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A post that started as a ramble for stuff I knew about Madame Shirogane but then turned into me doing that thing where you stand in front of a corkboard and connect everything with that red yarn and then sob pitifully on the ground

 [[Spoilers for Hatoful Boyfriend :>, tehe]]

She’s from France, probably

I think it’s likely that she only lived in Japan briefly when she was with Yuuya father, which could explain why she has many misconceptions about the country but seems to be an “authority” to Sakuya

Ya know. “Oh, my mom lived there for awhile so she knows her stuff UvU”, or something like that

Note that later on in the post I devolve into confusion and fear on this point so take it with a grain of salt

The wiki stated that she eloped with a leather worker (Yuuya’s early life entry). I’m tempted to say that he was Japanese based off of Yuuya’s last name but the wiki ALSO states that Yuuya was subjugated into a lesser family branch, so it’s possible that “Sakazaki” isn’t even his birth last name.

There is a chance that Madame Shirogane and the leather guy both ran away to Japan to hide from the Le Bels (considering that Yuuya’s father was assassinated, the danger of being caught was real), so maybe they both simply had no idea what Japan was all about haha

Same deal with the previous point, tho. Take with a grain of salt.

*screams in the Wiki says something completely different*

HELP HELP HELP IM SO CONFUSED. WHAT IS RIGHT. WHAT IS WRONG. MADAME SHIROGANE PLEASE GIVE ME ANSWERS.

I can see monsieur le bel being a french aristocrat but if madame shirogane was a japanese aristocrat then why is all of her information slightly wrong?? 

Does she get a kick out of Sakuya not knowing accurate information about Japan??? Is it from spite or does she find it cute? Sakuya’s actually pretty good at everything he does so maybe she thought it would knock him down a peg? 

Or maybe most of what Sakuya knows is from what she told him as a young child, and so the information he remembers is misconstrued (and Sakuya himself is too proud to admit that he might’ve remembered incorrectly). If this is the case, that would imply that Madame Shirogane hasn’t interacted with Sakuya very recently (or maybe doesn’t interact with him regularly).

ALL OF THIS IS LEFT FOR PLAYER SPECULATION AND IM SOBBING BC I HATE UNCERTAINTY!!!

LOOK!! THIS PART MAKES NO SENSE TO ME??? what does it mean???? “They both have Japanese last names and no one has a French last name so maybe he’s half French”

(Reminder that in an earlier part I noted that “Sakazaki” could also just be a branch family name and not his birth last name. From interactions between Sakuya and Yuuya I’m led to belive he doesn’t use a fake name either so the names we have are valid to use for analysis)

ok ok ok, Yuuya born in France. got it. There’s a 2 year gap between Yuuya’s birth and his father’s death tho, so there’s still plenty of time for them to move to Japan and get settled in and make my initial theory plausible.

On Monsieur Le Bel being a French aristocrat I do find it weird that the surname “Shirogane” was passed down to Sakuya. I mean, if he was French then why is Sakuya getting a Japanese surname? Is the Le Bel family originally Japanese? Was there a Japanese aristocrat that was introduced to the family sometime ago that made it so Monsieur Le Bel had the last name????

Um, confession that I at first thought “Le Bel” was a middle name. Since Sakuya has a French upbringing it’s probable that he does have a middle name but I’m not sure if that would be brought up since the Japanese don’t have middle names (hence why Okosan only asked ab the “given” and “last” names). Considering this comic strip tho I believe that “Le Bel Shirogane” is his full last name. Man’s got a 3 word last name... holy crap

Is it one of those last names that are a conjunction of both parents’ last names, this one just not hyphenated for some reason? If so, maybe Madame Shirogane is actually Japanese, retaining her maiden name despite marrying into the Le Bel family. After all, we do call her Madame Shirogane, not Madame Le Bel. Kinda weird to see an aristocratic family do that tho, is that a common practice?

Mankind started crumbling in 2068, and we are currently in 2188. That’s less than 120 years birds have to build off of what is left of humanity and make a new culture for themselves, including creating lineages based off of wealth n “perceived class”. That might seem like a lot but that’s like, 2-3 generations to gather up prestige (6 at the most if you want to include the generations that probably died closer to a normal pigeon’s lifespan on account of being evolutionarily “new”). Basically what I’m trying to say here is that the idea of a Japanese bird marrying into the family to give Monsieur Le Bel a Japanese last name too isn’t probable. Plus I don’t think it would’ve worked anyway lmaooo I’m just being stupid at this point I’m so sorry for making no sense.

If Monsieur Le Bel was actually Japanese the move would make some sense tho. Maybe he just wanted to move back home(?)

Tho aristocrats do have pretty complicated lives of their own. This could easily be for like, money reasons or something :/

Moving on from the whole “where is she from” debacle, Madame Shirogane seems to have fondness for Japanese culture, but mainly on the “surface level” (I’m not 100% sure on this one tho). Her primarily diffusing japanese horror movies, ninjas, and the sushi places with the little conveyor belts to Sakuya kinda is kinda indicative of this.

Ofc it’s totally possible that this is just the stuff that stuck with him. Maybe she taught him more things that he forgot? But idk if Sakuya would be like that... He really loves his mother. I don’t think he’d forget easily. (ALSO ALSO ALSO,  I’m surprised that his father didn’t convince Sakuya to hate her, considering she eloped with a “commoner”. Maybe Monsieur Le Bel really liked her, beyond her aristocratic ties??? I’ve played around with the idea that he was made heir bc Madame Shirogane was his favourite a little bit but never really got anywhere)

Sakuya seems to be raised by a Nanny too, so it makes me wonder how involved she was in his life. Either Madame Shirogane didn’t want to raise him, had many responsibilities as a lady of the Le Bel family, or wasn’t allowed to interact much with Sakuya (from father or another reason. idk really :/)

 Um yea no i think that’s it

please tell me most of the aspects I explored in the post have convenient answers that were given to us sometime in the decade the game existed and also can easily be found somewhere. bc sob. i need to hear them