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Hey, I’m collecting and referencing as many elvhen words as I can find in the Dragon Age Franchise at https://bittergossamer.tumblr.com/elvhen-cipher . 

Features of the Elvhen Cipher:

filter by what kind of word it is, or by how “canon” it is. exclude fanon if you need to! 

sources you can hover over

breakdowns/pseudo-etymologies of most words

search box for elvhen words, so you can find words with the same string

If there’s anything I’m goofing up, please let me know!

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Future typings

As a lot of dragon age characters are frequently mistypes, I gave myself the responsibility to type the most mistyped ones But not only those, as I want to type most of the important characters with enough screen time so that they can actually be typed, obviously..

But I still want to know which characters would people want to see typed, focusing on the Dragon Age universe, but I might branch out a bit eventually. (Other video game characters from other choice-based games, or even text-based ones)

I do have about 4 other already done including:-

-Fenris (Which people debate on a lot)

-Cole (also doesn't see to be a consensus here either)

-Morrigan (mostly typed right, but still)

-Vivienne (A less popular character, but an interesting on to type nonetheless)

And currently working on typing Anders from from both DAO and DA2 in a more wordy post.

Any ideas or questions are free to be asked or PMed (I prefer to be PMed though)

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Dragon Age Inquisition typings: Solas

[B][C]FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T FINISHED OR PLAYED THE GAME YET, THERE ARE MAJOR CHARACTER ***AND*** GAME SPOILERS,

I couldn't type him as well without saying his motivations and backstory. Tried to keep it minimal though without it being baseless stuff, but there is a major spoiler, so if you intend to play the game, maybe not read this? It's pretty much ruin the first playtrough if you know that part of it... but yeah

Enjoy~

[B][I][C]Solas

[C]Solas is an elvhen mage who's mostly solitary, knows a lot about a lot and he keeps to himself a lot.

[C]He is also a myth of the Dalish people, the feared Dread Wold, Fen'Harel, a trickster god that tricked both the good and bad gods.

Most people say he is an intj, and that ones who disagree, an intp. But the truth is, he is neither.

<b>His type: Infp 5w4 4w5 1w9 sp/so<b/>

And a loopy one at that, yikes (Fi-Si)

[B][C]Fi

He generally had really strong views on a certain number of topics he holds close, and can get really defensive if he believes you are in the wrong morally. His values are dearly held and he would want everyone to follow them.

Everything he does, he does for his people, distant figures from a forgotten land, people that aren't there anymore. He wants the memories to be the same as before, he wants the past to come back, and being in the present world is something he finds difficult without his people gone. HE feels sad. HIS people are gone.

He relives the memories of the fallen (Fi-Si) and feel tortured about it all, about his sadness. And he is willing to destroy the world to bring them back, to bring his memories back, even though he probably knows deep down that everything won't be the same.

[B][C]Ne

Solas has a very vivid imagination. For all his value fixations, he is filled with what-ifs. Always trying to find the better solution (even though his Fi tend to be overwhelming to his Ne, as he is in a loop) he still always doubt that he could be wrong, that he missed something or did/will do something wrong.

Also, he really likes being in the Fade (a sort of dream land, to stay simple). He prefers to live in that dreamland, where all is shaped by imagination and gather a lot of possibilities, knowledge or stories. He wants to know everything about everything, and he likes to connected ideas or theories together.

[B][C]Si

Sadly, him being in a loop, his Si is really (and unhealthily) accentuated. Memories (mixed with his emotions) are of overwhelming importance in everything he does. "The past was like this, and I want it all back, as it was a happier time for me" type of fixation. He can't evoke the past without it being about him in a way, or without it being mostly negative.

But he also frequently reflects back on his past, or his young days as the god of trickery, and what he did wrong, and actively wants to improve because of his feeling of shame with his younger arrogant self.

So he goes back to the past often, to improve on it in the present or dwell on better days, but he's definitely an Si user.

[B][C]Te

Behind a stoic, calm or detached appearance, Solas can be surprisingly quite stubborn about his ideologies and values. If you use the wrong word, or question him in a way that seems a bit "conservative" or different from certain of his viewpoints, he become itter and/or quite passionate. Arguing with him only seems to strengthen his resolve, rather than make him try to understand the person's viewpoint. He then become pretty out of character: really passive agressive and sarcastic, and not the friendly kind of sarcasm.

(which I didn't get to see, as I was on his good side, but still)

[B][C]5w4

Solas ADORES to learn about everything. If he could, he would certainly know everything, or at least try to. He likes to teach people what he knows and help them know the truth (or what he calls the truth, as he has Fi -looping as well-). When he doesn't know something, he feels a bit inadequate (his insecurity doesn't show much, because the guy knows a lot, as the guy is probably a couple of hundreds of years)

He also wants everyone to think for themselves, be free of will and thoughts (to learn by themselves and not be indoctrinated). And this is what he wants to achieve, or wanted to achieve, a couple of hundreds of years ago, when his people were slaves to the Old Gods (elvhen gods).

[B][C]Sp

Very self-protective, he wants to be safe at all cost, he wants everything to go has planned and not be in any dangers if possible. And he doesn't mind lying if it means being off the hook, not lying implicitly, but by omission, has he actually doesn't like lying.

He "lies" to you (chickens out most likely -If you are his friend that is-) about a lot of important things that are pretty vital, such as him using you (subtle "well, that idea is interesting", never straight out "do this, it's the better choice") to achieve his goals, even if you become close to him.

He is scarred of his cover being blown, or the possibility of it being blown at the very least.

[C][B]So

While not really showing at first glance, he is very much a people person. While he is the most important part of it all (HIS well-being, then my people), everything he does is for "his people", to save them.

All his plans, done with his self-preservation first in mind, always come back to the elvhen people, when he feels safe to execute them, of course.

Also, HOW DO I PUT BOLD/ITALLIC/CENTERED ON TUMBLR....?

Thanks a lot

Also, feel free to pm me and such

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THE ULTIMATE MBTI MASTERPOST

As I am incredibly tired of seeing people:

Type people/characters/themselves with letters rather than functions.

