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I’ve been burning through all of @longtallglasses ‘s byler fics like crazy because they're so goddamn good, and just imagined this when Mike was having his angsty hot dream about Will in "these fatal fantasies".

Update about my life: Yep. Still ignoring my coursework✌🏼

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It's obvious, isn't it?

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In S1E1 there are two men at Bennys

Then later in S1E2 when Hopper asks about the missing kid (Will) Earl says this:

Hopper: Just you and the boys? Earl: Yep. Me and Henry and Well, there was this, uh, this kid.

Then

Earl: I didn't get a good look at him, though. He was back in the kitchen. Hopper: He look like this? Earl: Oh, no, that's, that's Lonnie's missin' kid.

In S1E5 we hear of Henry again

Powell: We tried calling, but - Hopper: Yeah, the phone's dead. Callahan: Hey, so Bev Mooney came in this morning all upset. Said that Dale and Henry went hunting yesterday and they didn't come back home.

Then

Hopper: Where did Henry and Dale go hunting? Callahan: Oh. Uh, out near Kerley. Hopper: Mirkwood.

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Ever notice how these four members of the basketball team are inverted/upside down versions of the party?

The clues are the visual similarities...

Let’s start with least to most inverted:

Patrick and Lucas

Their personalities aren’t so different, as Patrick does seem like one of the nicest members of the team. Here’s where they are opposites:

- Lucas/the Sinclairs are shown to have the healthiest family dynamics on the show. Patrick, on the other hand, has trauma from his family and seems to have an abusive dad. Lucas’ dad respects Lucas’ mother to a great degree, while Patrick’s dad is implied to be abusive towards Patrick’s mother.

- Lucas has other friends outside of the basketball team, Patrick does not.

- When Lucas disagrees with the group he’s in, he stands up against them. When Patrick disagrees, he continues to follow along.

Chance and Mike

We do not know much about Chance, but we do know a few ways he is much different than Mike.

- Chance is a follower. He just goes along with Jason, not questioning any of his decisions. Mike, on the other hand, is a leader. If Mike disagrees with a plan, he makes his opinion known.

- Popularity is likely something important to Chance, whereas Mike states he doesn’t care about that.

Andy and Dustin

Okay now huge contrasts ahead! Andy is not a nice person at all. I would say he is likely the cruellest out of the basketball team.

- Dustin and Erica continue to increase their friendship/bond. Andy, on the other hand, is so incredibly cruel to Erica that it’s hard to watch…

- Andy is overall very insensitive to others, whereas Dustin is considerate and a good friend.

- Andy (and the others) are easily tricked by Lucas. Dustin is not so easily tricked- he’s observant, often skeptical and good at critical thinking.

Jason and Will

I’ve NEVER seen these to compared before but there’s actually a lot of contrasts here!

- Jason hates DnD. He views is as satanic! Will, on the other hand, begs his friends to play with him.

- Jason is a leader, easily commanding a crowd of people. Will is a follower.

- Jason is performative… with his relationship and everything. Will is the opposite, he’s very authentic.

- Jason is quick to lash out to others when things bother him, making his problems everyone else’s problems too. Will keeps his problems all inside, not wanting to burden anyone.

- Jason does not forgive Eddie, even when confronted with evidence of Eddie’s innocent, he still refuses to let it go. Will, on the other hand, is so quick to forgive everyone… even when forgiveness isn’t necessarily deserved.

- Jason is quick to be violent when faced with a perceived threat, pulling a gun out on Lucas who isn’t even at all threatening! Will cannot even pull the trigger when faced with an actual threat.

- Jason becomes “split” into two horizontally… Will has imagery of being “split” vertically (Phineas Gage).

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Ok I'm making yet another gifset as requested by the people and was forced to rewatch the ending of ST4 and...guys lmao.

the fact that they show WillElMike

then El walking off in front of INSANELY clear pairings

Then her picking up the dead versions of the flowers Mike gave her when they reunited at the airport at the start of the season

Show determined Solo El in front of the pairs again

....only to DIRECT CUT to Byler Alone

then to Jancy getting closer in a protective way

AND THEN to Jopper PLAINLY holding hands

...only to put solo determined El in front of three couples again

And end with Mike and Will dead center of the now handholding Jancy and Jopper (+ far off solo El) for the final shot?

