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Okay, yes, he protected them and sheltered them and nurtured them and would have done anything for them, and he did he best to care for them, and yes they were his boys. But he was their captain, and he’d always be their captain, not their father, because you see he didn’t give birth to them and also is in no way responsible enough to claim that title for himself when everyone else worked so hard, so even if the idea was really really neat and even if he did look at Newgate’s whole “family” thing with curiosity it doesn’t really matter because they’re not his sons — even if sometimes he cursed their actual fathers in envy — and that was okay, because they were still his boys and he was their captain and that’s the same if not better because you see—
#[ crack ] ✧〖 play along for all the oceans wide 〗#tbt.#[ i am#[ still having so many thoughts#[ welcome to another day of 'rye is incredibly normal ab that guy whose been dead for 22 years' more at 12--- fjklsdf#[ talked ab this b4 and was trying to make a coherent hc post ab it but just rambling vibes instead#[ just#[ head in hands#[ he doesn't have a personal connection with the concept of 'fathers' so just doesn't care for it sdfjklsdfkl#[ captain though? captain's someone who protected their crew and cared for them and guided them#[ just god he'd make jokes about rayleigh being their mom and stuff while completely oblivious#[ and even!! when not oblivious!! he would just not. realize why it's a big deal coming from someone else besides buggy or shanks#[ besides if they wanted him to call them their sons they'd mention it right? surely they knew they could tell him that and it wouldn't feel#[ forced in anyway bc roger isnt like that#[ and the fact that he would be /so/ enthusiastic about being able to call shanks and buggy his sons if he DID.#[ get it through his thick skull#[ if he understood what it /meant/ and understood that they /wanted/ it he'd be over the Moon#[ but he doesn't so he's not#[ and also just keenly aware that shanks n buggy Would have died or otherwise been really fucked up if left in his care alone#[ he tries and when it comes to it he's a good father-- sorry captain but also he is Incredibly irresponsible#[ just... doesnt know#[ he doesnt get it#[ /he doesnt get it/#[ slams fist on floor#[ film red got me feeling a certain self indulgent way fdslkjsdflkjsd#[ still rotating concept of roger pretending to be buggy n shanks' father somehow ignoring how it'd be incredibly hard to get roger to#[ pretend ab something like that#[ bc if somehow did it rly would just be 'wow that was really nice sure wished it were possible to do more oh well!'#[ he is just so#[ god
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Holy shit i just realized i never shared my crack ship idea bc i ended up getting depressed that day ANYWAY; CRACKSHIP IDEA: HARRY/WALT (green phone)
REASONING: Walt specifically has a history with Harry (whether this means Harry was the phoney in the stripclub eludes me and isnt the point) since when you ask him about his coworkers he mentions they go way back, even calls him by his first name and calls him reliable meaning they most likely ARE friends. To this add the fact that it was Harry's proposal to send him to the factory (unlike Jake and Roger who both dread the thought) and the fact that Walt comes back from it Miserable. He clearly wasn't trained either (Jack has to tell him his new name) so someone needs to teach him the ropes around here.
On top of this, and now we're stepping into a bit of more personal interpretations perhaps, but as far as i'm aware from all the lines i re-read I dont think there's any evidence that Harry saw any fresh out of the factory phone guys (closest was Joe but that was previous to his memory being gone, and Harry was REALLY sad about it too). He did work on the factory for a while but it seemed he was more on the management side (also he was only 3 months there). I also really think Walt's procedure got botched, most likely because the breach in time between the creations of any phones, i mean, shouldnt he be a gen 3? Why the hell does he suffer from amnesia? He was also as previously stated not even trained. It's like they haphazardly put him back together (does a machine do the entire process, not just the head replacement? has the machine gotten any mantainence in all these years? etc)
So, to paint a full picture: You have an utterly miserable fresh off the factory phone guy with amnesia, the last one to be ever made (hopefully, probably) and you got his friend and the person who proposed this fate for him (not the culprit, that's Jack [YOU CHOSE THIS] F. Kennedy), one of the oldest phones ever made. And as i'm done writing this i realize the ship factor is honestly pretty secondary i think there's a lot to explore here even in a platonic way too. Something about being faced with the consequences of your actions and being forced to question what you thought was right and wrong while also not getting time to stop because not only does the company need him but also this guy who no one else is gonna help needs him.