Spread ridiculous stereotypes.

Trust tests without reading the description of their type.

Think that their MBTI type changes.

I could go on and on and on… I’ve decided to make a MBTI masterpost that will help everyone who wants to introduce themselves to MBTI. If you have any doubts I’ll be pleased to solve them.

STEP ONE: Break all stereotypes you’ve heard of.

I won’t let you introduce yourself to MBTI without first clearing your mind from all those shitty stereotypes the world has been feeding you with. I’m gonna do you a favour and leave this beautiful post here: The most common reasons of mistyping. Read it. You can also check Innacurate stereotypes out!

STEP TWO: It’s all about the functions.

First of all you need to understand what functions are, what different types you can find, how they work, how they are structured, etc.

This post is important, clear and a fundamental base of MBTI knowledge. Don’t skip this step. It’s a key part to understanding how it works. MBTI is all about thought process and this post explains perfectly how it works.

A very detailed explanation on how functions work, engage in and interact with the world. WARNING: This is explained in a quite ‘scientific’ way and if it’s only going to confuse you more, don’t read it.

How are the cognitive functions structured? Or: how functions work depending on where they are placed.

And here you can understand how functions compliment one another.

Another explanation just in case you didn’t get it yet.

This post breaks some widespread MBTI stereotypes and explains more in detail how functions work.

A tip to know which is someone’s dominant function.

What the third/tertiary function is like.

What does the tertiary function do?

The difference between shadow functions and the inferior function.

Even more information about functions!

Understanding functions: An explanation of all functions.

How each function works in all four positions:

Ne / Se / Ni / Si / Ti / Fi / Te / Fe

More posts about functions (I am aware that not all functions are here):

Fe: High vs Low Fe / Does Fe just go along with everything? 

Fi: Fi’s inner morals 

Ni: Ni doms: What if they have no vision or plan? / What are their stress points? / Mystical? / Questions about it / How to spot a Ni dom / Telling posers from the real thing

Si: Is it always traditional? / How can you tell if someone is using high Si? / Why does Si follow the rules? / Revisiting past hobbies / Comfort in similarity to past memories 

Ti: What Ti doms are like 

Mixing up some functions:

Fe/Fi: Assertiveness / How to tell them apart / Fe dom vs Fi dom / Expressing emotions / Self expression / What they do / Wanting success / Fe from Fi’s perspective / Tell them apart / What motivates them / Fe vs Fi: Argument 

Te/Ti: Te vs Ti 

Si/Ni: Future planning / Symbolism / Symbolism (part 2) 

Si/Se: Memories (part 1) / Memories (part 2) / Memories (part 3) 

Ni/Ne: Ni dom vs Lower Ne / What drives them / Imagining the future / Telling them apart / Understanding intuition 

Want some fun posts to learn about functions? Here you go!

Functions in real life, more specifically in a theme park!

Understanding functions with Winnie de Pooh!

Functions ultrasymplified.

STEP THREE: Finally! The types.

I’m gonna keep this short, because you already should know enough just based on the functions.

A cool ass post with all personality type descriptions.

Websites with descriptions (may contain stereotypes, not my fault): 16Personalities / personalitypage / truity / the types at a glance 

More stuff about each type! because you never know enough

Type comparison, in case you’re confused.

Interesting shit:

How each type reacts to failure or mistakes.

Types and isolation.

Unhealthy types.

Unhealthy types in action.

Common things about each type.

How does each type remember things?

Post apocalyptic survival by type.

The 16 types in the zombie apocalypse.

This is just amazing, click it.

STEP FOUR: So you wanna type someone…

Things to remember: stereotypes are nasty, letters are irrelevant.

Steps you need to follow in order to type people and what to pay attention to/how to figure out their dominant function.

What to pay attention to when you want to type someone.

Even more stuff to pay attention to when you wanna type someone, mostly to figure out their dominant function.

EVEN MORE stuff to help you type people.

STEP FIVE: Developing your functions, loops and giving advice!

Your functions balance each other out and finding a perfect balance by developing all of your functions will help you be a healthier human being. This could also help you give advice to friends if you know their type!

First of all: How we develop our personality types along the years.

How to develop the functions.

MBTI by developing inferior/fourth functions.

However, undeveloped functions aren’t the only issue you could face. Sometimes people find themselves in what we call ‘loops’. Woah, I know… Loops? What’s that? Am I in one? How do I get out of it? Do not worry, here you have some more info: 

What are function loops?

The different kinds of function loops.

Each type and it’s own loop.

How to get out of it? Easy. Spot what you do and avoid doing it. Be self aware. Yeah, that’s literally it. 

MBTI can be very fun:

If you love zodiac posts, imagine finding a bunch of them which you can actually identify with. (Sorry to all zodiac believers if it offended any of you.) Well, I am gonna leave you some of that here:

MBTI squads.

Some more MBTI squads.

Just click this, you’ll dig it.

Hella great MBTI posts of all kinds.

Most to least posts.

More posts that you could be interested in.

Relationships/friendships between types. 

MBTI experiences. 

My ultimate favorite MBTI related blogs:

readingontheroof and fortruinous: They are friends who answer interesting questions about MBTI from time to time and also do ‘more to least likely’ posts! Their typing of tv characters is also amazing! Probably the two blogs I trust the most.

funkymbtifunction: Even though I don’t agree with some of their character typings, they have a huge amount of posts on functions, how they work and a hell lot of useful information that you won’t be able to find anywhere else.

myersandbriggs: This blog is like a MBTI encyclopedia. You’ll find so much stuff here about every type. The research they do in order to find new interesting stuff to post is amazing.

infj-mbti: Very interesting and diverse posts. Also pretty well organized, unlike other blogs.  

And that’s it for this post! You’re all welcome.

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MBTI Statistics: Part II

Not too long ago (but an extremely long time ago in Internet time), I made a master post of a shit ton of unrelated MBTI charts, polls, and statistics that I’d accrued throughout my time on the Internet. It got unexpectedly popular, and ended up sort of blowing up. (Click here to see part I of this post.)

