#; hopefully it won't stay a WIP 👀

[regina-del-cielo]

I'm compelled to ask about the secret fjskgf, but dreams since birth?? 👀

fddghlhjk hopefully the Secret won't stay secret for long (the snippet I posted on the WIP Wednesday post is from that, if it helps in the meantime), that said -

Dreams from Birth is based on the "what if the Guard dreamt of each other since the new immortal is born rather than first died" post (that I can't find anymore), mostly centred on Nile with Big Cameos from the rest of the gang. It's a huge beast that I haven't worked on in years. One day, maybe. One day. [stares at the horizon like a forlorn lover]

One day, Nile’s Daddy walks out of the door, and doesn’t come back. Mommy explains to her that Daddy is working somewhere far away, and will come back in a few months. Nile is three years old, and that time feels like eternity. She cries for her Daddy, feels unsettled and wrong. Other adults and their kids come to the house, aunts and uncles and cousins. She doesn’t feel like playing with the other children. She overhears one of them tell their mom that she’s boring. She sticks her tongue out at them, and gets put in time out. That night, she sees the man with the curls in her sleep pick up a pack of crayons and draw. The man with the big nose sings to him. It’s a song she’s heard him sing many times. She likes it. The next morning, she hugs her Mommy, tells her she’s sorry for her grumpiness. Her Mommy hugs her tight, telling her that it’s normal and that she misses Daddy too. Nile spends the rest of the day drawing with her crayons. She draws Mommy and Daddy and her. Then, in the corner, she draws the man with the curls, making sure to make his smile as big as she remembers it from her dreams. She likes his smile. In Malta, Joe wakes up with giddiness brimming from every cell of his body. Nicky is already awake and smiling over him. “Nile likes my smile, Nico.” He whispers, biting his lip to try and stop his face from splitting in two. That little girl surprises him with every new dream. “She has good taste, amore mio.” Nico replies, peppering his husband’s face with tiny kisses. “I have to call Booker,” Joe announces, voice full of triumph. “Our little sister is going to be an artist, I can feel it!”

[evilkitten3]

i actually just checked to see if you replied like a day ago so no worries i am always up to scream about my nonsense

the frieza force doesn't get cable so the soldiers have to make their own fun

saiyans are space apes but also space pandas in that conservationists would like them to have sex now please. of course they had artificial means of baby-making so the biggest problem was finding saiyans to sit around and keep an eye on the baby tanks (and like. raise the ones who weren't being sent off to planets to murder everybody)

certainly not that would be ridiculous 👀

prince of all bullshitters

(i unfortunately may not be able to regain a lot of the wip stuff i had on my old computer but fortunately i actually hadn't gotten too much down (except,,,, the language stuff,,,, but that's,,,,,,, fine,,,,,,,,,,,,, *quiet sobbing in the distance*) so hopefully that won't put too big a dent in my plans)

frieza doesn't know about that superstition but if he did he would find it hilarious. possibly he would see if he could force them all to name their kids after themselves. he's something of a jerk

raditz ended up with vegeta out of sheer dumb luck. he got sent off with a squad of saiyans to go wipe out a planet, and then when they were heading back his pod malfunctioned and he stayed behind to fix it. it took way longer than it should've (vegeta eventually theorized that he got a call from his mom or something but raditz always insisted that that was absurd bc he was a Proper Saiyan Warrior who would not delay a mission just to talk to his mommy vegeta yeesh) and by the time he made it back to planet vegeta, planet vegeta wasn't there anymore. so he just kinda,,,, sat there trying to figure out if he'd somehow gotten the coordinates wrong until someone from the frieza force found him and frieza decided vegeta could keep him (very generous of him, in his opinion, to publicly spare the son of the man who'd tried to start a revolt against him. frieza's just such a nice guy like that)

oh it's messy as hell from the start, but it definitely also went from "kinda ok" to "really fucking bad" to "careful balancing act" to "now everybody's fucking dead". most of this was vegeta's fault but in his defense all of his coping mechanisms are terrible. and it's not like the other two didn't have their own issues that vegeta mostly straight-up did not notice bc his world is focused on HIM thank you very much

bulma should always be some level of problematic. is it really even bulma if she's not making you think "girl what the hell and fuck is wrong with you"?