The Duffers could have slapped me clear across the face and it would have been more subtle than this. This is as plain cut an exegesis toward the (full) development of mlvn ending + romantic byler as you could hope for. Perfect fingerprints-on-the-gun, skin-under-the-murderer's-nails level evidence. How were people even arguing the meaning of this? Knowing how the rest of the season went?!

Show don't tell, 'a picture is worth 1000 words" and people STILL claimed naiveté girI no wonder America is falling into nonsense again people are media illiterate af

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Robert

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pushing my byler yeehaw agenda

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The Byers

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now that it's been confirmed that mike and will's relationship was always supposed to have romantic undertones this scene hits so much harder

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The subtext in ST shows Lonnie is more than just a “dead beat” dad (analysis)

In this analysis I’ll be mentioning things I’ve mentioned in prior posts. But also  new details I’ve never discussed (most of which are in relation to Jonathan with Lonnie). Essentially to show a more cohesive picture of WHY i find Lonnie so … ‘questionable’, to say the least. WARNING NOW: the new stuff will be in the “keep reading” section and could be very tr**gering-s.a, inc*st subtext, etc. Everything BEFORE the ‘keep reading’ section won’t delve into those darker aspects. Ok let’s begin

CHARACTER INTRODUCTION

How he’s introduced and discussed before we ever see him:

The very first thing we hear is: Lonnie being suspected of k*dnapping Will (by Hopper). Joyce in turn says that’s doubtful given how Lonnie treated Will and mentions how Lonnie  called Will h*mophobic slurs (later she says to him”you never cared about Will”) . After this ( in Joyce’s words) we hear her mention Lonnie is dating a “teenager” (she’s in her early 20s/almost 30 years younger).  We then have Jonathan have a flashback of hearing Joyce and Lonnie fighting on the phone-because Lonnie flaked on visiting Will. After this, Jonathan mentions how Lonnie isn’t considerate of Will’s interests and tries to force him to like things only Lonnie himself likes. And Jonathan encourages Will to ‘not like things people tell you you’re supposed to …. ESPECIALLY NOT HIM.”

his visual introduction :

We first see beer cans everywhere (a probably sign of Lonnie’s substance ab*se issues) and Jonathan rushing through the house trying to avoid even having to see his dad. He wanders down the corridor opening doors calling for Will-a similar parallel to Will wandering through the house hallway calling for Jonathan & joyce (afraid of the demorgorgon) . Later in s2 Jonathan calls for Will and his mom- and right after he discovers the mindflayer drawing. Showing a connection between the creatures and their father.

Then (at Lonnie’s)  as Jonathan wanders through the corridor-we see a figure covered in shadow rush from the side- and pin jonathan into wall (simillar to Neil). Jonathan freezes before pushing him off and yelling “get off”. Than Lonnie tries hugging him and once again Jonathan has to say a 2nd time “get off me… MAN.” We then see Jonathan scowl at Lonnie- and between the 2 is a child’s bike. Similar to the bike, Will abandoned after he ran away from the demorgorgan. We have many parallels between Lonnie & the demorgorgon.

The demogorgan in d&d means “deep father ” and nancy says its like a’ lion’. Lonnie’s name literally means ‘lion’/he’s technically a father. He also Low-key pounced on jonathan like a lion.   The demogorgan hunts a deer / attacks jonathan who was holding a bat (and Lonnie was associated with baseball, and Jonathan mentions bambi when mentioning his dad forcing him to hunt and k*ll a rabbit (similar to Brenner trying to force El to k*ll a cat). And when jonathan went to lonnie’s (before he’s pushed)- even the songs jonathan listens to while going to Lonnie reference the supernatural.I’ll discuss that in more detail in the ‘keep reading’ section.

We also have other details. Lonnie being framed next to a single lit light bulb when standing across from jonathan (like the demogorgan standing across from Will, and the lightbulb glowing-as Will uses Lonnie’s gun against the demorgorgan, similar to jonathan using a bat and nancy using lonnie’s gun against the demorgorgan) . A dog barking at Lonnie- like how chester the dog barked at the demogorgon. Even Lonnie talking to people at Will’s funeral-causes Joyce to have a flashback of Will describing lighting ‘bad guys’ on fire (something Jonathan does to the demorgorgan later in s1).Lonnie hammering into the byers wall (talking about how someone should be held accountable for what happened to Will) and it transitions to Mike stabbing a piece of paper and talking about Will getting trapped in the upsidedown.  

We also see Jonathan check the trunk for Will (which is sketch on it’s own)-but later we see the mindflayer throw people in trunks too. We also have Lonnie saying he explored around the quarry around the house & later Jonathan mentions the demorgorgan only traveled in a few miles radius around his house.

