Colette, thank you so much for your patience, for the ask and for the love 🤍🌷

Okay so, for brands, I don't have one specific in mind, but she would wear Luxury items, that's for sure. I don't think she would wear Chanel that much tho, because it's a bit oldish in term of style (tho she would have a bag). She would avoid Louis Vuitton and Gucci as well, because she finds it a bit vulgar. I think she would aim more for brands like Valentino, Prada, and maybe Miu Miu and Stella McCartney for some pieces (also, Agent Provocateur for lingerie 👀). For shoes, she would have a huge collection of Louboutins! This brand is so versatile, she would love it from the ballet flats to the high heels. As for her style overall, I've made a moodboard here (wanted to make more, but people didn't care that much and it was very time consuming). I think she would have a collection of mini-dresses, tailored style 60s, especially in Winter, with tights of course. In Spring/Summer, she would go for more flowy dresses. Then, she would have a collection of high-waisted skirts and blouses, mostly for work. A classic style, modern, but timeless. I think she would be a little bit more funky with accessories, like studs on the shoes or the belt. And rings! Lot of rings. As for the color palette: white, red (every shade), black and golden. Here's a few items I found that I think would go in her wardrobe:

For the shows, I think Jaime would LOVE Desperate Housewives. It's one of my headcanons for Modern AU!Jaime like, he would never miss an episode. Cersei, she would be more into thriller, dark shows, such as Sharp Objects, Peaky Blinders (I've never seen it, but I think she would enjoy it) or Boardwalk Empire. Also, they would love True Blood!

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It okay, I know you've been busy and Tumblr sometimes eats the asks and trust me, I try not to he too persistent Bout asks and I deeply apologize :(

In the ask, that scene where Tyrion played the game of thrones with Petyr, Lord Varys and Maester Pycelle about who he was going to propose a marriage between Myrcella with either Robin Ayrryn of the Vale (it's been awhile since I've watched it), Theon Greyjoy of the Salt Islands or even to Doane so she would be safe if King's Landing fell

What IF he also did the same thing for Joanna!lookalike? He knows that ever since Joffrey became king, things have been going down and Tyrion worries if his nieces will live through it; so thats when he sets plans into motion:

He tells Petyr Baelish that he plans to marry Myrcella to Robin Arryn and Joanna!lookalike to Robb Stark in hopes of ending this war

To Lord Varys, he tells him that he plans to wed Myrcella to Theon and Joanna!lookalike to Euron Greyjoy (not like he really would, he just testing for allies, plus Cersei kill him)

And he tells Maester Pycelle about marrying his nieces off to Dorne; when Myrcella wedded to Tristan I think his name was, and Joanna!lookalike to Oberyn Martell

And of course, Cersei is furious when she finds out as not only is it an insult to her, but to HER oldest daughter; forced to marry a man half her age just like Cersei was to Robert, plus Oberyn already has a paramour AND bastard daughters! So it's basically an insult to her daughter!! 😤

But Tyrion wants his nieces safe, especially for his eldest to he away from her overbearing family, forced to live in the same place as his mother as they basically dehumanize her from being her own person; so its best for her to he spirited away, have a breather away from her suffocating family... :(

In Tyrion’s mind he’s doing everything in his power to ensure Myrcella and Joanna!lookalike!Reader will be safe and protected but to Cersei this is just him trying to take away her precious children and a way to just simply hurt her. She sees nothing about this being for either of her girls’ safety. How could selling both her daughters to treacherous men in a cruel world come anywhere close to being protection??? The best protection either girl has is Jaime or the Mountain and both of them are right there in King’s Landing so why even bother outsourcing.

If Tyrion is so hellbent on sending away one of her daughters then Cersei would much rather have Joanna!Lookalike!Reader stay by her side where they belong. As much as she loves her darling Myrcella, Cersei can’t have the Reader taken away from her again.

Meanwhile, Tyrion isn’t just trying to keep his nieces safe, he’s also trying to get Joanna!lookalike far away from Cersei. He knows his sister and he knows she’ll only take Joanna!lookalike down with her in the end. At least this way the Reader will have a better chance at having some semblance of a fulfilling life so long as they’re away from Cersei and Tywin.

Speaking of which, without a doubt Cersei will run to their father to tell him all about what Tyrion is trying to do. Tywin will surely put a stop to it, at least he’d put a stop to Joanna!lookalike!Reader’s proposals. Myrcella would still end up being shipped off one way or another, sooner or later. But not the Reader, they’re off limits after all. And Tywin would have some very choice words for Tyrion for even thinking of doing such a thing with Joanna!lookalike!Reader in the first place.