one day. one day i will scream about that in more than random unconnected posts. this i swear

oh that's easier. turns out when you spend your formative years getting the absolute shit kicked out of you (and also having very unreliable access to food bc SOMEONE keeps revoking your access ZARBON), you get a bit stunted. raditz also had the food issue but he managed to avoid permanent height damage by not actively trying to piss off every person who breathed within ten lightyears of him (vegeta isn't sure what's up with that, he's gotten so much stronger from it all! i mean sure he can't remember what he did last week or yesterday but hey he's stronger so that's pretty neat) (nah but really raditz was very VERY aware of how weak he was compared to almost everyone around him so he ended up becoming more of a sneaky survivalist than a Proper Saiyan Warrior. he does take the chance to revel in it whenever he actually IS the strongest person in the fight tho. as i'm sure you know, this ended very well for him)

ok so saiyan lifespans are incredibly weird and hard to figure out, which is not at all helped by the fact that the vast majority of saiyans die in battle, well before they've started showing many traits of what we humans would consider "old person-ness". as far as anyone could tell, most saiyans who made it without dying in combat would get to around 80 or so and then start aging like a human would (although usually when this happened saiyans would go out and find someone to fight to the death bc who wants to let a disease get you? bleh). so, typically speaking, a saiyan could expect to live about the same about of time as a human. unlike humans, there are exceptions. most notable is vegeta ii, but there was also one saiyan woman who lived to at least 300 - allegedly completely naturally - before finally kicking the bucket. there are a couple other records of saiyans living comically long amounts of time, but no one was ever able to find a pattern that explained it (although vegeta ii is the only one ever suspected of maybe not playing fair but she was nearly 900 when her son finally got her and she still looked at MOST 50 so that was kinda a gimme. "i told death he can have me when he beats me in a fight" only really works the first couple centuries; after that people start to wonder what's up).

i haven't watched gt and only really have a vague understanding of it, so not really. there are various remnants of the tuffle empire scattered here and there but it's been a VERY long time since then so anything sentient has likely come and gone (well i guess it could be out there in theory but. it's sir not appearing in this fanfic universe, basically)

the exact origin of the spear isn't fully known. allegedly it was the spear her dad stole and used to spearhead (hehe) the saiyan revolt, but while the spear itself was likely tuffle-made, there's really not much evidence that vegeta i ever used it. it's not impossible, but it's pretty unlikely. the most probable theory anyone came up with (note: no one came up with any theories about vegeta ii until vegeta iii's reign. this is generally regarded to have been "a wise move") was that she wanted something that could symbolize her power, and the spear iconography eventually morphed into the royal crest. to be clear, tho, just bc she didn't use it much doesn't mean she didn't know how. several people made that mistake, but none of them ever made it twice.

ok so basically the saiyans intended to just take the tuffle planet for themselves but uh. they kinda seriously fucked it up in all the fighting (the official story is that the tuffles sabotaged it when they realized they were losing, which is definitely probably also somewhat true, although they might've just been fucking it up before the saiyans rebelled) and had to go somewhere else. vegeta i entrusted his daughter to lead the people into the future (well, she said he did, and she was. very persuasive. look saiyans respected strength even back then and she was more than capale of beating up/killing anyone who questioned her rule disrespected her father's wishes). anyhow. the new planet wasn't like barren or anything but there wasn't sentient species or anything; it was kinda a rough place to live.