Well, I am here today to inform you that I have since found many more MBTI-related charts for your viewing pleasure, and to present them here for you today! So, here it is again: a bunch more random MBTI statistics. Enjoy!

1. MBTI gender distribution

2. MBTI type by job satisfaction vs. income

3. MBTI type by natural confidence

4. MBTI type by general population vs. Internet population

5. MBTI type by general population vs. subreddit popularity

6. MBTI type of high school teachers vs. MBTI type of college professors

7. MBTI type visual grid

8. Enneagram x Pokemon type

9. MBTI type by best majors

10. MBTI type by gender (comparison)

11. MBTI x political compass

12. MBTI by number of Google results

13. MBTI by physical, emotional, and mental proclivity (source: me)

14. MBTI x DYT x temperament x spiritual gifts x color analysis

15. MBTI type by managerial responsibility

16. MBTI type by Love Language

17. MBTI type by global distribution vs. Reddit users

18. Percent of enneagram types that favor iNtuition

19. MBTI by representation in the programming profession

20. MBTI by percent male vs. percent female

21. MBTI clusters (NT, NF, ST, SF) by impactful influencing

22. MBTI by likeliness of early retirement

23. MBTI and attitudes towards having children (over 25)

24. MBTI and attitudes about the efficacy of meeting new people on social media

25. MBTI by most and least likely to be stay-at-home moms

26. MBTI by most and least likely to be stay-at-home dads

27. MBTI by various parenthood satisfaction rate statistics

28. MBTI by self-employment status

29. MBTI by average education level achieved

30. MBTI by Facebook usage

(Please take all of these charts with a grain of salt. I don’t know what parameters were used to make them, so they may or may not be inaccurate - I have no idea, I’m not the author. I also purposely did not bother including any of the sources (as much as I would’ve loved to, just for the sake of accuracy), just because I didn’t feel like spending the next ten hours trying to track down the original sources for all of these infographics. I seriously just don’t have the energy. Sorry!)

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Enneagram Centers

The three centers (gut, heart & head) are sometimes referred to in terms of a dominant emotional response.

ANGER TYPES (Behavioral Domain) – 8, 9, 1

Anger can be thought of as an energy of will that pushes against obstacles.

For type 8, this energy arises in service of making things happen in the world.

For type 9, this energy arises as resistance when pushed into unwanted activities.

For type 1, this energy arises when correcting behavior and actions.

SHAME TYPES (Affective Domain) – 2, 3, 4

Shame can be thought of as a sense of self-deficiency in the eyes of others.

For type 2, there can be a feeling of not being lovable unless they are attending to the needs of others.

For type 3, there can be a feeling of not being worthwhile unless they are successful in the eyes of others.

For type 4, there can be a feeling of not being significant unless they cultivate their own unique qualities.

FEAR TYPES (Cognitive Domain) – 5, 6, 7 

Fear can be thought of as an anticipation of future negative uncertainties.

For type 5, negative uncertainties are prepared for by attaining knowledge.

For type 6, negative uncertainties are prepared for through doubting and questioning.

For type 7, negative uncertainties are prepared for by generating pleasant alternatives.

Since it can sometimes be difficult to see how types 9 and 3 fit their centers, another pair of labels are sometimes used to describe their centers.

Types 8, 9, and 1 are sometimes called the self-forgetting types. Type 9 is often described as the least self-aware type.

Types 2, 3, and 4 are sometimes called the image types. Type 3 is often described as the type most aware of image.

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ENNEATYPE 1

What They Like in Others: Competence, high quality, adherence to principles and procedures. 

What They Dislike in Others: Emotionality, illogical behavior, rule breaking. 

ENNEATYPE 2

What They Like in Others: Friendliness, sharing of feelings, display of emotion. 

What They Dislike in Others: Coldness, unavailability, lack of needs.

ENNEATYPE 3

What They Like in Others: Prestige, success, efficiency. 

What They Dislike in Others: Failure, emotions, indifference to their achievements 

ENNEATYPE 4

What They Like in Others: Refinement, sensitivity, creativity. 

What They Dislike in Others: Coarseness, conformity, superficiality. 

ENNEATYPE 5

What They Like in Others: Intelligence, innovation, curiosity. 

What They Dislike in Others: Emotional reactions, highpressure, crowds.  

ENNEATYPE 6

What They Like in Others: Dependability, support/ protectiveness, hard work. 

What They Dislike in Others: Ambiguity, undependability, deviance (from the norms of group). 

ENNEATYPE 7

What They Like in Others: Optimism, lightheartedness, spontaneity. 

What They Dislike in Others: Pessimism, stuffiness, rigidity 

ENNEATYPE 8

What They Like in Others: Confidence, lack of pretense, straightforwardness.

 What They Dislike in Others: Timidity, bullying, rigidity. 

ENNEATYPE 9

What They Like in Others: Optimism, humility, consistency. 

What They Dislike in Others: Confrontation, arrogance, turbulence. 

(Source: Mario Sikora. Adapted from “Awareness to Action: The Enneagram, Emotional Intelligence and Change” by Tallon and Sikora.)

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Enneagram Centers

The three centers (gut, heart & head) are sometimes referred to in terms of a dominant emotional response.

ANGER TYPES (Behavioral Domain) – 8, 9, 1

Anger can be thought of as an energy of will that pushes against obstacles.

For type 8, this energy arises in service of making things happen in the world.

For type 9, this energy arises as resistance when pushed into unwanted activities.

For type 1, this energy arises when correcting behavior and actions.

SHAME TYPES (Affective Domain) – 2, 3, 4

Shame can be thought of as a sense of self-deficiency in the eyes of others.

For type 2, there can be a feeling of not being lovable unless they are attending to the needs of others.

For type 3, there can be a feeling of not being worthwhile unless they are successful in the eyes of others.

For type 4, there can be a feeling of not being significant unless they cultivate their own unique qualities.

FEAR TYPES (Cognitive Domain) – 5, 6, 7 

Fear can be thought of as an anticipation of future negative uncertainties.

For type 5, negative uncertainties are prepared for by attaining knowledge.