Are you listening to me. I'm grabbing you and shaking you by the shoulders do you understand what i'm saying?
#luly talks#i feel in a way it parallels even harry and joe's relationship except he's the guiding one here LIKE ARE YOU HEARING ME#CAN ANYONE HEAR ME IT'S SO DARK IN HERE#dsaf#dsaf harry#dsaf walt#harry fitzgerald#walt grouse#dsaf green phone
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I just can't get with stevetony bc consistently and repeatedly it feels like a shipper fangirl phenom where they all only like 1 of the ship and hate the other guy and just want him to be arm candy for they fave
like idgaf abt captain colonizer tho im still waiting for marvel writers to finally understand that if steve was actually the moral force they portray him as then he wouldve drop the colonizer costume and shield yesterday, but omfg why do stony shippers hate Steve sm?
everywhere i go the shippers - really theyre just ironman fans - rag on Steve and everything abt him and anything that points to him being a character that originated from a diff franchise, and the only times they don't is when theres commercial cashgrab crossover slop that characterizes him as bland and historyless as possible. like ffs they all think that shitty avengers academy mobile game is his "best" version. atp the whole ship feels like an exercise in removing character traits until theres nothing but a blond blue eyed character design left
Honestly I think it depends on which side of the fandom your in because what you're talking Abt reminds me of the MCU Stony fandom.
Most of the people who like MCU Stony are people who mostly try cope with the fact that there wasn't really much relationship build off from Steve In that universe, because he was bland, similar to how I feel about emh Steve and EMH Stony in general despite me shipping it myself.
I think that most Stony fans don't hate Steve they just wish that the writers would like.. write him, like , good. An example of a Steve I think everyone can agree on is AA Steve, which is known for being some the best Steve characterizations we've gotten in a while, because of the way Roger Craig Smith does his softer voice and normal Steve voice that displays both a captain and a caring person that would try and help out with your problems.
And as much as I don't agree with the "Captain Colonizer" Statement, mostly because Steve is a representation of the people of America not the government, as much as marvel tries to make it seem that way cap is someone that helps the little guys and unless there's a habit avengers level threat or just something happening down town, he doesn't go side with the government, evident by the fact that in AA (S2/3ish) neither Steve and tony were working with the government, it was obviously on already uneasy terms, but after they showed lack of remorse for human lives, it ended up leading the team to split up publicly and work to help everyone underground away from ultrons weird government bullshit that entire season.
And afiak, They stopped "uneasily" working with the government after this, it was really only with big events like thanos and ultron anyway, and the avengers work alone, and they don't like being controlled by government pencil necks who don't care.
Although it should be noted that, most other Steve vary on this position, Im not gonna use civil war as a talking point here cuz both the comic and the movies adaptations are shit and Steves feelings towards the government are a lot more wishy washy in 616, and the MCU is a huge example of going in the wrong direction with how to do that. And the fact that if we're being honest Steve would go down to wherever shits going down and help him fucking self. he don't take that shit, he will defend the side of the right. Hes not about that wishy washy government bullshit as much as marvel's military funded ass shitty movie cinematic universe will try to make you believe and just and fyi: all the mcus shit is from ults.. AND IT ISNT THE GOOD STUFF FROM ULTS!!!
But anyway, most people hate Steve because they don't like the fact that Steves character keeps getting worse and worse, even more bastardized, and flanderized, and written terrible, by people who don't understand the complexites or history of his character, which end us with a problem where there are conflicts with newer steve fans who like his flanderized ults-like take in the MCU, or the comic fans who like his original version and would like for him to return back to something that truly represents him as a person, whether or not he has changed since then is entirely separate and goes too indepth so I'll leave it to the wolves.