possibly! in this universe, "yamoshi" was the given name of vegeta i, and there were multiple records stating that he'd achieved some kind of power that went beyond the usual oozaru transformation. vegeta ii was the one who officially dubbed it "super saiyan". this is partly why vegeta iv was so certain he'd become a super saiyan - it's literally in his blood (although technically the term "super saiyan" was coined to described a transformation that one achieved as sort of an upgraded oozaru form, so vegeta ii likely wouldn't have considered vegeta iv's transformation as the same thing. she's dead tho so she doesn't get a say)

honestly, i went back and forth a LOT on that. i dislike the concept of destruction gods in general, but whis is an extremely convenient character to have around, and ultimately his usefulness outweighed my distaste for dbs's worldbuilding. so yes, the gods of destruction DO exist, but there are significantly more limitations concerning what they're allowed to do. i have not decided whether or not zeno exists but i'm trying very hard to find a way to justify not having him at all.

there definitely were all those things but i'm still working on establishing them for the most part. also i'm out of characters lol

@blueper-saiyan

#Not sure if I’m allowed to pull out these tags as a separate reblog#but that is an interesting and fucked up theory I like it#and absolutely want to hear the long version#vegeta

you absolutely are as far as i'm concerned but since op's post was getting a bit long i'll respond here

dbz always reblog i have a theory that there's actually a reason for this it stems from my theory that vegeta's mom doesn't exist bc he's a clone of his dad basically it eventually become obvious that frieza was going to take whichever kid was heir to the throne so king vegeta (kv i guess) went ''aight we need a Super Baby (no tuffles allowed) and i'm the coolest guy on the planet. need a baby me'' so he gets a bunch of the buffest nerds imaginable (be real saiyan scientists like the job bc they get to fight physics) and start working kv: i need this kid to last as long as possible we're gonna need to buy some time scientists: got it boss *proceed to make the universe's most ridiculously hard to kill infant* how's this kv: excellent. frieza catch! frieza: oh this is adorable! i'm going to traumatize it =) <-an extremely brief summary of my hc

(^the tags in question)

ok so first there are a couple of things i need to get out of the way ahead of time– namely, i'm not the first person to come up with the vegeta-is-a-clone idea; the first person i saw with that idea was someone who wrote a fic i read a while back that i'm blanking on the name of at the moment, and while their version is massively different from mine, the core concept of clone!veggie is more or less the same

the second thing is that i get way too into world building sometimes and so a lot of pieces of my hcs get mixed up with one another and often don't fit in with established canon (which isn't like abnormal or anything but i want to clarify that i already know some of this doesn't perfectly slot up. in my defense the db timeline doesn't even match up with itself half the time)

the final thing is that while i've seen bits of the anime and the first handful of super episodes, i'm mostly a manga fan, so i view any non-manga parts of dragon ball as free real estate

buckle up, i was not kidding about the length (*immature snickering*)

SO.

first and foremost the relationship between the tuffles and the saiyans: the tuffles are described as being a peaceful yet technologically advanced race, but in my hc, they're a bit more complicated than that. for starters, i don't see how a supposedly peaceful race is going to have high-tech blasters, and while it's possible that they're for defensive purposes, it... really doesn't give off that vibe. also they were super into some fairly questionable science, some of which objectively involved human experimentation (or... humanoid experimentation, i guess)

jumping back to the future for a sec: gohan. gohan is a half-human, half-saiyan male hybrid, and while two separate species somehow producing a hybrid child isn't unheard of, male hybrids are almost always completely infertile. and yet, gohan grows up and has a kid (another explanation is gohan and videl are t4t, which i also love, but it doesn't really fit into this). so how are saiyans and humans not only capable of reproducing together, but capable of having children that can also reproduce? my theory here is that saiyans are genetically modified (early) humans– tuffles arrived on earth sometime prior to homo erectus finishing the jump to homo sapiens, grabbed a handful of various lab rats, and got to work.