For type 6, negative uncertainties are prepared for through doubting and questioning.

For type 7, negative uncertainties are prepared for by generating pleasant alternatives.

Since it can sometimes be difficult to see how types 9 and 3 fit their centers, another pair of labels are sometimes used to describe their centers.

Types 8, 9, and 1 are sometimes called the self-forgetting types. Type 9 is often described as the least self-aware type.

Types 2, 3, and 4 are sometimes called the image types. Type 3 is often described as the type most aware of image.

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What is a dead giveaway that someone is an sx dom? an sp dom? an so dom?

easy guide to determining someone’s dom variant:

sx dom: craves intensity with people, is genuinely interested in the other person, seems to want to get to know people, its tough for them to make friends especially since they’re uninterested in people they see no ‘potential’ in, most likely to ask how your day went, prone to getting defensive over others, 

number one thing to notice: very often conflicted when it comes to interpersonal matters, most destructive subtype if under stress

how to tell an sx dom by their environment: its very easy to figure out their interests and hobbies at first glance

sp dom: unconcerned with others, preoccupied with material matters, very critical of themselves and other people, seem approachable at first but you get a feeling they’re never really ‘into’ the conversation, unapologetically selfish, unlikely to truly care about the effects of their actions on others, least likely to ask how your day went, they always come first regardless of the circumstance, very difficult to influence, will avoid certain places and people, strong reaction to things other types don’t understand, known to overreact

number one thing to notice: usually disinterested in pretty much everything, they’re hard to engage, least destructive subtype under stress, uncooperative

how to tell an sp dom by their environment: most likely to have their home reflect their current mental state

so dom: never seems to know what they are doing or why, noticeably shallow, feels as though they are “missing something”, acts like they desperately need to fill a void, preoccupied with hierarchies and comparing themselves to others, makes friends easily but has trouble deeply connecting to others, easily influenced, very flighty and seem uncommitted

number one thing to notice: prone to getting defensive about their position in a given environment and will not let it be compromised, varying and situationally dependent destructiveness under stress

how to tell an so dom by their environment: their environment can be extremely cluttered but still feel ‘empty’, 

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What do you mean “like a head type”? Is there some tell tale signs that someone is heart/head/gut type in general? And by that i don’t mean the whole what is more important to you, anger shame anxiety thing

Guts are action oriented. They react immediately and viscerally (even 9s, who know immediately to withdraw. They have their tactics to get away and they use them as immediately as 8s or 1s) Guts are decisive in the moment.

Guts have had a certain peace and serenity ripped from them as children, which is why they act this way

Hearts are identity oriented. They reflect and then act according to their personal identity (even 3s, similar to 9s)

Hearts have a certainty in who they are ripped from them as children (by criticism or praise), which is why they want to act according to the identity.

Heads take longer to react. They think through what is happening and react in a “logical” (can be genuinely logical or illogical) way that will keep them safe in the future. Even 7s do this by running from the issue

Heads have inner guidance that has been taken away from them. They don’t know what the right course of action is as well as other types, which is why they act this way

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Why MBTI -IS- useless, in its current general usage

Today, about 80% of MBTI usage is completely useless. You see those articles saying “This thing said I was an INTJ which is all fine and dandy, but its complete bullshit and let me give you 47 compelling reasons why.” However, most of us that know the ins and outs of MBTI know why it’s incredibly beneficial and almost magical. That being said, those articles and videos on “Why MBTI is utter nonsense” are correct. MBTI has a 3 huge gaping problems. 1.) Personality Tests: Personality Tests, just about all of them, are incredibly inaccurate, and are so spastic that it puts the whole science to shame.  2.) Presentation: Ever been to college? Ever been to an Interpersonal Communication class, Psychology class, college prep class? Remember when the instructor was like “This is MBTI, it can mean many things to many people and the best thing about it is you can take it in different times in your life and get different result to see how you’ve changed and grown! It’s just for fun and not to be taken seriously” (My girlfriend and I have both experienced this. Here we are with books and other materials on the subject, just to have it undermined by ignorant people.) That’s wrong, and its killing any benefit the science has. A surface knowledge of MBTI presented as the whole of the science is insulting, and it is very commonplace, unfortunately. 3.) Intuitive Bias: This one I’m guilty of, and so are all other blogs on the subject; We don’t do it on purpose. It’s a conscious or sub-conscious bias leading us to believe Intuitive types are better and/or more or less prevalent than they are. Intuitive types make up 25-35% of the population. They are not inherently smarter than Sensing types. They are not more self-aware. They are not the only types capable of abstract thought. Being a Sensing type is not a death sentence. We have to get over this. The problem is that MBTI needs to be applied very carefully, minding all the rules and theories, for it to be as effective as it can be. MBTI NEEDS to be about functions and preference, not percentage or letters. I can’t stress this enough. It simply takes more time and effort to do it this way, and when you need to assign types to a room of 30 people for work, it is a lot simpler to use a test. I understand that, but typing people that way is almost completely useless. All of these Facebook quizzes, college and workplace tests are why 80% (if not more) of MBTI usage is indeed bullshit. It needs to be done right, and all of the decentralized and varied interpretations of it are what causes it to not be taken seriously. We all know that, when handled correctly, MBTI can do great things, but we have to realize that those people saying “Its all nonsense” are not wrong. MBTI as they know it is a load of nonsense. As a community, we need to go out there informed and ready to teach the science of it, rather than just fight about it or shrug it off. I hope that those who believe MBTI is nonsense will look beyond the surface they’ve been taught by the uninformed, dig deep, and think critically about the real science. Here is a quick rundown:  MBTI has nothing to do with the letters “INFP” “ESTJ” etc. Its about functions. Everyone has a Thinking, Feeling, Sensing, and iNtuitive function. MBTI is about the preferred order of your functions. For example: an ESTJ’s order of preference is Te-Si-Ne-Fi. Which means they prefer structured thinking(Extroverted Thinking) and past experience(Introverted Sensing) first, and then exploration of reasoning(Extroverted Intuition) and deep values(Introverted Feeling) after that. Someone who is a Thinking type or Sensing type can still feel and think abstractly, they just prefer Thinking and Sensing first. I really hope this has been informative in some way! ~INFP-sama

