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i fear i will get eaten alive for this but i find it so odd that some people act like flipside dave just... isn't reality dave. because flipside dave did, 100%, do all of the things reality dave did and see very minimal issue in doing it until after several layers of the flipside where he realized henry wasn't just killing kids and he didn't, in fact, "have good intentions." this is emphatically said after steven has his flashback, which is right about when dave is like "alright so Maybe I Was Wrong". and under the assumption reality dave isn't flipside dave in any sense... i dunno man. it feels reductive.
yeah, reality dave did do bad things, whether he was entirely aware of the wrongness of those things or not (depends on what you're talking about -- it's kind of a grey area for a lot of things), but that's the point of him redeeming himself. that's the point of jack freeing davetrap's soul by burning the restaurant down. that's the point of jack saying "i hope you can find peace with what you've done" to dave before he leaves with blackjack. that's the point of dave getting better. he did bad things and he acted poorly to jack sometimes and with how his soul is split (on top of jack uh... ditching him for 35 years in some bid to force him to move on) his reality self is much clingier and more aggressive when pushed to its limits -- jack and dave both emphatically say that dave's reality self cannot move on from henry / jack and that's why he keeps coming back. they're still two halves of the same entity. to treat them like they aren't two halves of a whole, just under different circumstances, is ... kind of ignoring a big part of dave's arc, imo?
fundamentally if flipside dave hadn't done anything that reality dave did, what is the point of him taking accountability? what's the point of his entire talk with dee? what's the point of him having to deconstruct what he did and what henry did to him if he isn't somewhat accountable for all he did, y'know? obviously he isn't entirely consciously reality dave, but they're two parts of the same entity pushed to different extremes in different contexts. davetrap was isolated and abandoned and he is incapable of moving on properly, much as jack tries to get him to before turning to burning the restaurant down, and he's going to inevitably have a WAY harder time acknowledging that henry did anything bad because that pedestal is all he's hinging on. if henry is bad, dave coming back over and over was all for nothing, so of course he's in such vehement denial and clinging so hard to this idea.
of course he can act hostile or aggressive or creepy to jack in certain endings, his one role model was the man who watched him with cameras to study him, cut him open and took out his organs, constantly gaslit him and manipulated him into thinking he wanted everything that henry did and then ditched him. of COURSE reality dave is therefore clingy and scared of abandoment -- flipside dave expresses this same fear, getting borderline guilt-trippy when jack first says he'll leave until jack clarifies he plans to come back. it's to a far less severe degree, yeah, but it's still clearly a part of both daves. to act like reality dave should be condemned and flipside dave was just manipulated is to act like theyre not effectively the same entities in different contexts.
i dunno. you can have your headcanons and i don't want to sound mean to anyone who considers them entirely different people because that's ultimately not my territory to tread on and it hurts nobody. if you enjoy it, have fun with it! i've just always found it reductive and like it ignores kind of the point of dave needing to take accountability and be redeemed and it tends to lead to reality dave being dismissed as "all bad" and flipside dave just being traumatized and "the good one." not sayin everyone with the headcanon does it and ultimately this is just my interpretation off canon so im not the end all be all. it's just something on my mind
#this is kind of just an issue with the flipside souls in general and how they're written :(#dave & steven have all their negative traits removed except for a few vague mentions#dee is incredibly quick to forgive when she should not be (immediately forgiving dave when they mention their tragic past#and also forgiving steven right after arguing to not even bother saving him)#peter. hes really nothing!#all the souls are so awfully hyperfixated on one thing that all their other character traits were removed from them#and because dsaf 3 is the most serious of the games those characterizations are just what most of the fandom goes off of#and it sucks! it really sucks how flipside dave is deemed the good one and the good ending only after taking away all their negative traits#& disconnecting them so far from dave from dsaf 1 & 2 & davetrap that they're not even the same character :(#steven too. they just got rid of his entire thing. sure he had one character trait in dsaf 1 just like he does in dsaf 3 but#the issue is just that it's that his negative trait is removed to make space for one deemed more 'acceptable' and 'redeemable'#peter doesn't do anything other than go 'its a trapppp it's a trappppp!!!!! :(('#dee is SO quick to forgive. literally what is going on#who are these characters. actually#sorry. kind of derailed from your original post but#yeah. the disconnect between davetrap and dave soul is awful :(#it sucks that they're stuck into little boxes of good and bad and that is visible in the way they act when they're ultimately just.#the same character.#and they should be treated as and act as such
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DSaF Discord RP: Back to Beginnings
¡! DNI: Proship/Comship, Pedophiles, Incest, Terfs, Rad-Exclus, etc- !¡
Plot (Will be expanded on as the RP progresses!)
The Henry fight went awry and he managed to get away. It seems the majority of the cast is back and we're back to the beginning.