this would also explain why saiyan tails look the way they do. to elaborate, here's a spider monkey skeleton:

notice how the tail is made up of more vertebrae that continue along the same curve as the rest of the spine. meanwhile, goku's tail looks like this:

it juts straight out, almost perpendicular to his spinal cord. to me, that does not look like how tails work– it looks grafted on. in the video game kakarot, bulma even makes goku a fake tail for him to fish with that he can just... stick right on there. i know dragon ball science is already broken af (someone please explain to me how dr briefs isn't basically a deity for inventing capsules), but if the tail is a genetic trait that didn't evolve naturally, it makes some sense (in the way anything in dragon ball makes sense, that is)

so– saiyans are a highly adaptable species that seem to be able to eat basically whatever, can both endure and dish out catastrophic amounts of damage, are biologically driven to fight to the point where it's hard to imagine how a society full of them could function at all, get stronger whenever they recover from being seriously injured, can transform into giant apes, and yet have a glaringly obvious weakness that can pretty much completely incapacitate them if you know about it? they seem designed for war, and not in the natural evolution-is-just-funny-like-that-sometimes way.

what we know about the tuffles sort of differs from source to source, but the most negative opinions come from the saiyans– according to vegeta, the tuffles basically treated them as slaves. which... yeah, that adds up, given everything.

anyway, here's where i divorce from canon entirely bc according to gt, king vegeta iii is the one who led the saiyans in the war against the tuffles, which raises... honestly so many questions. so i'm ignoring that; it was vegeta i and he was never officially king, but more on that later. i also need to note that the whole "saiyans lived on planet sadala, fucked it up, and moved to planet plant which later became planet vegeta" to my knowledge is not manga canon but since i like the general idea, i sorta moved it a bit.

in my version, the saiyans and the tuffles both lived on planet sadala, but the war between the two species got a little out of hand and the planet was kaputski (to be fair, if you suddenly got to turn into a giant ape and wreak havoc on the people who were possibly enslaving you, you might go a bit overboard too), so the saiyans stole all the tuffles' ships and gtfo'd (this is why everyone was so sure the tuffles were gone. bc typically blowing up someone's planet is a good way to get rid of all of them. at least in theory– i'm sure frieza can tell you all about how well it works in practice)

back to vegeta i– he wasn't a king, technically, but he was the saiyan who started, led, and according to all saiyan sources (which are biased but w/e) finished the revolt, and chose to die on the planet in an act of heroic sacrifice and/or symbolism and/or his daughter twisted a fact or two bc propaganda is a game we all can play, and the new planet they landed on was named after him. said daughter took the same name, declared the planet and the king to be one and the same, and set about conquering the shit out of it. so vegeta ii was technically the first king but if you asked her she was the second and also disrespecting her father and probably also about to be killed via spear (oh btw king vegeta ii is famed for her giant war spear which was very cool and intimidating and probably didn't see much use outside of ritual combat bc it's honestly more efficient to just blast people but all the statues and art and whatnot have her with it)

i'm going to take a minute to gloat about vegeta ii bc honestly she's one of my alltime favorite ocs that i've made, despite the fact that i don't intend to ever have her show up in anything (yass gurl haunt that narrative!!!) but basically she's a deeply respected figure in saiyan culture, although she died way before any of the saiyans still alive in dbz were born (except nappa), bc she... basically built saiyan culture from scratch. pretty much all the core beliefs the saiyans as a people had were from her very deliberately and surprisingly sneakily forcing them to be developed bc she was fully aware that the saiyans needed more than a love of battle to actually survive as a society independent of the tuffles. she basically had the whole thing set up and ready to last and become a proper empire but unfortunately the one kid that lived long enough to succeed her (by killing her in combat, obviously, and yes the others all tried and died– she's an important figure, not a nice one) ran face first into frieza and we all know how that went down

anyhow, vegeta ii's reign (which lasted a crazy long time bc she lived way longer than she should've and almost certainly used some kind of not-so-great method of living that long, but in her defense she needed to make sure at least one of her kids was cool enough to be in charge, so what's a few war crimes between monarchs) pretty much cemented all the saiyan pride and identity that vegeta iv is so fond of, and not just bc she was his grandma either.