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MBTI troubleshooting: why you’re mistyped

You don’t know yourself (your habits, your strengths, and your weaknesses)

And because you don’t know yourself you answered the questions on the MBTI tests inaccurately due to idealization (ex: “Are you a neat person?” “Yes, I am!” when you’re messy as shit, “Are you a good planner?” “Yes, I am!” when you’re a hot mess, “Are you spontaneous?” “Yes, I am!” when you’re rigid as hell) 

You read all the type descriptions first and selected the type you admired the most, not the one that fit you best

You dislike your true type and wanted a ‘better’ or ‘rarer’ one

You read a bunch of bullshit online implying sensors are less intelligent than intuitives and decided to be the intuitive variation of your true type (ex. an ISTJ typing as an INTJ)

You took the MBTI test while in an awful mental and emotional state which skewed the results

You don’t understand cognitive functions

You understand cognitive functions but decided that you use all of them equally (impossible) which implies that you don’t understand cognitive functions

You marked a bunch of answers as ‘neutral’ because you ‘do a little bit of both behaviors sometimes, often times, maybe, I don’t know, okay I do, well not really, but yeah’

You didn’t want to be typed an ESFJ because everyone online is mad at them for some reason

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Theory: INFJs are not as rare as previously thought

“Ok, sLOW DOWN. INFP-sama, you are treading on SACRED ground here, man!”

My intentions are honest, I swear! I mean this purely logically and scientifically! I love my INFJ, i think she’s truly special and her types prevalance in the population won’t change that! So… Why? Simple. ALL of these statistics are based off of an extremely flawed test, the dichotomy test. So, please stick with me on this. The P/J dichotomy is so very flawed at its core that it is the single most innaccurate and damning thing about MBTI. “Js are OCD neat freaks and Ps bathe in their own filth.” All P/J does ALL it empirically and reliably does is point to the function set, and that is IT. That is ALL. xxxJ means your front-most extroverted function is a judging function, xxxP means your front-most extroverted function is a perceiving function. That is ALL, friends. 

So who does this “neat freak” stereotype least apply to in the J’s? The INFJ. Either you’re an enneagram type 1 INFJ or bust, man. Ni is not the “external organizer” Si is. The J’s (false) dichotomy literally describes the xSTJ mentality, and NOTHING is further from that mentality than the INFJ. My INFJ has to go out of her way to get “J” on a dichotomy test, my other INFJ friend was never even able to. You have to mentally be able to be like “oh this question is asking me about J stuff, i have to answer it yes in order to get the correct outcome.” Okay, so, extrapolation time, right? This means that alot of INFJ’s don’t properly test as INFJs on any conventional test because the test is flawed, therefore the must be more INFJs than previously thought. Almost every INFJ I’ve even HEARD of, had to read a true and detailed description of INFJ’s and Ni in order to come to the conclusion they are one. So that means if they was a huge survey to determine the prevalance of INFJs then logically INFJs would seem much rarer than they are. Take a look at this.

This pretty much a representation of the typical idea on the prevelance of type statistics. Clearly we are looking at statistics strictly based on dicholomies and nothing else. “This person is not an INFJ, they didn’t answer the questions as a J” when an INFJ WOULDN’T answer the questions because they AREN’T a J as defined by ISTJ sterotypes! “Alright, INFP-sama… I’m listening, lets see you rationalize the actual prevalence you pull out of your ass, go ahead!” Jeez, I’m sorry I’m trying to do the right thing and find the truth here!! ;A; INFJs are not the rarest INxx type. *deep breath* either INTPs or ENTJs are.  *crowd erupts into unrest and chants “bullshit! bullshit!”* Okay, okay, Listen! I have reasons!!! This dichotomy thing goes pretty deep!!  First of all, both of the INFJs I’ve mentioned that I personally know, repeatedly and consistently typed as an INTP on personality test. This is because INFJs simply do not agree with the STJ stereotype questions, so they get P. They also tend to think that they’re inwardly very logical, which they are. They answered honestly and correctly and the flawed test gave them a flawed answer. When you don’t type strictly on functions, these things can (very very easily) and WILL happen.  So, quite a few INFPs and quite a few INTPs are actually INFJs is basically what I’m saying, because the P/J dichotomy is a MESS. But how much, what is the more likely statistical prevalance of an INFJ? Well, firstly, I’d like to say, without completely revamped statistical data, theres no way I can accurately say. However, I think the likely answer is “about 4%/about as prevalant as INFPs” What does this mean for our INFJs and their collective self-concept? Well, quite frankly, who cares, most healthy INFJs probably won’t be bothered in the least, maybe even comforted. The special snowflake INFJs needed to get over it anyway. The ENTJs and INTPs (who I think the new prevalance would be about 2% also having a bit taken from their total by INTJs due to the same issue) can now rule their hypothetical “rarest type?” thrones with beautiful apathy.

^^PURELY HYPOTHETICAL^^

Please, guys, lets start a conversation about this and challenge the status quo, here. This isn’t about sticking it to special snowflake INFJs, its about seeking truth and challenging a flawed system. reblog this adding your own thoughts and observations and let’s get people talking, because i think this might be a big deal to many people if only they could consider it! Thank you so much for reading and I really hope i made sense! ~INFP-sama

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How To Recognize Each Myers-Briggs Personality Type In Real Life

When attempting to assess the Myers-Briggs personality types of other people, the only accurate way to do so it to identify which cognitive functions they use across a variety of different situations. Accurately assessing the types of other people takes patience, insight and a thorough knowledge of the inventory. However, learning to do so can be an infinitely valuable tool that helps you to understand and connect with those around you.

Because cognitive functions are the truest determinants of type, this article will explore typing through the lens of individual functions. The best way to determine type is to identify which of the four perceiving functions (Either Se, Si, Ne or Ni) and which of the four decision making functions (Either Te, Ti, Fe or Fi) an individual uses most oftenand which order they use them in. Keep in mind that of those two dominant functions, one must be introverted and one must be extroverted. From that point, their tertiary and inferior functions follow logically – see the chart below to learn which four-letter types are associated with which functions.