Also, yeah most Stony fans are Tony fans, you can't have one without the other, because Tony is a key part of making the relationship work, and from what I've found Most Steve tony shippers like them both but there's either a dissonance between liking one more than the other or liking them equally, and I think that remains prevalent outside of the MCU.
And for your final question, no, most Stony fans don't think avac Steve is the best character version, idk where you got that from, but it wasn't the fandom no siree, that seems a bit biased. And as I've said earlier, the consensus on "best Steve" usually seems to be either 616 Steve or Aa Steve, me personally I like aa steve more but my other friend likes 616 Steve, and I think it really comes down to these two because one is really solid adaptable and the other is the original character finally becoming good again with writers who care about him, (tony too, hes the main reason I got back into cap comics!)
Sorry this answer is kind of long, there isn't really much of a concrete answer besides that most people hate Steve because they wish he wants written so badly 😭 it's kinda sad, but I hoped this answered your question!!! If ya have anything else to ask to drop me another ask ^_^
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a sight beyond death: timeline differences & other notes
so i wrote a fic. its partially alins fault. because the timeline diverges with changes i feel are relevant but didnt write in full bc the fic itself starts up after many of them, i decided to compile them here for perusal, alongside some other background headcanons alin and i decided upon regarding L, B and wammys house. probably a very long post, i will update later as well if more comes up or i forgot something 👍
jan 1 2004 (just over a month after light got his death note), sayu goes to deliver a change of clothes for her father and encounters misora naomi at the station. hearing her intent on meeting with the kira task force, sayu strikes a conversation because of her father, and the two of them wait together while sayu waits for her father to call her back after she messages him.
naomi is able to get in touch with L after speaking with soichiro via sayus phone and joins the task force; she informs L of her suspicions regarding kira being able to kill with methods besides 'heart attacks'
due to naomis information, suspicion on light increases
jan 8 surveillance begins on the kitamura and yagami families. during this week, sayu gets into an argument with her mother sachiko regarding her grades and when sachiko compares her to light (unfavorably), sayu storms off. while light is at cram school she goes into his room and triggers the diary trap, setting the house on fire. the investigation has hiccups here because of the fire but it doesnt actually matter in detail rn cuz i am not writing it all
at some point in january, B escapes his prison. because he needed so much medical attention, L arranged for him to be in a long term care facility as he recovered from skin grafts and physical therapy, because after losing B wouldnt leave anyway (he fully intended to resign himself to this until he saw the kira news). when he recovered from his final surgery and was being arranged transport to an actual prison, he escaped :) yay!!
roger alerts watari and L of this happening and L decides not to worry about it. naomi is like dude. i think we should worry. i decided he doesnt tell her about B escaping
the yagami family begin living in a hotel as their house undergoes reconstruction after the fire, though they contemplate moving to another local residential area. kiras murders slow marginally, a pace unnoticed by most, as light is unable to write as often and with as much as privacy in the hotel
when he makes it into to-oh in april his family decides to let him live on campus for a semester because the house isnt ready yet. L thinks this is awesome because he can just wire the dorms. light has to keep taking a potato chip and eating it 🙄
april 25h the phrase shinigami is used by the 2nd kira in the videotapes, as is a reference to "eyes". Ls visceral reaction is because of B, which he informs only naomi of in private he doesnt say anything actually because he doesnt feel like it
june 8th, a week into confinement, light gives up his ownership of the death note
june 9th, L wakes up to B atop him, having broken into his room. due to the fact misa & light have forfeited their death notes, he can see both their names and times of death when L involves him in the investigation, so there is nothing noticeably off about them