the reason i have to get through all of that to explain my clone!vegeta theory is bc i need to explain why king vegeta iii became king in the first place– under vegeta ii's system, anyone could challenge for the throne at any time, regardless of who they were. her own children were expected - but not required - to do so, and if she died before an heir could kill her in glorious combat, the princes would become stewards and have the duty of finding the next king (who couldn't be one of them. fight and die for that shit like a real saiyan or no throne for you). however, there was actively incentive not to do that bc A) whoever's in charge has to actually be in charge and therefore gets to fight way less, and B) in order to become king you had to be ritually stripped of your identity as a person with the understanding that if you died during your challenge your name would be stricken from all records, none of your family or friends would ever acknowledge that you had ever existed, and you would simply cease to be (the afterlife doesn't follow these rules but most of the saiyans who are there still do, including the ones who by saiyan law no longer exist. say what you will about saiyans; they're a dedicated lot)

so anyway vegeta iii (before becoming vegeta iii – he had a different name bc names are super important in my version of saiyan culture but if i get into that here we will literally be here for the rest of the week - but i'll call him that for the sake of my sanity) is somewhat reluctant to challenge for the throne bc none of his siblings have managed it (not that they exist anymore whoops), but one of his colleagues/presumed ruling partner (not gonna get into saiyan relationships here either sorry) has been pushing him to do so for a while now

i think i've gone through a few names for vegeta's not-mom, but the most recent one is touga (from tougarashi, or capsicum annuum, and yes i was thinking of neon orange glimmer song by the mountain goats when i named her), so i'll call her that. touga is a pretty saiyan-y saiyan– she's violent, temperamental, proud, strong, and so forth, but another thing she is is deeply, deeply loyal to her people. she's also very aware of vegeta iii's weaknesses (such as "will probably care a little too much about kids if he has any" and "may make decisions based off of feelings instead of cold hard practical logic" and "seems likely to develop emotional attachments to family members"; you know, normal kingly failings) and has the lady macbeth-esque stainless steel go-fuck-yourself coldness to make up for her future husband's pathetic little morals or whatever

anyway, touga pushes vegeta iii to go for the throne bc holy shit his mom has been alive for way too long but also she has faith in hi or something and duty and whatever and dude do it if you ever want this saiyan tail, and eventually he caves and goes for it. he fights his mom, wins, gets a shiny new king name and is all set to run his kingdom. and then king cold shows up.

now in between killing his mom and our favorite chilly boys coming to town, vegeta iii and touga have had a kid, prince escallion (who is a girl ftr but i can't get into saiyan thoughts on sex/gender or the language or even escallion herself in this post bc we will never ever leave). escallion is pretty neat, just the strongest baby in history or whatever, but then post-cold arriving and politely yoinking the saiyans into his empire, rumors start spreading that frieza miiiiight be wanting a saiyan under his personal command. no prizes for guessing whose palace he's looking at for pickings. obviously the only prince they've got is not someone they can afford to lose, but they need a sure bet on super-infants and can't afford hoping for a genetic bingo, so vegeta iii assembles the universe's swole-est scientists and has them get started on making the Coolest Baby Ever (by cloning him, the king, bc he's the strongest but also bc frieza is an asshole and likes playing mind games with people so let's be real he's taking one of the king's kids no matter how tough they are)

so vegeta iv gets made (and named inappropriately but that's frieza's fault and a story for another time so ignore it for now) and eventually tarble is born and almost immediately sent off just in case frieza decides to be a bigger dick than usual (spoilers: frieza is going to decide to be an even bigger dick than that), and vegeta gets to spend the first few years of his life with his dad, big sis, and not-mom until he gets shipped off to go be a child soldier/slave/distraction, at which point frieza goes ahead and blows up the planet. there's more to it than just that, but i may actually want to write it out some day, so i'll keep the rest to myself for now.

[distopea]

The vaccine killed my ass with a sort of overly intense migraine 🙁

... but anyway, look, I'm DRAWING again!