If you have no idea what cognitive functions are all about, clickhere. Otherwise, read on to learn about how to recognize each function in real life.

Extroverted Intuition (Ne):

Ne Dominant Types: ENFP/ENTP Secondary Ne Users: INTP/INFP

How to spot them:

Ne dominant types experience bursts of high energy, followed by periods of reclusion.

They are quick-witted and gain energy through debating ideas.

They enjoy discussing possibilities above all else.

They want to explore every side of a given situation and may be more prone to playing ‘devil’s advocate’ than other types.

They tend to jump from topic to topic with ease and enthusiasm.

They may directly contradict themselves multiple times while speaking.

They enjoy using metaphors to explain things – their metaphors are prone to gaining complexity as they speak, which excites the Ne user.

Ne dominant types bore quickly and almost always have a new project on the go.

These types usually advocate for keeping your options open, exploring all possibilities and taking an unconventional approach to solving problems.

Introverted Intuition (Ni):

Ni Dominant Types: INTJ, INFJ Secondary Ni Users: ENTJ, ENFJ

How to spot them:

Everything an Ni dominant type does is deliberate. You will likely get the sense that they have carefully (but covertly) planned out their actions and words.

They may ask many questions in conversation, but questions tend to be open-ended. I.e. “Can you tell me more about that,” As opposed to, “When did that happen?”

They prefer sticking to one topic of conversation but may feel the need to ‘explain around’ the topic if they are unable to convey the essence of it concisely.

Ni dominant types usually pause to fully take in and consider what you have said in conversation before replying.

They may also return to a topic of conversation weeks after you’ve had it, having processed and analyzed what you’ve said more fully.

They enjoy talking about future possibilities in a linear fashion.

These types have a lot of ‘epiphanies’ or ‘realizations.’

Ni dominant types often give off a stoic or “Zen” vibe.

These types usually advocate for thinking through your options carefully, optimizing your experiences and keeping your long-term objectives in mind at all times.

Extroverted Sensing (Se):

Se Dominant Types: ESFP, ESTP Secondary Se Users: ISFP, ISTP

How to spot them:

Se dominant types are highly in tune with their environments and are constantly scanning their surroundings.

They may be more physically ‘wired’ than other types and have trouble sitting still.

Se users tend to be ‘up for anything’ and don’t mind changing or hopping on board with plans at the last minute.

They tend to make very direct observations about people and situations – they don’t beat around the bush and are the masters of saying what everyone else was secretly thinking.

They enjoy slapstick or ‘obvious’ humour.

They enjoy the ‘finer things in life’ and may be particularly attracted to expensive gadgets or high fashion.

Dominant Se users are almost always present and engaged in conversation, unless something in the immediate environment is distracting them.

These types usually advocate for ‘Just going for it’ – that is, following your gut instinct and approaching what you want directly.

Introverted Sensing (Si):

Si Dominant Types: ISTJ, ISFJ Secondary Si Users: ESTJ, ESFJ

How to spot them:

Si users have excellent memories when it comes to specific facts and occurrences and will usually remember things you’ve mentioned only in passing.

They are incredibly detail-oriented and usually ask for specific clarifications in conversation (I.e. “Where did you meet up? What day?”)

They are uncomfortable with the ambiguous and in conversation, they prefer relaying relevant facts to speculating. I.e. when discussing possibilities for the future, they will point out what has happened in a similar situation in the past.

They enjoy having things planned out in a predictable fashion.

Si users tend to place a higher value on tradition, social conventions and status than other types.

These types usually advocate for using the tried and true method, referencing the facts that already exist on the matter and assuming that the future will resemble the past.

Introverted Thinking (Ti):

Ti Dominant Types: ISTP, INTP Secondary Ti Users: ESTP, ENTP

How to spot them:

Introverted thinkers like talking about facts or theories and information – when conversation turns to people or events, you can almost see their eyes glazing over.

Dominant introverted thinkers require a great deal of alone time. They aren’t shy about overtly ignoring others if they infringe on this.

Dominant Ti users often have a grumpy or aloof demeanour but a good sense of humour beneath it.

In conversation, they may ask slightly different versions of the same question multiple times, as they try to figure out precisely how it fits in with what they already know.

They may zone out of conversations as they relate what you’re saying to their current understanding of the topic – and then zone back in to ask clarifiers.

Dominant introverted thinkers may have trouble explaining something in a direct way – they tend to branch off and get lost explaining different components of how a given system works.

Ti dominants are indifferent to most small-scale decisions and will avoid making them whenever possible.

These types usually advocate for looking at things objectively, questioning everything and ensuring you understand a given situation fully before making a decision about it.

Extroverted Thinking (Te):

Te Dominant Types: ENTJ, ESTJ Secondary Te Users: INTJ, ISTJ

How to spot them:

Extroverted thinking types are extremely goal oriented. They will usually ask you about your own goals, either subtly or overtly.

They enjoy talking about plans they have and the expected outcomes of those plans.

If you go to a Te user with a problem, they will immediately jump to solving it as quickly and effectively as possible.

Te users are bothered by inefficiency and strongly dislike people being late or veering off topic if there’s work to be done.

Dominant Te types may come across as bossy or know-it-all-ish, even when they genuinely mean well.

They will always argue from a results-based, purely practical standpoint.

These types usually advocate for staying organized, setting goals and making whatever choice will glean the best outcomes.

Introverted Feeling (Fi):

Fi Dominant Types: INFP, ISFP Secondary Fi Users: ENFP, ESFP

How to spot them:

Fi users tend to use emotion-laden vocabulary (I.e. Preferring the phrase, “I feel like…” over “I think that…”).

Fi dominant types tend to ‘zone out’ or daydream more than any other type – they may even do this in the middle of a conversation.

They are incredibly patient listeners who are happy to let you talk for as long as you need to, without jumping in to offer solutions.