theres like a full week of everyone being super disturbed by L and B before the yotsuba group starts killing people as "kira" other additional notes/headcanons: i decided Ls real name is not L Lawliet because that sounds stupid as hell im sorry. but i also decided no matter what even if i decide on a name i like, i wont ever reveal it in the story. only B will ever know and any time it gets spoken or thought by him (or by shinigami) its going to be redacted Bs grandfather is actually japanese. he has no idea if his grandmother is because he never met her/she died before he was born; he met his grandfather several times. this is why he repeatedly uses japanese aliases and why naomi didnt go huh? whys some white guy got a japanese name? however, one of Bs parents is welsh and he probably grew up in wales. why...? its funny. B and L actually had a lot of impact on each other and they sort of cannibalized one anothers identity and mannerisms in their childhood even though L wasnt always at the orphanage. after A died they both subconsciously picked up some of his habits as well, as if to keep him "alive" in them both (and in the identity of L) so like, basically B used to sit like a frog and L started doing that because B does it; B chews his fingers because L does it; they both hold things the way they do because A used to do that; they both started preferring strawberries over their old favorites because strawberries were As favorites....so on. "L" is, in a way, already an amalgamation of B, A, and L; L himself had little sense of self and identity as he was molded by wammy into a "genius detective", and B and A, who were not only the only two people in his age range he ever socialized with but also two people being conditioned to become backups of him as a person....well uh there was a lot going on. basically. ❤ so tldr B and L are essentially amalgamations of each other. and of A. yay. unrelated to B, L and A but when were talking about all this alin and i realized that mello would have been 2 years old during the fall of yugoslavia and his childhood was probably insane even before watari scooped him up for his genius orphan exploitation program. just thought that was ummmm Interesting <3
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Tumblr lgbt discourse makes me so mad bc it makes the lives of people who are probably already insecure and have no access to a real life lgbt community so much harder than they have to be.
I've already talked about how much acecourse has fucked with my head and how it taught me to be ashamed of being ace, bc the 'jokes' and insults were so much more hurtful coming from other lgbt people.
But i havent talked about how healing real life encounters with lgbt communities are. I'm from a very small village, there are no lgbt youth groups or organisations i could join, so whenever im in a bigger city i try to seek out public lgbt spaces. I went to a lgbt centric bookshop last week and when i saw that they had a special little section for asexuality related books i was close to tears.
Online spaces, especially tumblr, have taught me that part of my identity is always going to be debated over, that there are so many people who will want to exclude me from the community, who think my identity is the perfect opportunity for them to get all snarky for clout or who think its ok to take apart my entire personality, just so they can find the one part that isnt "valid" so they can exclude me from the community. You dont know how truly damaging this is until you come to a space where youre just accepted without an extensive background check and youre like. Oh. This is what the community is supposed to be like.
And it sucks so much, bc so many people and kids will only ever experience lgbt spaces online and as great as the Internet is at bringing people together, people will say shit on here they wouldnt DARE say in real life.
Lmao imagine these silly exclusionist debate or joke posts irl. Youre in a queer space (Bar, bookshop, Coffeeshop whatever) and this heavy breathing weirdo just blasts out "i dont think asexuals should be here actually. Hahaha, theyre so weird with their cake jokes. How cringe! I think Steve rogers is an exclusionist hahaha". It wouldnt happen like that, bc most people online are cowards and if they saw the little asexuality booksection and that people were completely normal about it, they suddenly wouldnt feel all powerful and smart for making their little statements.
Anyways, i'm glad that tumblr has decided to finally calm down about acecourse, but i see a lot of other infighting like ppl forcing bi/pan conflict, pronoun discourse, people having to expose their entire personal history so that weirdoes on the Internet can decide if theyre valid or not, 'no kink at pride' or shit like transmeds and it makes me so sad.
Why are you willfully making the community a hostile space just in case you can weed out some fakes who say theyre lgbt for?? Idk?? Why would someone lie about being lgbt on tumblr? Literally what do they gain from it? The monthly payment for being gay on tumblr?
Youre not protecting anyone by being a snarky little shit, youre not fighting transphobia by making jokes about neo pronouns, youre not supporting bi people by needlessly shitting on pan people or the other way round, youre not making the community better by forcing discourse that literally nobody irl cares about. Youre just trying to look woke for bullying people.
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