Things to Note
- THIS RP IS RUN BY MINORS
- OCs are allowed (as long as they have something to do with DSaF and can actually make sense in the realm).
- This RP is semi-serious. We aren’t going to run this like a bootcamp but there will be serious parts and of course not-so-serious parts.
- Ships are allowed (OC x Canon, Canon x Canon, and OC x OC). For OC x Canon please ask beforehand as to much sure we're okay with it. For OC x OC if the other OC isn't yours please make sure the other person is okay with it.
- This RP allows darker subjects, of course there are still limits. If you’re unsure if what you want is to dark just ask.
- This is a CLOSED RP, we have to be selective to get the types of roleplayers we’re looking for. So as much as it may suck we can’t guarantee you’ll get in
- You will need an RP example.
- If you get into the RP remember you're allowed to take breaks! We don't want you to burn yourself out and as long as you're not gone for like months and months then don't push yourself to RP if you just aren't up for it.
- Currently there are only 4 of us so if you get nervous is large servers don't worry, this is a very small server!
- Most of us do hangout outside of the RP as well! We all have are own DSaF Roblox accounts we use for fun sometimes!
Rules
- No homophobia, transphobia, racism, etc- (Lets be honest if you’re a DSaF fan you’re probably not completely straight).
- This is a 14+ RP.
- If you’re playing a canon character please play them in character (as in think about how they would react, talk, act, etc- in canon). Straying away a little is fine but please try to keep them reasonably in line with how they'd act.
- Use quotes when talking in character.
- If you have anything BIG you want to contribute to the story please talk to the group first. There are some story choices that should be agreed upon before adding them to the story.
- Please have prior RP experience.
- Your character can not be OP. Having a strong character is fine but if they’re like unkillable or unreasonably hard to injure that's overpowered. Some DSaF character have abilities of sorts and anything to falls into that category and would make sense in DSaF is fine. But you may not have straight up super powers.
- Please for the love of god if you have an OC have some even a basic story for them.
- You may not control anyone else's character(s) other than your own.
- No fucked up ships. Pedo, incest, etc- If you’re doing Child x Child dead or not treat them like children. Things like kisses on the cheek, cuddling, and hugging would make sense. But they should not have an adult relationship
- Have at least decent grammar in the RP. Spelling mistakes are completely fine but we should be able to read and understand what you’re saying. Also use full words (ie no: ikr, ik, lol, etc-)
Open Characters (You may pick more then 1)
- Steven Stevenson
- M a t t
- Harry Fitzgerald
- Jake Wilson
- Roger Jones
- Jimbo Mopson
- THE REAL FREDBEAR
- BlackJack
- Your OC or any other character I managed to forget/didn't add
Contact info if you're interest in joining or have any questions
- @goreisim on Tumblr
- @_Silentce_ on Instagram
- Silentce on Discord
#this seems really cool but i fear i may have flown too clowe to the sun (ignored dsaf 3 steven too hard)#he sucks!!!!! he sucks hes a different character in dsaf 3!!!!!! not my fualt wven!!!!!!!#maybe harry though. but ofuhghffhh steen
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Favourite ship dynamic: no one truly knows what exactly is going on between the two characters, including the characters themselves. But whatever it is, it's written in the fabric of the universe.
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she doesn't let me hit and it's all because of the stupid prophecy
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This request was sent to us and we made a poll in response to it. Send any Blorbo-related question you want to our inbox and we’ll make a poll on which people can vote with their own Blorbos in minds
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song is blorbo-coded but animatics are hard 79 dead 486 injured
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you know what. that checks out
hi. i made a uquiz
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do you ever have thoughts about your characters and it feels like being gutted but you cant tell anyone because it makes no sense since theyre your ocs
#<- hey prev. hey. hi. hello#stevens my favorite guy ever#i have many thoughts on him#<- I WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS HIM. unfortunately immm scared? so#im full of fear. and don't know how to initiate conversation#sp uhmmmmm uhhh. holding out my hand very timidly. lets talk about steven dsaf together. somehow#i'll get back to you on the how (lying. im scare)
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Being an artist is realising that you can draw your favourite character holding up spaghetti for no reason at all
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ship so good, a future where they’re safe and retired is called an au
#starry#i would say polyphones but jokes on them. they canonically get to go live their little sitcom life#losers!
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do you ever have thoughts about your characters and it feels like being gutted but you cant tell anyone because it makes no sense since theyre your ocs
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having mutuals who i think are really cool and get like. starstruck when they interact with me. is so weird. like why am i reacting like this. we’re literally both on tumblr
#axeylotl. and acid pear. and give life. and raspberry vinaigrette#safe to say im confident and DONT check every single notification i get to ensure my posts are appeasing them#trust
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