These types connect and show empathy by exposing their own experiences and struggles as a means of letting you know you’re not alone.

Fi users are the easiest types to offend, particularly if you question an aspect of their identity or betray one of their morals.

They will almost always argue from a subjective or emotional standpoint – often using the way they feel as an argument in and of itself.

These types make other people feel comfortable by exhibiting an inclusive, non-judgmental attitude toward them.

These types usually advocate for staying true to oneself, following your heart and doing what you know to be right.

Extroverted Feeling (Fe):

Fe Dominant Types: ENFJ, ESFJ Secondary Fe Users: INFJ, ISFJ

How to spot them:

Dominant Fe users talk almost exclusively about what other people are doing or thinking.

They are proactive in adhering to the needs of others (I.e. Ensuring there is food ready for houseguests before they show up, just in case they are hungry upon arrival).

They tend to be warm and welcoming toward new people.

They use confirming language when speaking with others, I.e. uttering “Oh no,” Or “Aw,” while someone else is speaking, to show empathy.

These types make other people feel comfortable by anticipating their needs and adhering to social niceties.

Immature or unhealthy Fe users are the harshest (and most vocal) judges of others.

The moods of Fe users are particularly dependent on the moods of those around them – I.e. They will visibly and genuinely cheer up after hearing someone else’s good news.

These types advocate for keeping the peace, considering other’s points of view and accommodating loved ones.

Stacking Of Cognitive Functions By Type:

ENFP: Ne – Fi – Te – Si INFP: Fi – Ne – Si – Te INFJ: Ni – Fe – Ti – Se ENFJ: Fe – Ni – Se – Ti ISTJ: Si – Te – Fi – Ne ESTJ: Te – Si – Ne – Fi ISTP: Ti – Se – Ni – Fe ESTP: Se – Ti – Fe – Ni INTJ: Ni – Te – Fi – Se INTP: Ti – Ne – Si – Fe ENTJ: Te – Ni – Se – Fi ENTP: Ne – Ti – Fe – Si ISFJ: Si – Fe – Ti – Ne ISFP: Fi – Se – Ni – Te ESFJ: Fe – Si – Ne – Ti ESFP: Se – Fi – Te – Ni

Things to keep in mind when determining type:

-Everyone uses their extroverted function when interacting with others but if someone is an introvert, their extroverted function is not their dominant function. For example, an INTJ’s dominant function is Ni but they use Te to interact with the outside world – which may cause them to seem like an ENTJ in some social situations.

-To determine if someone is an extrovert or introvert while typing, you can use traditional methods of determining where he or she falls on the dichotomy. I.e. Look at whether they seem more energized or more drained after a few hours of social interaction (indicating extroversion and introversion respectively).

-To determine an introvert’s type, you will need to examine their dominant function as it supports their extroverted function – I.e. If someone’s dominant function is Fe but you suspect they are an introvert, you can determine if they lead with Si or Ni by turning your attention to how they support others – is it through concrete, practical methods (Si), or through gaining a thorough understanding of how the person’s mind operates (Ni)?

-If someone is an extrovert, you can determine their auxiliary function by examining what they use to back up their dominant function – I.e. If they are a dominant extroverted sensor, do they prioritize engaging with interesting new people (Indicating auxiliary Fi) or with exciting new physical challenges (Indicating auxiliary Ti)?

-Once you know someone’s dominant and auxiliary functions, their tertiary and inferior functions necessarily follow.

-In order to type someone accurately, you need to observe which cognitive functions he or she uses most consistently, across a range of different situations. Any type can call on any cognitive function if absolutely necessary – but at the end of the day, type is determined by which functions naturally and consistently provide their user with the most energy

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Can you talk more about how certain Enneagrams might enhance/detract from certain functions? I know you said you're not an expert, but I found your last post very interesting!

No.

But if you’re lucky, someone who knows something might reblog and do it.

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People get MBTI and Enneagram mixed up, it is a problem.

MBTI and enneagram are two separate personality assessments that work very well together. MBTI deals with personality and categorical understanding of how a person works, while enneagram is an assessment of a persons fears and motivations. However too often we associate a certain MBTI type with having a certain fear or motivation as a rule of the MBTI type itself when MBTI doesn’t work that way.  MBTI is about cognitive functions. I say this to you now, nothing in MBTI is true if it is not expressed with and proven by cognitive functions. A personality assessment written about a type using no function theory at all cannot be seen as accurate. That one persons perspective on a type. If we assign fears and motivations to types then, there again, we also err as functions to not really have much to do with fears or motivations.  Let’s give an example. INFPs have such a strong and inseparable association with type 4 that its getting out of hand. Many people almost define INFPs solely by what might be seen as a description of type 4. I’ve seen INFPs described as having an excruciating and life-threatening need to feel unique. I’ve seen them defined based on rhapsodical emotion that flies in the face of wisdom and rationality. I’ve seen them defined based on artistry and poeticism, and a daily need to cry their hearts out. My friends, This is not an INFP, this is am enneagram 4. 

It is true, that type 4s are by far the most common enneagram for INFPs, but it’s still only about 50-60%. Are we going to, as an MBTI community, disenfranchise 40% of INFPs? ISFPs have it even worse. Some of us also define ISFPs by type 4ish principals when the vast majority of ISFPs are, in fact, type 9s. Are we going to disenfranchise the MAJORITY of ISFPs? 

ExTJs have it bad, too. ENTJs and ESTJs are often associated with type 8s. I’m personally guilty of this one. We assign “needing to feel in control” “unabashedly headstrong” and “afraid of not being the leader” to ExTJs when that is, in fact, a type 8. Many ESTJs are types 1, 3 and 6, while many ENTJs are types 1, 3, and 7. In fact, very few ESTJs are even 8s! 