Okay now onto the really bad stuff…

So before I begin just know some of the stuff mention relates to how I believe Will created with his powers - the upsidedown/creatures, the lab/subjects,  the Russians,etc. Although most of this post is about Jonathan. Ok let’s begin…

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the detail i noticed about this two photos

so it’s the same scene. in the first photo we can see that all guys are sitting opposite their trays, except for will, who’s standing behind mike to see better the map or something. but in the second photo there are only two trays and they are opposite each other.

initially, mike and will were sitting just the two of them.

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ANYWAY

The show told us Will is God sooo…

Same scene… same shirt… same spot on the screen.

The song was CUT so the line with God matched when Max glances at the Will lookalike girl.

Absolutely 100% intentional framing.

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Will is not a morning person

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thank u amy parris for your service to the will byers society

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me when the Duffers put gay subtext in the show:

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I'm going to bawl my eyes out when we see this flashback byler nation 😭

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I think it is also worth noticing that some of these girls. Namely Holly, Sara, Jane as a child and Alice all share some similarities. All of them were shown with pigtails (making them resemble rabbits) and all of them look a lot like a certain other kid.

This is (presumably) Jonathan Byers. (as seen at the start of S1E2) All of there girls mentioned above could also count as girl versions of him. What does this mean? I'm not sure honestly. At first I thought they were all representations or manifestations of childhood innocence possibly from a time before the ab*se first took place. They could all look like Jonathan because he means a lot to Will and he idolizes him a lot or he thinks what happened to him could never happen to Jonathan.

The one thing i do find odd though is that if this is Jonathan, why is this the only photo on the radio? You'd assume that Joyce would put pictures of both her sons up there but she doesn't. Why?

hello!!

i have a thought to share with you that just hit me. a lot of people have a lot of different theories about will, sara, holly, jane, and el. some of them think holly and jane are the same person, some people think will and sara are the same because the lab messed with hopper's memories, and then you think el is an extension of will and they're really the same person.

is it possibly that they're all the same person? especially since holly doesn't seem to exist until after will's disappearance, and that's around the same time el pops into existence, and baby el aka jane looks just like holly, who looks a lot like sara.

i'm just thinking about how sara was hopper's kid, and now will is going to be hopper's kid by jopper, and el aka jane is hopper's kid by adoption, and holly has a weird track record of not existing as well as her having a really close connection to the supernatural, specifically the lights in the byers house and will's room.

i'm excited to hear what you think about their connections!

Hey anon!!! I appreciate that you want my perspective. :)

So yes I am very much of the mindset that Will created El as in: she is an "alter" of his. She's the "gatekeeper alter". She's in charge of the gate, and in charge of memories. She emerged right when he needed her to protect him.

I feel like Holly may also be another alter too... one of the child alters. It may also be possible that Erica is another alter too... Lets just say that if Dustin suddenly has a sister in ST5 then I'd be VERY suspicious.

What I am *starting* to speculate, however, is that there was a real Jane/Sarah. Will's "lost sister".

Remember all the allusions to Joyce's previous mental health issues? I'm quite positive she's already been through another child's disappearance... yet that child disappeared from her memory too. This child (likely) being Hopper's daughter.

I think that part of Will's trauma is losing his sister. He has survivor's guilt, just like we see from Hopper, Max, and Fred. It's a reoccurring theme.

He blames himself for her death... but his memories of her are deeply repressed.

I think these memories are subtly coming to light each time we see another sister emerge. Lets count how many! (I'm only excluding Nancy here because she was there since the very beginning)

Holly was not seen nor mentioned until after Will disappeared. Interesting...

Erica only appeared after season 1. No mention of her prior to that.

In ST2, El discovers she has a "lost sister", Kali.

We see the moment where Billy meets Max for the first time, his new step sister.

El becomes Will's sister after Hopper "dies".

When Fred is under Vecna's curse, a young girl (likely his sister) appears and shouts "murderer!"

In ST4 we see Henry's sister Alice.

Patty appears in TFS as Bob's adopted sister. No mention of her prior to the play.

I'm probably missing some too...

Something is going on with all the sisters here.

Then of course, the disappearance of sisters too!

Kali. No mention of her again.

Alice. What happened to her?

El during ST4.

Max.

Fred's sister (I'm assuming).

Patty... again... what happened to her?

and now (likely): Holly.