Here are some other examples: INFJs are often defined as 4′s or 2s. There are many 9 and 1 INFJs.  ENTPs are almost entirely defined as 7s. There are many type 8 and type 5 ENTPs. ISTJs are strongly defined as type 1s. There are also many type 6 and type 5 ISTJs.  ISFJs are almost entirely described as type 2′s. The majority of ISFJ are 6s. ISTPs are often defined as 5s but ,like ISFPs, most of them are 9s. ESTPs are often defined as being 7s but more of them are 8s.  INTJs are often described as a mix of 5 and 6, but some are also 1s, The goal here should be to keep the two separate. Alot of people have trouble seeing themselves in MBTI assessments colored by enneagram. For the longest time, I personally had trouble keeping up with INFP assessments, but knew for a fact i had those functions. The reason? I am not a type 4. (I’m not a type 4 first, I mean… technically I’m a 6w5 1w9 4w5) I’ve seen another INFP friend struggle between INFP and INFJ descriptions because he was a type 9.

If MBTI was strictly function based then we could see a more balanced and beneficial union of MBTI and enneagram. For you see, with MBTI, there are just 16 types. Hardly a variation that is true to the infinite complexity of human beings. However, add 9 enneagram types, wings, tritypes and instinctual variants? by my terrible math… you get 559k possible variations, however just sticking with XXXX XwX xx/xx (INFP 6w5 sx/sp) you end up with 1728 unique types of people.

Ignoring MBTI’s need for separation form enneagram we can only keep reinventing a flawed representation of 16 possible people. However if we can cleanly separate the difference between MBTI’s cognitive functions and Enneagrams traumas, fears, and motivations, then we can truly represent all of those possible variations of unique people! I think that is more than worth doing. 

~INFP-sama 

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Enneagram Type 4 Bias

What do I mean by type 4 bias? Well, it’s similar to intuitive bias but a bit less based on a sense of superiority. A bit. Hear me out here. I’m not saying that 4’s think they’re better than everyone else, this is much more meta than that.

Read any description of INFPs INFJs or ISFPs and you will see that it is very much colored by a type 4 description. Fierce need for individuality, hawkish towards authenticity and emotional depth that defies measurement are a staple of any INFJ/INFP description. However ask some type 1 INFJs what they think, ask a type 9 ISFP, ask a type 6 INFP… are they being left behind by these sorts of assumptions?

This is not to say that they’re aren’t many type 4s in this group of personalities, combine all the INFJ/INFP in the world and enneagram them you will find that about half are type 4s. However whenever we describe them all in very type 4 terms we leave behind half of all the rest. I personally don’t find that acceptable. I think that there a ways to be accurate, and ways to be graceful about it, it just takes a little extra energy, that’s all.

Why is this happening? I’m not here to point fingers, I’m going to try to be as reasonable as possible here. However, there is a certain fetishization of type 4 going on, here. Type 4s are seen as the only individuals, the only people with powerful emotions, the precious jewels of the enneagram word. I’ve seen philosophers typed as 4’s for absolutely no reason. Any character that has any sort of depth is typed as a 4. This isn’t a crime, but it is an oversimplification. We see INFJ/INFP as having depth, being emotional, and as artists. As people who automatically see patterns, we don’t even need to know what a type 4 is to categorize people as a 4. We often use terms like “individualist” or “artist” and think of all the idiosyncrasies of a 4. It just comes to us naturally. We simply underestimate our heuristics in these situations. So it’s completely reasonable that tons of people could accidentally color the descriptions in this way.

The problem with this is we ONLY see depth and individuality as a type 4 trait. Kind of similar to intuitive bias right? “Intuitives just know, sensors can’t understand.” However we all know that’s not true, so why would we accept this bias?

Type 9s are even incredibly similar to type 4s, having the same core trauma and dealing with it in a different way. “I was ignored when i was a child, i felt like no one ever saw me or cared about who i was or what i did. I felt like I wasn’t important so I… (Type 4)… decided that I would make myself someone that was deserving of being seen, I will be unique and completely authentic so that i stick out. One day someone will see me for what I truly am and love me for it! (Type 9) … decided that i was nobody and that i didn’t want to be seen. This experience taught me that other people are more important than myself, and i just want to stay away from conflict, be peaceful with everybody and blend into to the universe.” How 9 that any less deep? Type 9 is a decently common type for both INFPs and INFJs, yet type 4 colors all of their descriptions. Doesn’t that seem like a misunderstanding? We can’t just have depth = 4, guys. I mean, look: Type 6: “When i was younger, i had guidance and I felt safe, but then something happened and I lost my guidance, now I deal with a crippling insecurity that causes me to question everything (both in terms of practicality and philosophically). Only wisdom, guidance, and safety can console me.” Type 5: “When i was a child, I only felt safe in validated in my own mind. The outside world is messy and full of inconsistencies. I can only trust my thoughts and I can’t trust the world. Knowledge is the only cure to the insecurity of a terrifyingly subjective world.”

A significant and meaningful depth is in all of the enneagram types. However, type 4 has laid claim to “depth”. Let’s be accurate here, type 4 is in the image/shame/feeling quadrant, which has to do with how one wishes to appear. Type 4s like to appear deep and unique. However this complex comes from a feeling that one is not unique. Why would depth and uniqueness be claimed by a type whose insecurities stem from a fear that one is empty and not unique?

Now to take a step back, yes, type 4s are enchantingly beautiful creatures. The authenticity and focus on depth of self are a hallmark of the type. I’m just saying that in MBTI terms, Fi does not correlate to type 4 and people are constantly acting like it does. Even being that there is a small correlation between MBTI and enneagram types, we should keep the two very separate. If MBTI is completely focused on the functions and their effects on personality, and enneagram is focused strictly on trauma, fear and motivation, then we have a system that individuates extremely efficiently. However, when we have a personality system that makes assumptions about fear, trauma and motivation with functions then we have a system that conflicts with the other system.

I believe MBTI should be MBTI and enneagram should be enneagram and never the two shall meet. We have to try to make our MBTI descriptions as uncolored by enneagram as possible so that we have the greatest ability to accurately describe people using both. The more colored by enneagram MBTI descriptions are, the more people will feel left out by your description. It will certainly describe a lot of people really well, but invalidate many.

~INFP-sama (Hey guys, I’ve got a really big project coming up that involves all of us working together on something fun! Stay tuned!)